Netflix CEO calls its 75% stock crash "horrifying," defends Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais

[nnguy2]

is pretty nice, not wrapping yourself in marxist race propaganda and constant gender confusion. When you can just call a spade a spade you dont feel nearly as stressed.

Of course there's this group of really loud twitter addicts who keep screaming at me that I'm literally the worst thing on earth since I dont subscribe to their ideology, and for some reason they keep trying to get me fired from my job. Dont know why they're so scared.

Not sure you understand what Marxism is but ok?

If gay marriage and transgenders bothers you that much don't marry a gay person. How fragile are you that a transgendered person is a threat to your existence?

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Not sure you understand what Marxism is but ok?

If gay marriage and transgenders bothers you that much don't marry a gay person. How fragile are you that a transgendered person is a threat to your existence?

IDK why does being called a man cause you to go into 41 tweet long rants?

 

[nnguy2]

IDK why does being called a man cause you to go into 41 tweet long rants?

My replies have been 3 sentences or less. You seem to be the one going on multi paragraph rants

 

[MasterMace]

Jacking the subscription fees up lost them subscribers, and the stock market is reflecting those losses.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Jacking the subscription fees up lost them subscribers, and the stock market is reflecting those losses.

That's really all it is. I still dont get how netflix can justify their price. For literally half the price per month for 4k netflix you can get 4k streaming on amazon prime AND free shipping on amazon products. Does netflix think they're on tier with hulu live TV + disney+ combined?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I am not saying that this obsession with defending transphobic comedians (Although nowadays, you´ll be hard pressed to find *any* comedians that aren't outright blatant hateful bigots) is directly linked to their stock crashing, but this obsession with freezed peach posturing is a huge indicative of when executives have just given up on even trying to come back from it and just start laying the ground to blame all their terrible decisions and quite honestly, lack of any culpability in the matter (As the main reason for their struggle is being strangled out of content by giants like Amazon and Disney from consolidation of media and properties going on since before digital streaming was even a thing decades ago) And just try to muster some measure of sympathy by making it a culture war.

You could have just you know, invested your money on some other comedians, maybe not even comedy specials at all just more of the shows people already liked and wanted more of you guys didn't *HAVE* to keep writing Chappelle and Gervais blank checks I promise you it is not a freezed peach issue no matter how much you want to make it one, you're not all that important in the grand scheme of things.

EDIT: I mean just read this thread: Most of the usual suspects are already accusing Netflix of "prioritizing woke propaganda" so they're not going to take you back because you fired a trans employee just to keep the Chappelle special available and well, now the 'woke' crowd that was even there at all (Most self respecting leftists left when you got as close as legally possible as putting child pornography on your service anyway) also hates your guys and hope you go bankrupt.

So you're dying on this hill of free speech for nothing: The freezed peach warriors don't believe you, the woke crowd still hates your guts for platforming transphobia, you might as well just let someone half way competent take over the entire company at this point all this will do is accelerate the free fall of your stock value.

Transphobia? More like transgenderism = mental illness.

 

[Endymio]

Local factories.... what are those again? Oh wait, aren't those the things that gave people jobs that the capitalists closed because it was cheaper to import everything from China?

In 1960, nearly 50% of all the manufactured goods on the planet were produced in the USA -- despite a labor wage gap between the US and China that was even larger than it is today. Then came the onslaught of federal environmental regulations, federal safety regulations, along with a new era of million-dollar, one-hundred-million dollar, and even billion-dollar tort awards, often for the most absurd of claims. Oh, and a corporate tax rate that quickly grew to the second highest in the world.

Don't blame businesses for being unable to operate in a virulently hostile anti-business environment.

 

[cuerdc]

Their own greed raising prices £15.99 p/m is way overpriced for premium, I do subscribe but cheaper via another country this month £3.78 for premium even at that its close to being cancelled as rarely use it.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Their own greed raising prices £15.99 p/m is way overpriced for premium, I do subscribe but cheaper via another country this month £3.78 for premium even at that its close to being cancelled as rarely use it.

I wonder how many thousand/millions of subs will cancel as netflix cracks down on this type of behavior, going after those who buy cheap accounts from other countries or share between multiple families.

 

[Superconductor]

Woke Broke motivates some predictable behavior ...

 

[trparky]

sarcasm follows :I feel sorry for the anti-woke crowd.

It's not so much as I'm anti-woke, I just want a good story. Is that so much to ask for these days? Apparently, yes; that is an issue.

Take for instance, Star Trek or what some people refer to as NuTrek. Many people, including myself, see it as woke because they bring in modern day politics when it has no business being in that show. Now, if it advanced the plot then great. But it doesn't. It's only there to preach and that right there is the wokeness. Again, we just want good stories that take us out of this miserable world we live in and allow us to escape into something better.

It always has been. Look no further then coca cola or BMW with their pride logos, juxtaposed against their 30's german logos. Corporations will join any ideological bandwagon if there is money to be made.

Yep, that right there is the problem. I'm cynical enough to see right through the corporate bullsh*t. Hey millennials... here's a tip! Companies don't care about you! Get over it.

 

[trparky]

If gay marriage and transgenders bothers you that much don't marry a gay person. How fragile are you that a transgendered person is a threat to your existence?

I have no problems with gay people getting married. My position has always been "you do you". The cynical bastard in me says that gay people should be allowed to get married that way they too can experience the hell that is marriage. Equal opportunity here folks.

As for transgender people, this is where I draw the line. Many people are being labeled as transgender for some really stupid reasons. For instance, Little Johnny likes to play with dolls. Big deal! That doesn't make him a girl. Or let's take the situation where a girl dresses up as a boy, we used to call them Tom Boys, yet nobody seemed to have a problem with this in past decades. It's only now that somehow people have to adhere to some kind of ridged gender roles.

Heck, it used to be that only women cooked, and men were bumbling idi0ts in the kitchen. What would you say to the thousands of men in the world who are world class chefs? Would you call them a woman? Nope. I bet you if you did, you'd be sh*ting your teeth out for days.

 

[Endymio]

Take for instance, Star Trek or what some people refer to as NuTrek. Many people, including myself, see it as woke because they bring in modern day politics when it has no business being in that show. Now, if it advanced the plot then great. But it doesn't. It's only there to preach

That's it exactly. Many if not most of my most cherished books and films have themes and messages with which I vehemently disagree. They're subordinate to the story itself, however, and don't overwhelm it.

Your average Netflix show, though just preaches to you. And does so stridently and angrily.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

I cancelled after 8 years this weekend. Was watching the Micheal Myers series and in a later episode, the whole thing was about old white men and it went all woke about race.

I don’t want that crap in my entertainment, it seems like it’s in everything now. Even Star Trek Discovery is nothing about trying to figure out what your sex identity is.

 

[wiyosaya]

It's not so much as I'm anti-woke, I just want a good story. Is that so much to ask for these days? Apparently, yes; that is an issue.

Take for instance, Star Trek or what some people refer to as NuTrek. Many people, including myself, see it as woke because they bring in modern day politics when it has no business being in that show. Now, if it advanced the plot then great. But it doesn't. It's only there to preach and that right there is the wokeness. Again, we just want good stories that take us out of this miserable world we live in and allow us to escape into something better.

Personally, I find the stories of ST: Discovery excellent. Assuming that is what you are calling NuTrek.

Douglas Anders: Science fiction is an existential metaphor that allows us to tell stories about the human condition. Isaac Asimov once said, "Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinded critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction, its essence, has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all."

Maybe those who don't like it don't like seeing a truth behind what they see in reflection.

Personally, I think Trek has reflected the issues of the day, including the political ones, since the very first day that ST: TOS went on the air.

Good fiction, IMO, makes one think - whether one likes to think those thoughts or not. Good fiction, science fiction or otherwise, is like art. Some like it, some don't. Everyone has a choice as to whether they want to view any artwork, and no one is forcing anyone to watch anything.

Netflix will survive. The loss of subscribers will abate. No streaming service, no business at all, in fact, can sustain unbridled growth due to market saturation. Only a complete fool would expect otherwise.

 

[trparky]

Personally, I find the stories of ST: Discovery excellent. Assuming that is what you are calling NuTrek.

Nope. ST: Discovery is a direct antithesis to what Gene Roddenberry portrayed in Star Trek. He envisioned a utopian society in which people just get along, work together in absolute harmony. A society that is better than the absolute sh*t that we have today. That is what Star Trek is all about.

STD has stories in which you have people putting people down because they're either the wrong gender, the wrong color, the wrong... whatever. That is not what Gene set forth to create. That is not the utopian society the Gene wanted for all of humanity to aspire to be and create.

 

[trparky]

Star Trek: The Next Generation is the height of what Gene wanted for all of humanity to aspire to be. Being able to look past the fact that someone is this or that, came from this world or that world, or what have you. None of that is in today's Star Trek.

 

[trparky]

Personally, I think Trek has reflected the issues of the day, including the political ones, since the very first day that ST: TOS went on the air.

That may be so, but he had the genius to be able to weave it so carefully into the storyline so as to not make it seem so in-your-face like so much of what is made today. It comes down to being woke for the sake of being woke.

I have absolutely no issues with bringing in societal issues into play but it must be able to advance the plot. Two absolute great examples of this come from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes titled "Past Tense" (3x11 and 3x12) along with 7x15 "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang".

I dare you to go back and watch those episodes and then come back and tell me that that wasn't pure genius. Face it, the writing of today's Star Trek is garbage when compared to the absolute genius that was classic Trek.

 

[Sathi43]

Local factories.... what are those again? Oh wait, aren't those the things that gave people jobs that the capitalists closed because it was cheaper to import everything from China? I'm pretty sure that I heard of those in history books...

There's no nobility in poverty

 

[Avro Arrow]

More rich people expecting people to feel sorry for them. Yeah, like that's going to happen.

 

[yeeeeman]

It's reality, what his company is actually worth, not these overinflated ludicrous figures that all the big corporations have.

 

[wiyosaya]

Star Trek: The Next Generation is the height of what Gene wanted for all of humanity to aspire to be. Being able to look past the fact that someone is this or that, came from this world or that world, or what have you. None of that is in today's Star Trek.

I'm sorry you don't see that in the newer Trek. The truth is, it is because there are people out there that so much want to dictate to others what those others should be that they are unable to see beyond what is portrayed on the screen.

Homosexuality, people of different colors, religions, political leanings, all of it, has been around for millennia. None of it is going away because some people are unable to tolerate it or its portrayal in modern literature.

Love is love however its portrayed, and I think it unfortunate that there are those who are unable to see that on the screen just because its between two people of the same sex.

I have absolutely no issues with bringing in societal issues into play but it must be able to advance the plot. Two absolute great examples of this come from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes titled "Past Tense" (3x11 and 3x12) along with 7x15 "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang".

You picked my least favorite of the Trek series. I don't agree.

I dare you to go back and watch those episodes and then come back and tell me that that wasn't pure genius. Face it, the writing of today's Star Trek is garbage when compared to the absolute genius that was classic Trek.

The way I see it, Anson Mount portrays Captain Pike far better than Shatner portrayed Kirk, and Ethan Peck puts more humanity into Spock than Leonard Nemoy every put into the character. In fact, the original TOS writers never put much at all into the humanity of Spock. It's only in Discovery and, I suspect Strange New Worlds, where Spock is given the deserved character development. Spock is, and always has been, a deeper character, and not much in the way of character development was ever payed to him in TOS.

Truth is, I think that people don't like the newer Trek because they don't want to face the fact that it portrays humanity much more accurately. And these side stories, which recognize that not everyone is like everyone else and that not being normal is an aspect of humanity that often propels it forward.

If you want to call that portrayal "in your face" and "woke for the sake of being woke" so be it. However, I suspect that there are large number of fans out there (given the fact that Paramount+ has repeatedly renewed Discovery) who identify with it and feel as if "people like me" are finally being represented on screen. Put yourself in their place. No one is asking you to be what you are not, rather, have some empathy and understand what it is like to not be part of the "normal" crowd where you have to pretend to be something you are not to be acceptable to the "normal" crowd. I suspect that you rarely, if ever, feared for your life because you were different, faced the prospect of incarceration because you were different, being denied jobs if you were different, and so on. And if you call the portrayal of so many different types of people in a fictional series anything but genius, I disagree.

IMO, the way the modern trek stories are woven is pure genius.

No one expects that you should live your life according to fictional stories. They are fiction. Lighten up.

As I said before, no one is forcing you to watch them. If you don't like them, don't watch them. Perhaps you are disappointed that they are not what you would like. That's unfortunate, however, most of us experience entertainment we don't like in our life.

Perhaps what these new series are daring people to be is tolerant. IMO, the world would be a much better place if there were more tolerance of people not like ourselves.

 

[wiyosaya]

There's no nobility in poverty

How do you know the chosen ones? No greater love hath a man, than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame, but for one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

Sebastian - Babylon 5 Season 2, episode "Comes the Inquisitor"

 

[wiyosaya]

That's really all it is. I still dont get how netflix can justify their price. For literally half the price per month for 4k netflix you can get 4k streaming on amazon prime AND free shipping on amazon products. Does netflix think they're on tier with hulu live TV + disney+ combined?

IMO, that is the pay less for more crap argument - just like when I dropped Dish Network at $85/mo for 500 channels of crap on the TV when I only chose to regulary view about 5, plus local stations I could get for free over the air.

Personally, the combo of Hulu live + Disney + ESPN is just not for me. There's not much I find interesting, and I avoid where possible, buying from Amazon especially when other retailers offer free shipping will less attached strings and better service as well as no crap interspersed in search results just waiting for someone to click on them and not get what they want.

 

[maxxcool7421]

White male telling jokes about straight white males = good clean fun.
Black male telling jokes about gay black males = blatantly hateful bigotry.

Ok, got it now. I'll report to the reeducation center for remedial classes.

Hmm remedial might be a bit advanced based on your reply ...