My opinion of the site and forums as a newcomer

[TS | Crazyace]

I agree, but I disagree.

I would say it in a polite manner, but thats just me, not the rest of the world.

Why should you tell someone how to express themself? It's not about demoarlizing the website, it's just about saying what you want.

Why should people always have to be politically correct and say things polite? What if they are angry, their emotions are taking control, and they might not be polite. This type of behavior is obviously not cool for regular audiances, but for a forum controlled for by age, it would be ok. Mabey someone needs to let out some steam from time to time, I know I do.

 

[Phantasm66]

I would put forward the notion that there is a big difference between being politically incorrect, and being vulgar.

There is enough vulgarity on the internet as it is. Just take a look at the XXX spam you get thrust into your mailbox on a regular basis.

Above all, I see 3DS as a place for intelligent discussion. That that discussion be marred by vulgarity is quite frankly distasteful and distressing.

 

[uncleel]

Originally posted by Phantasm66
between being politically incorrect, and being vulgar.

Tact: the art of describing to someone of their impending visit to Hades in such a manner that they anticipate the trip.

 

[Ai Hate]

Originally posted by 3DS Crazyace
What if they are angry, their emotions are taking control,

there you have it. the problem. when people get angry, they tend to lose control, and it'll make the forum out of control.

ok, so you and some members would express their thoughts in a polite manner, but how about some others?
and how should we label the forum? "You can express your feelings FREELY here"? then some people'll come in and start #&%()@#&. and then there'll be a debate about free speech and everything again (as it happened to Gen. Disc.)

but what if we limit the age of who can enter? what if a kid cheats (cause he/she want to know why it's a restricted area for kids)? parent notification? i'll just apply for another e-mail at hotmail and use it as my (fake) parent's. easy.
i think it'll be really hard to keep things in control.

.02

 

[henderrob]

Site is a terrific aid for me

I'm going to try this patch I got off the home page of 3DSpotlight because I get an intermittent error report but wrote it off to having Linux, XP, and Win98 on the same disk.


Windows XP Patch: System Recovery Error Appears After Every Reboot
by Thomas @ 8:12 AM - [Comments]
Microsoft has released a patch that addresses the "System has recovered from a serious error" issue in Windows XP, & is discussed in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) Article Q317277. Download now to prevent this message from occurring each time the machine boots.

System Requirements
Windows XP Home Edition & Professional

Download Now
Q317277_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe - 2,932 Kb

 

[TS | Thomas]

If you want freedom of speech online then go pay for your own server to post it on, heh.

Other than that my thoughts are that no-one






Thanks for listening.

 

[farmer]

I was gonna start a thread but I beleave my thoughts fit here. 3DS is for me a great site to visit. I'm newly registered but have been comming here for over a year. A lot of the tweak guides have been of great help and being new to this stuff I don't need to hear a lot of ranting and get flamed for questions asked. As far as the language thing, with this tech stuff sometimes you just can't help but let it rip but I knew when I signed on what the rules were and I accepted them and will abide by them. On another note I hope you run another tweak guide for nVidia cards now that nvmax is out of business.

 

[TS | Thomas]

Originally posted by farmer
On another note I hope you run another tweak guide for nVidia cards now that nvmax is out of business.

I know, that's terribly annoying to me. I plan to do one minor enough update soon to the guide for that final version then I'll get looking for another utility.

I don't really like the others that much though. One doesn't work with all the drivers & I think another has crud 2000/XP support.

NVmax should be just fine though for several months anyway. Hopefully someone will keep the original going since they released the source

 

[farmer]

This reply comes after much thought. Just 2 days ago My idea of this forum was a place to go when you needed help or could offer help and no one on this site judged you because you were new, but after a post I made last night my opinion has changed to one of disappointment. 3DSThomas, you seem to be a class act. You came back with an answer to me when you didn't have too and you treated me as an equal. Uncleel, you don't even come close. It's like, how dare you!! I have a Dell system, an OEM system. Does this prohibit me from being a member on this site? I would guess a large number of your members don't have custom rigs. can they not have questions and expect an answer without being made to feel beneath you? This will probably get edited but I think the staff needs feedback from members even if they are new!!

 

[uncleel]

Your entitled to your opinion but I think you've gone way overboard on your personal asumptions. Your post in question is here.
--> GF4 Ti & Power Supply question http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1033 & I was 1st to reply w/ an answer, info, & links.

My 2nd post (separated from the 1st on purpose) can either be taken as humorous or factual; "actually" comparing the psu's from machines that come w/ Gef4's as standard, was my intention.

A PSU is as important, if not more so, than any other component in your system.

But since you brought the subject (assumption) up, the truth is, many a "named" systems do short for their profit margin. Many a person has learned, usually from their kids, that the named systems you buy has limitations. I bet your system will be custom. I learned the hard way myself.

 

[Phantasm66]

Originally posted by farmer
This will probably get edited but I think the staff needs feedback from members even if they are new!!

You won't get edited just for disagreeing with someone by me.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion here. Its the manner of the expression of that opinion that determines whether something gets axed or not.

I.e.:

I disagree with you and think you are wrong because... blah, blah, blah, is fine.

Not:

Man you are a total @:!:"@£:S:X:?EWL. Get yourself to :SLDLDNC*(£$*$($($$....

I like to think of 3DS as a democratic organisation. Everyone is entitled to a say and I am shocked that you perhaps thought that you would get deleted just for disagreeing with someone.

 

[SuperCheetah]

I think you've taken your opinion of uncleel a little far farmer. I read the same thread and I think he was just joking in all honesty. Uncleel is well-respected around here, and I don't believe he would intentionally put someone down (especially for having a Dell). There is nothing wrong with your current system, Uncleel was only suggesting that you try and build your next system because alot of the big companies short change you on what you get, and the system is not overclockable at all. Granted, alot of us built our own systems so we know the big differences between home built and store bought. My two roomates both got their machines from the store and they have parts that are really hindering their systems (i.e. built in video and audio, no room for expansion, etc.).

I personally came extremely close to buying a Dell computer myself before decided to build my own so I know where your coming from. Dell makes good computers, but alot of the members here are hardcore gamers and look to sqeeze every FPS they can out of their systems. This can only be done by building their system part by part. The great thing about building your own system is that you can get the best of all the different parts in your system. For example, I have a Enermax Whisper 350W PSU, Athlon 1.4, 512 Crucial DDR, 2 60GB IBM Deskstars, GeForce 2 Pro, Creative Audigy X-Gamer, NetGear NIC FA312, 19" monitor, etc. etc. and I only paid around 1200 dollars for it. I tried to build a system similar to it at Dell and Micron and at both sites it cost me over 1700 dollars! So the best perk is that you can save lots of money by building your own system also, provided you want to take the risk.

I hope you stick around the 3DS forums and understand that no harm was meant by Uncleel's comments, as he posted earlier.

 

[Phantasm66]

Originally posted by Phantasm66


You won't get edited just for disagreeing with someone by me.

Now, if you post something that I do not like, you might certainly get an argument out of me, telling you exactly why. But I would not dream of deleting your post on the spot simply because I didn't like its tone or I thought that you were wrong in your opinions about some matter.

 

[uncleel]

You sure can't disagree w/ the info you recieved, it was sound!
Just don't get to personal I'm not that kind of guy

As a matter of fact I've recommended Dell, Gateway & Micron to family members because it suits their needs ( & I'm not around to help) plus the warranty factor. I also did not recommend one to a close friend because on on-board vid would not suit his family needs,especially 10-12 yr olds playing online.

By the same token I vehemently disagreed w/ my office's decision to buy our most recent (5) computers from Compaq (lowest bid) however the business manager liked the "pretty colors." We have a PC maintenance contract now so don't have to worry about any repairs. Sure enough they were there fri. night, replacing the 2nd motherboard to fail in 3 months.

 

[Ai Hate]

l33t 5p34k...

Originally posted by Uncleel:
Many n00bZ were blaming Athlon instability for post problems, system crashes, random crashes/lockups, when in fact they failed to heed (or read) AMD's power supply requirements.

maybe that "n00bZ" word is the problem. not too many people would like to be refered to as a n00bZ, especially spelled like that.
i understand that you have no intention of referring to farmer, but it could be thought so...

farmer asked about PSUs...
you say "n00bZ failed to heed AMD's power supply reuirements"...

maybe you should try to use other words... or at least not l33t spelled... since it may offend the more serious readers...
cause honestly, it did bug me too, when i was new. sometimes, i didn't know which one is a joke and which isn't, because of my unfamiliarity with the western culture/jokes and you didn't put " " in the end.

 

[Rick]

Originally posted by uncleel
it is blaspheme to infer that "freedom of speech" means some n00bie d00d has the right to say "XXX" on a public forum.

Sounds kind of hypocritical in a way.. Who are you to choose who gets to say what according the constitution of the U.S in an International forum?

All in all, this isn't about free speech though. This is not a governement operated/owned website. This is a privately run operation and whatever the rules, they are final and undeniably clear.

I'm all for free speech. I would like to be able to use whatever language I please, but we are trying to keep the forums respectable and "safe" for the viewing audience. Granted, "safe" and "respectable" are open to interpretation... By general standards, however, I believe it is widely accepted that vulgarity is indeed vulgar, rude and inappropriate.

Just as a side note, I do not take any offense to vulgarity itself. I personally don't see what makes things like "crap" acceptable when other alternatives are not.. But so is the spiral of life.

The point is, we are just trying to keep this place clean so it is sensible, useful and on topic for the most part.

 

[uncleel]

In the history of 3DS, the worst offenders have always claimed they have a "right" to Freedom of Speech. None can explain the meaning of this Constitutional protected right & how it allows them to use of profanity. None can explain why they agreed to 3DS's terms of service, yet they alone are exempt from the rules.
I consider these persons ignorant, rude, immature, & uncaring for the feelings & sensibilities of others.

Years ago I stopped & walked out of my sales presentation when a dept. head we were pitching to started using profanity. This was his habit, I suppose, to intimidate people & cut to the bottom line. Later one of their "higher ups" apologetically called our office & asked us to return, thinking they had upset a religious conviction.

I declined & explained it wasn't a religious reason. It was logic. This person as a representative of their company, would indicate they could not or would not comprehend the sevice package we were offering, therefore the cost was irrelevant. The sale was a waste of time.

Within five years that company closed. :dead:

 

[StormBringer]

Rights as dictated by the Constitution of the US are only good until you use that right to infringe upon someone elses right. Profanity is considered to be an infringement upon someone's rights. Which has little bearing anyway because as has already been said, this is a private run site that has rules and they have to be followed.

 

[Phantasm66]

I am kind of a getting a little sick of this particular argument, however in my book:

Don't come on here and use sexual swear words, post adults only content, XXX, nazi, racist, etc....

I can live with "damn" "hell" and "crap" - I've heard this words on BBC morning news and seen some of them posted on the main 3DS page...

We all know the kinds of things that are just plain not acceptable to anyone here. A mature and sensible mind should be all that it takes to work that out.

Whilst in the past some editing here has, in my opinion, got somewhat out of hand, as a moderator I can assure you that many times have members posted using language and imagery that is just plain offensive and / or unsuitable for minors.

Keep it PG. (Or at a push 15 cert). That's all I ask. No one is asking you to be all "golly gee!" and "gosh!" but keep the sexual swear words and four letter words and explicit references for somewhere else.....

 

[TS | Crazyace]

I agree that the site does have it's rules and they must be followed. If you dont like the rules, there are many other forums to swear in. Hey, even I don't agree with all the rules, but it is a privatly owned site. Heck, if I owned a site you would have to be 18 just to read the first page! hehehe.. But that's just me...

 

[Rick]

Heck, if I owned a site you would have to be 18 just to read the first page! hehehe.. But that's just me... [/B]

Gee golly willikers.. You must be an awfully rude man, gosh darn it!

 

[Phantasm66]

Originally posted by Rick


Gee golly willikers.. You must be an awfully rude man, gosh darn it!

Golly!

Hehehe Rick that sounds like a line from "The Wizard of Oz"!

Did you know Judy Garland was a drug addict and an alcoholic??