"...and find the start screen all in the first session"
I didn't realise OS design was a "Where's Wally" challenge?
I didn't realise OS design was a "Where's Wally" challenge?
A key on a piano is how wide? You have a margin of what? 15-20mm? How many DPI is your monitor? 100-200? So a pixel width is say 0.254mm. Do you think you have 0.254mm of control using your fingers? I'm pretty damn well sure I can do a LOT better with a mouse than a finger.
Sorry there Guest, bad assumption; Professional programmer for three decades & 4 grandchildren - - HATE the thing.You folks talking about moving between Metro and the Desktop being "jarring" and making you want to "scream"; all I can say is that you are in trouble. When you actually move out of mom and dads house and into the real world; the real world where there is change happening constantly... Sad to say but you folks are in for a major awakening.
Jarring and screaming are things that most people simply do not experience or perform while at a computer. You all should get out more, really...
Yes interesting perspective. I think that having a touchscreen 24"+ display is retarded. Seriously who wants to sit close enough to touch a screen that big? And I want the efficiency of mouse and keyboard. They should find a decent substitute rather than a gimick!It's incredibly insulting that she says touchscreen will never be as efficient but users will get used to it. That's sounds like Apple arrogance! Who wants to be forced to get used to it!
Except it's already functional. Did <I>you</I> hit your head or something?No excuse to not install a <I>third party app</I> to make your OS functional? Did you hit your head or something? But then you also say that those who despise Metro are a minority despite all the facts proving otherwise, so keep on drinking that Kool-Aid, bro - nobody cared when Windows 8 debuted and nobody cares now.You mean aspects of the OS that you are purposely ignoring because you won't like them? Why, in such scenario, would you then complain you paid for features you knew you wouldn't like?
Ah, because you want the benefits of Windows 8.
People who hate Windows 8 hate Metro. Not the OS. And yet, they are still being offered an alternative, as opposed to previously rumored, so I still don't understand all the yapping.
Folks have the option to install the Start Menu back through third-parties and never even glance at anything Metro-related again. It's only logical to assume that if you choose this path (keeping in mind that, surprise, you <I>are</I> in the minority) you will have to manually associate certain file types to your legacy applications. You will do this, of course, because you want the benefits of Windows 8 without the idiosyncrasies of Metro.
P.S. StartisBack is completely <b>native</b>. It's not a program that boots up alongside your other programs. It's the Windows 7 Start Menu code brought back into Windows 8's Explorer. There's no excuse.
Yes. And not only it that, it can also remove (or enable) the charms bar <I>only</I> on secondary monitors. Useful is you perhaps want your second screen to be your "Metro" screen all the time, while your primary monitor being your desktop screen. Or you could have no such thing. You can also remove the hot-corners (which I loathed) from all screens.Just curious, because I'm looking for a proper mod that works for me... Does StartisBack fix the absolutely horrendous multi-screen behavior of Window 8? Or do you know of any other method to get a true productive multi-screen setup out of Windows 8? That has been my single biggest issue - and why I find I really like W8 on a tablet (since I don't have to worry about multi-screen), but experience major disappointment on my desktop...
In response to tekman42, per the bold section, you suggested that you shouldn't be tasked to find third-party apps if you're not happy with the Start Screen (e.g. Metro). As you could read, all I asked was why, then, would you complain of such thing if you knew, before buying the product, that you wouldn't like the very feature that would inevitably task you into finding those third-party apps? Perhaps I misread, if so, feel free to elaborate.Doesn't make since to you!! Let me ask a question. Why am I paying for a Windows License, if I'm disabling or ignoring just about every aspect of the OS? Why should I pay the full amount when I am compelled to use alternative solutions. I never have used Explorer, and just recently stopped using Internet Explorer, never have really cared for Windows Media Player, Disk Management is hardly worth using. <b>Now I'm being asked to find something else to load my applications with if I'm not happy with the start screen</b>. Why am I paying for all this BS, if I'm not willing to use it? I was happy when MSSE came out, give me a sense of getting some of my money back. I don't know about you but I'm tired of paying some incompetent programmer to create applications I never use, just so I can have an OS that will remain updated.So this choice you folks are complaining about doesn't make sense to me...I choose the desktop tile upon start and do not look back....nothing has forced me to use the tiles in the metro gui...yes sometimes things open with the metro interface...but once that happens...I just right click and choose the "Open With" menu to change the default to whatever I want it to be!
This, in a nutshell, is what Metro haters are talking about.
There's no excuse. There's a reason.This, in a nutshell, is what Metro haters are talking about.
There is simply no excuse for leaving the code in Win8 and having a Metro on/off switch in control panel.
You don't get it do you. It is not the fact that the start menu is still there and can be turned on even though Microsoft doesn't want it turned on. It is the fact that if we don't fight to keep it Microsoft will remove the code in future OS designs. With that thought I will leave you to wonder how we will keep the Start Menu if we do not voice our opinions now on wanting to keep it.Also, that's fine. Just know that <I>there is</I> a way to remove everything Metro and get your Start Menu back. In essence, it'd just be a better version of Windows 7. But that's up to you.
Um what facts do you have? Sales figures? Microsoft does force or encourage many suppliers to ship Win8 with new PCs. Do you have actual upgrade figures?There are no facts proving otherwise. I have facts to prove Windows 8 is successful. What facts do you have?
By what metric? You haven't said any way Win8 is better than Win7.Let me give it to you straight: Windows 8 is better than 7.
Another point of view is that it adds unnecessary features and a cumbersome interface for a desktop user so it is a worse version? Why not stick with the more polished version?Also, that's fine. Just know that <I>there is</I> a way to remove everything Metro and get your Start Menu back. In essence, it'd just be a better version of Windows 7. But that's up to you.
And from my point of view, it can only get worse. It seems to me that M$ will start to exert more control over what is installable into Windows, (a la Apple), and force more and more people to to buy apps from them, and at the same time forcing independent developers out of the market.I still think the whole motivation behind the change for Microsoft was the app store. They saw how well itunes/ios/android apps were selling and thought it would be a good way to rake in extra revenue - right from the Metro desktop...
You're so right. And to think I wasted all this time reading this stupid thread, a repeat of countless other threads on the subject, and actually thought of responding to it. I feel so ashamed.People get all worked up about the smallest things, really, just take a chance, learn a little for the 3 hours or so it takes, and MOVE ON!!!
As noted above, use StartIsBack, its $3 for 2 licenses. Sure you can argue you shouldn't have to buy a 3rd party app to use 8 like 7. I 'get' that argument, but I don't think it is strong enough to argue 7 over 8. Perhaps I'm missing something though, so could you tell me why 8 (with a $3 piece of software) is worse than 7?By what metric? You haven't said any way Win8 is better than Win7.
Another point of view is that it adds unnecessary features and a cumbersome interface for a desktop user so it is a worse version? Why not stick with the more polished version?
Seems to lack polish.
And yet, here @ post #67, you persist...... And now "I'm mad at myself", for taking the time to respond to your, "I'm mad at myself" rant.... I guess it's true, misery does love company, or does it....?You're so right. And to think I wasted all this time reading this stupid thread, a repeat of countless other threads on the subject, and actually thought of responding to it. I feel so ashamed.
I'm guessing you could also adapt to a dress code and wear a pink and green uniform. Sure you could adapt but would you want to? I guess that would also depend on the person. Not everyone has the same desires, so quit throwing stones at those of us who do not like the direction that Microsoft is headed in. Sure we can bring back the start menu manually, but if we do not voice our desires to keep it, Microsoft will assume no one wants it for future OS designs.Some people are just ignorant and suck at adapting I guess.