Need advice for gaming notebook

[johnnydoe]

A heavily OC'ed Core 2 Quad is NOT a bottleneck for the RTS's he's looking to play... such as League of Legends, which scales VERY well over 4 cores.

And that article you posted is complete and utter nonsense.

Do a SuperPi 1M test on a 2.5 Ghz Ivy, then on a 4 Ghz E8400. The Ivy would do a 15 sec or so while the E8400 will get a 12-14 sec, which just goes to show that that article is bull.

 

[Jad Chaar]

Look, we have different opinions, I will keep it at that. But 1 last though:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=551

Final nail in the coffin, the i7 doubles the core 2 quad 9650 in 3Dmark:
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX9650/review
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel Core i7-3770K Processor/review

In b4 "That benchmark is complete bull"

Good day sir!
I said good day! (lol)

 

[johnnydoe]

3DMark is a completely threaded benchmark that EXTREMELY heavily relies on CORE count and nothing else.

An i7 920 with a wimpy 9800 GTX will get 25.000 in 3DM06 once OC'ed.

Now go ahead and couple an OC'ed E8600 with a pair of GTX 285 SLi and it will BARELY get 20.000 marks.

Now you tell me which one would perform better in reality.

In the majority of games, a 4 Ghz Core 2 Quad can and WILL beat down a slow *** 2.5 Ghz i7, and no amount of pointless YouTube vids you throw at is going to change that.

 

[cloudstrifevii]

Thanks guys for taking the time to help me, however I am now more confused than I was before posting my original message.

 

[Jad Chaar]

3DMark is a completely threaded benchmark that EXTREMELY heavily relies on CORE count and nothing else.

An i7 920 with a wimpy 9800 GTX will get 25.000 in 3DM06 once OC'ed.

Now go ahead and couple an OC'ed E8600 with a pair of GTX 285 SLi and it will BARELY get 20.000 marks.

Now you tell me which one would perform better in reality.

In the majority of games, a 4 Ghz Core 2 Quad can and WILL beat down a slow *** 2.5 Ghz i7, and no amount of pointless YouTube vids you throw at is going to change that.

Cool, dont face the facts.

Thanks guys for taking the time to help me, however I am now more confused than I was before posting my original message.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[johnnydoe]

Cool, dont face the facts.

What fact? 3DMark is a COMPLETELY unrealistic and stupid benchmark. And they aren't even making the combination WE are making here. What gives?

Let's see... time to put this to an end.

http://www.wprime.net/Scores/10854/View

i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz 17.528sec

http://www.wprime.net/Scores/3541/View

Q9650 4005.3 MHz 9.595sec

LOL.

 

[dividebyzero]

What fact? 3DMark is a COMPLETELY unrealistic and stupid benchmark. And they aren't even making the combination WE are making here. What gives?

Unless you spend all your time running benchmarks, then any singular benchmark is unrealistic.
The issue is what applications you use, and the coding ISA being used now, and more importantly, going forward. As AVX and FMA gain traction, the older C2D/C2Q start to look less and less attractive. An example is Cinema 4D, although you could likely add many of the encode/transcode utilities that are in everyday use that are increasing turning to better vectorization.

 

[johnnydoe]

At any decent game from the last 5 years that scales well over 4 cores a 4 Ghz Yorkfield is going to blow the crap out of a 2.5 Ghz, watered down Ivy.

It's almost twice the clock speed difference, and far more raw power. Even with the slow arse i7's Turbo's FULL on, it STILL can't keep up with a 4 Ghz Yorky. The difference between them is so giant it just can not.

The 3770K I have barely does a 11 sec SuperPi 1M at stock 3.5 with it's Turbo at 3.9

That ancient E8600 at 4.5 I had used to easily pull a 10.50 sec on single thread.

Yes, the Ivy scales much better on newer instructions but it STILL IS NOT enough to be up for. Like NOWHERE enough to make up for. Just look into the difference in Wprime and do the thinking. And WPrime scales over 8 cores. EVEN with the help of HT, the 2.5 Ghz Ivy STILL gets spanked by a 4 core Yorky of 4 Ghz. So the superior IPC of Ivy clearly IS NOT enough to make up for a giant 1.5 Ghz of difference.

 

[tipstir]

Don't need a workstation laptop that's over doing it..

 

[johnnydoe]

Yeah but it's A LOT of notebook for the money.

Well really, she can't go wrong either way though I too also honestly suggest saving up.

OP, save up and get a modern notebook if you aren't going to tweak the crap out of that Precision M6400.

 

[Jad Chaar]

Yeah but it's A LOT of notebook for the money.

Well really, she can't go wrong either way though I too also honestly suggest saving up.

OP, save up and get a modern notebook if you aren't going to tweak the crap out of that Precision M6400.

Everyone is disagreeing with you, I cant find a decent benchmark since the CPU you think is "amazing", is really garbage.

 

[dividebyzero]

UNKNOWN9122
I really wouldn't bother too much. Whatever you find, ol' johnny is going to find some way of dismissing...for some reason.
Any analysis of the two microarchitectures is going to dismiss the C2Q almost instantly, from a refinement of design, chipset feature set, power/battery life and heat production, and ageing of the entire system. You could point out modern (useful) applications as I did, benchmark suites such as Passmark or Futuremark, but some people just aren't interested- which is a bit of a shame when you take into account we're here to help the OP, and not push an agenda- or try to force a set of parameters (increased price, ludicrous overclocking fixations) which the OP evinced absolutely no interest in.

Just as an aside PCMark Vantage: Core i3 2100 w/ stock Intel HSF (5% overclock) : 8065.......Intel C2E QX9650 w/stock cooling (4.2GHz, 40% overclock): 7696
An idea of what kind of person you're dealing with is the "I AM" fixation johnny exhibited in this thread - I did attempt to inject some opportunity for self-reflection in post #91, but I suspect the subtlety eluded our resident self-promoter

 

[Jad Chaar]

UNKNOWN9122
I really wouldn't bother too much. Whatever you find, ol' johnny is going to find some way of dismissing...for some reason.
Any analysis of the two microarchitectures is going to dismiss the C2Q almost instantly, from a refinement of design, chipset feature set, power/battery life and heat production, and ageing of the entire system. You could point out modern (useful) applications as I did, benchmark suites such as Passmark or Futuremark, but some people just aren't interested- which is a bit of a shame when you take into account we're here to help the OP, and not push an agenda- or try to force a set of parameters (increased price, ludicrous overclocking fixations) which the OP evinced absolutely no interest in.

Just as an aside PCMark Vantage: Core i3 2100 w/ stock Intel HSF (5% overclock) : 8065.......Intel C2E QX9650 w/stock cooling (4.2GHz, 40% overclock): 7696
An idea of what kind of person you're dealing with is the "I AM" fixation johnny exhibited in this thread - I did attempt to inject some opportunity for self-reflection in post #91, but I suspect the subtlety eluded our resident self-promoter

Finally someone agrees with me here (y). Well done.

 

[cloudstrifevii]

Is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 any good ?

 

[Jad Chaar]

Is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 any good ?

Yes, great product. The only downside as I said before is the HDD, but it is fine for your budget., if you wanted to in the future, you could add in another 650M for SLI or another fan for better cooling. That is a new feature with the Y500.

 

[MrBlkfx1]

Lol. dividebyzero always puts the crazies to rest.

 

[Jad Chaar]

That is why he has a pirate sign in his pic lol. (really from a food show, forgot its name though).

 

[jackgre52565816]

Hi I'm a computer mad head so I've looked at the link the dell xps is good but the core proccessor is appuling all it can play is pcman you should look foor something with a higer core proccesor then it will help the game play smoothly also you need to check the video card drivers as some games need at least a good video card driver also I advise not getting windows 8 or gaming unless you are getting a windows 8 gmaing computer

 

[bajinglumpat]

I5 is enough. Don't go i7. Also, don't go with premium brands like VAIO or alienware. Honestly it aint worth it. I rather go with something $700 laptop and buy another one after a year rather than keep the same gaming laptop for years. They usually would overheat after 2 years or so

 

[Jad Chaar]

Alienware is best choice.

Not at all... those are just for fanboys and people who don't know what a true gaming computer is. You can easily go to iBuyPower, Origin PC, or Sager just to name a few which will get you better value and performance.