Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 Desktop vs. Laptop GPU

[Eldritch]

Yeah, maybe they should just design it in a way that it can be fed with 400W, so you can still have desktop level performance at home just with your laptop, it would be really awesome.

Yes, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[koblongata]

Yes, what could possibly go wrong?

Well, if you take a look at the desktop 4090, if the heatsink is removed it can easily fit into a desktop replacement laptop. Maybe some special water cooler that you can hook up to a water pump at home to unlock desktop level power, and only air cooled on the go, Eluktronics is already doing it, but only with laptop parts, imagine if they put desktop part in it.

 

[Eldritch]

It's not the GPU chip alone which may lead to disaster but its very close proximity to RAM, SSD etc who are not designed to withstand very high temps.

Did I mention laptop batteries? They may explode due to heat or die due to massive draw of power.

Then there are wire issues, chasis issues, ventilation issues and even outlet issues I.e. suddenly your laptop can burn your normal plug points!

This can quickly destroy a brand reputation for long term. We all remember Samsung Note 7 saga.

 

[koblongata]

It's not the GPU chip alone which may lead to disaster but its very close proximity to RAM, SSD etc who are not designed to withstand very high temps.

Did I mention laptop batteries? They may explode due to heat or die due to massive draw of power.

Then there are wire issues, chasis issues, ventilation issues and even outlet issues I.e. suddenly your laptop can burn your normal plug points!

This can quickly destroy a brand reputation for long term. We all remember Samsung Note 7 saga.

Er, OKKO, you win, it's impossible, I am sorry to be so stupid, there can never be a laptop using desktop graphics part that can run at full power with additional cooling at home. You must have been through a lot of hardcore engineering challenges, knowing the absolute limits of things..

 

[brucek]

Another day at the office. Giving the same name to products that are obviously not the same. These shady naming schemes should be considered illegal.

If this was the Lawspot blog, that to me would be the most interesting part of the article: why or why not should this marketing approach be legal?

As opposed to 100% clear cut fraud, where even a wary consumer had no reasonable way to know ahead of time that they were not getting the product they thought they were, Nvidia clearly has wiggle room. There's a published spec sheet that is accurate, the formal "4090 Laptop GPU" name is slightly different even if intentionally picked to know that for example retail sales people are pretty likely to leave out the laptop part, there are plenty of press reviews that make the distinction plain, etc. etc.

Yet despite being honest in those respects, it sure feels slimy & deceptive.

I guess for me the next step in investigating this topic would be trying to understand how many if any consumers were actually fully deceived. Are there are any accounts of someone buying a 4090 laptop, finding out soon after that it was not the 4090 performance they expected, and then being denied a return? How often does this happen?

 

[Eldritch]

If this was the Lawspot blog, that to me would be the most interesting part of the article: why or why not should this marketing approach be legal?

As opposed to 100% clear cut fraud, where even a wary consumer had no reasonable way to know ahead of time that they were not getting the product they thought they were, Nvidia clearly has wiggle room. There's a published spec sheet that is accurate, the formal "4090 Laptop GPU" name is slightly different even if intentionally picked to know that for example retail sales people are pretty likely to leave out the laptop part, there are plenty of press reviews that make the distinction plain, etc. etc.

Yet despite being honest in those respects, it sure feels slimy & deceptive.

I guess for me the next step in investigating this topic would be trying to understand how many if any consumers were actually fully deceived. Are there are any accounts of someone buying a 4090 laptop, finding out soon after that it was not the 4090 performance they expected, and then being denied a return? How often does this happen?

Happens frequently as no laptop CPU is on par with their desktop counterpart BUT the extent in Nvidia's release is beyond performance but straight up specs of lower model.

Yes this is deceptive marketing.

Yes they will get away with it.

No, its not ethical at all. But at this point, do we have any iota of doubt left that Nvidia is greedy AF?

 

[Thatsdisgusting]

I agree with Tim, and if they've assigned it as RTX 4080, then it would benefit ngreedia even instead of backfiring. Show that company can fit one of two top chips inside laptop, instead of pathetic try to greedily hike pricetag to grab another 1K$ from one sell. But still, if it was at least 30% cheaper, I would fall for a "Laptop that is even with my 3080Ti/3090 desktop", especially considering where I live now...

One thing to note, would be great if you add AD103 and GA102 cards to this comparison.

 

[letsgoiowa]

I'd consider this simple fraud or a scam. "No you see the RTX 4090 is faster than the RTX 4090! You should just know that, duh!" -Nvidia

They should be labeled with TDP, marked with an M designation, and be labeled according to the chip they use. The ideal labeling would be "RTX 4080M 135W" or similar.

 

[rsmith222]

""give the laptop GPU a slightly different name. This should be an RTX 4090M – or even better, the RTX 4080M ""

nah ! it would mean, being honest, and it's about nvidia we're speaking here... LOL

A corporation we're speaking about here.

Corporations are designed to scam people. It's called being clever and successful.

 

[Hodor]

So, what the village says, will there be RTX 4990?? And of course RTX 4990 Laptop GPU?

 

[scavengerspc]

nah ! it would mean, being honest, and it's about nvidia we're speaking here... LOL

I'm not exactly pro Nvidia, but I think the problem is the manufacturers.
In Device manager, the GPU in my laptop says "Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Laptop GPU".