Nvidia launches GeForce GTX 465, Fermi gets closer to mainstream pricing

[dividebyzero]

Not sure where you are getting that info but we believe the Radeon HD 5850 is not only cheaper, but faster as well (In most cases). We will be releasing a new article shortly using the latest drivers that supports this.

This promises to be one hell of an article.
As most of my business system upgrades generally centre around graphics I usually follow the ebb and flow of new cards and driver releases...your's sounds like it's going to put the cat amongst the pigeons!
A brief look around the tech-web regarding the GTX 470 and HD 5850 comparisons*.....

GTX 470
Aliens vs Predator (1680, 1920,2560)Xbit, HC, Toms
Battlefield BC2: (1680, 1920) Xbit, HC, Toms, Anand + 2560@8xMSAA (HC)
CoD:MW2 : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Hexus, Toms
Far Cry 2: (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, TPU, HC, HH
Metro 2033: (1680) Xbit, HC
STALKER:CoP : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand
STALKER:SoC : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
STALKER:CS : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Just Cause 2: (1680, 1920) Xbit, HC, Toms
Resident Evil 5: (1680) Xbit
Street Fighter IV: (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit
Mass Effect 2: (1680) Xbit, Anand
DIRT 2: (1680, 1920)Xbit, Hexus, HC, Toms, Anand, TPU
HAWX : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, TPU, HH, Anand
Battleforge (DX10 and DX11) (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand, TPU
World in Conflict:Sov.Assault (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit
CoD 4:MW (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Call of Juarez 2 (1680) TPU
Company of Heroes (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Dawn of War 2 (1680) TPU
ET:QW : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU, HH
Far Cry : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
UT3 : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
World in Conflict (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Left 4 Dead 2 : (1680, 1920) HH

split
Battlefield:BC2 @1920:Hexus (HD5850), Xbit, HC, Toms (GTX470)
Crysis Warhead @1680 & 2560: Hexus (HD5850), Xbit, Anand (GTX470)
Just Cause 2 (2560) : Xbit (HD5850), HC (GTX470)
Mass Effect 2: (1920) Xbit (GTX470), Anand (HD5850)
Call of Juarez 2 (1920) identical fps (TPU)

HD5850
Battlefield BC2 (2560) Xbit, Anand, HC
Crysis Warhead (1920) Xbit, Hexus, Anand
Metro 2033: (1920, 2560) Xbit, HC
Wolfenstein (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand
Resident Evil 5 : (1920, 2560) Xbit
Mass Effect 2: (2560) Xbit, Anand
DIRT 2 (2560) Xbit, Hexus, HC, Toms, Anand, TPU
Left 4 Dead: (1680, 1920, 2560) Anand
Call of Juarez 2 (2560) TPU
Dawn of War 2 (1920, 2560) TPU
Crysis (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU, Toms, HH
Prey (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Quake 4 (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Riddick: Dark Athena (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Left 4 Dead 2 (2560) HH

From the wide range of games (and leaving out titles that heavily favour nVidia cards- Batman:AA, Mirror's Edge, Darkest of Days and Dark Void) the honours seem fairly well split-if anything the HD5850 tends to pick up wins at 2560x1600 that include benches of academic interest only as the framerates are too low for gameplay- so I'm keen to see how Techspots benches differ from what I've seen so far.

* As these are enthusiasts cards I did not look at a resolution below 1600, nor any game setting without antialiasing if it is supported in game or can be forced.
Reviews referenced used the latest nVidia beta driver and for the most part Catalyst 10.5. (10.3a most dated )

Reviews cited: TechPowerUp (TPU, Xbit, Anandtech, Hardware Canucks (HC, Tom's Hardware, Hot Hardware (HH, Hexus.

 

[Steve]

@dividebyzero – Hmm that is hardly conclusive. Half the games listed as favoring the GeForce GTX 470 reappear in the Radeon HD 5850 list. Looking over our results they are quite similar to those from the Anand review though we tested with a few different games as well. It seems the setting play a significant role in which card comes out on top though that is hardly surprising. For our article we have tested using maximum in-game quality settings with AA/AF enabled. Anyway that is all I am going to say for now, the article should be live tomorrow.

 

[Regenweald]

[-Steve-] said:

princeton said:
No it isn't. Price to OVERALL performance the gtx 470 is better than the 5850. It's around a 50 dollar increase for better average framerates,better tesselation performance,better driver support(ati once a month is pathetic. Waiting a month for multi gpu profiles is a joke),better minimum framerates. My friend has a gtx 470 and when he forces the fan at 70% in his antec 1200 the card never goes above 75. When it comes to the gtx 480 it is also better than the 5870. Infact in gpu intensive games like crysis and far cry 2 it beats the hd 5970. And in those games every frame counts. If the GTX 400 are a failure series then I'm an asian granny.

Not sure where you are getting that info but we believe the Radeon HD 5850 is not only cheaper, but faster as well (In most cases). We will be releasing a new article shortly using the latest drivers that supports this.

I have no idea where the nvidia fans get their numbers to justify some of their claims, but "a buddy of mine" is not acceptable Fermi has made the gaming community look like *****s, they keep arguing tessellation performance, but the only place you can enjoy that 'superior' tessellation is in a benchmark. When was the last time anyone 'played' a benchmark ? So for more money, more heat and more power draw, you get to sit and watch the Heaven benchmark in a loop ?

If the next Nvidia architecture is genuinely better than ATI, I'm there, because I'm a *performance* hound. Green lost this round boys, deal with it.

 

[dividebyzero]

@dividebyzero – Hmm that is hardly conclusive. Half the games listed as favoring the GeForce GTX 470 reappear in the Radeon HD 5850 list. .

Games are listed under the respective cards by resolution. So, for arguments sake, Game "A" might favour the GTX 470 at 1680 and 1920 resolutions, while the same Game "A" might favour the HD 5850 at 2560. Sorry for the confusion.

Looking over our results they are quite similar to those from the Anand review though we tested with a few different games as well.

I think you would need to add some other games since Anand had the GTX 470 "winning" 22 of the 30 benchmarks (average 6.99% faster framerate overall). Considering Anand decided to forego a lot of best selling game titles (CoD series, WoW:WotLK, GTA4) which favour nVidia arch/coding then it seems a fair comparison.

@Regenweald
A few points...
Without the hardware to make use of tesselation, there is little point releasing games that feature it.
Metro 2033 and AvP feature moderate amounts of tesselation- both of these new games favour nVidia's architecture by a fair margin. With Battlefield 1943, F1 2010 and Crysis 2 looming.
If tesselation is such a ho-hum non event why is AMD re-jigging it's architecture for Southern Islands to be more tessalation capable?

 

[princeton]

[-Steve-] said:

princeton said:
No it isn't. Price to OVERALL performance the gtx 470 is better than the 5850. It's around a 50 dollar increase for better average framerates,better tesselation performance,better driver support(ati once a month is pathetic. Waiting a month for multi gpu profiles is a joke),better minimum framerates. My friend has a gtx 470 and when he forces the fan at 70% in his antec 1200 the card never goes above 75. When it comes to the gtx 480 it is also better than the 5870. Infact in gpu intensive games like crysis and far cry 2 it beats the hd 5970. And in those games every frame counts. If the GTX 400 are a failure series then I'm an asian granny.

Not sure where you are getting that info but we believe the Radeon HD 5850 is not only cheaper, but faster as well (In most cases). We will be releasing a new article shortly using the latest drivers that supports this.

Then you guys might want to rethink how you benchmark. Every review I have seen shows the nvidia cards as better. Heres some quotes from the guru3d benchmark.

"Even so, when we tally up the results out of all titles tested, the GeForce GTX 480 wins nearly everywhere"

"there are also scenarios where the GTX 480 completely and utterly kicks the Radeon HD 5870 in the proverbial nuts."

"The GeForce GTX 470 then -- obviously this card is lined up against ATI's Radeon HD 5850. It can compete with it quite well. Price wise it's definitely the more interesting of the two cards tested today."

Ill quote that again
"Price wise it's definitely the more interesting of the two cards tested today."

"Money versus performance wise I'd say the GTX 470 is the winner of the two really"

Yup the ati cards are sure cheaper and faster. Reviews on guru3d, hardwarecanucks,bit-tech among others say different.

 

[dividebyzero]

I'm wondering if they're gonna slap two of these 465's on one board for their next single solution sli..

Dont think GTX 465 SLi'ed on a PCB (GTX 930 ?!) is going to work. The power draw would put it waaaaaaay outside the PCI-E specification of 300 watts. No ATX/PCI certification = warranty problems and no OEM orders.

Well, so much for that idea. Looks like Galaxy have got a GTX470x2 on display at Computex. 2 x 8pin PCIe + PCI slot (375w) still seems a litle light on the power delivery side and not much in the way of case venting. More keen on finding out what kind of heatsink they're planning on using!

 

[Steve]

@ princeton - you are right the GeForce GTX 480 is superior to the Radeon HD 5870. That was the conclusion in our NDA coverage anyway.

 

[Guest]

I had an ATI 5850 but had too many problems with cursor artifacts, black screens or lines in the screen requiring a hard re-boot that I decided to try the GTX470 instead. The ATI forums were filled with threads of similar problems with no solution. My 470 hasn't had any issues but it does run hot sometimes. I'll occasionaly use alt-tab to switch over to EVGA Precision to check the temps while gaming. You can easily set the fan speed higher to keep temps down.

 

[princeton]

[-Steve-] said:
@ princeton - you are right the GeForce GTX 480 is superior to the Radeon HD 5870. That was the conclusion in our NDA coverage anyway.

you also posted earlier than the hd 5850 was better than the gtx 470. When in reality that is an absolute lie.