Nvidia launches RTX 50 Blackwell GPUs: $2,000 RTX 5090, $1,000 RTX 5080, RTX 5070 / Ti are $549 and $749

[GodisanAtheist]

Crazy is the 2080 ti with dedicated Tensor cores vs 1080ti had a higher delta gain. Hey at least we can rely on smoke and mirrors to make up for the marketing and hype shortfalls.View attachment 90161

1080ti MSRP $650

2080ti MSRP $1000 (street price more like $1200).

 

[Starfals]

4070 seems to perform around the level of 3080, which itself was only about 15-20% slower than 3090 outside of 4K. So I’d be more inclined to believe that the 5070 will be within striking distance of the 4080, around 50% faster than 4070, as opposed to the 4090, which is nearly 100% faster. Definitely a bit faster than 4070Ti Super.

But hey, at least they improved launch prices over the previous gen. Nobody predicted that by a long shot.

5080 and 90 have something to say about it... What a joke of a generation. Barly any faster without DLSS, a little bit cheaper... same VRAM... some other cards cost the same or more. This is worse than Zen 5%... it really is. Its beyound boring. I have never had 0% excitement in a GPU generation lol. Nvidia finally did it, they killed the fun of buying a new GPU from a new generation. Also killed the hype. I wont be hyped for the 60 series. 0 % hype.

 

[Starfals]

This childish self-entitlement mentality is out of control. I grew up in the Communist USSR, where only the rich and connected could buy meat, bar soap, and clothes that fit. Today, neither wealth nor political connections are required to own a video card, you simply need the cost to produce the card itself, plus the GPU maker's average 20% net profit margin. And if you consider great wealth is required to purchase one of these, your career choices likely need reconsidering.

Asia, Africa, half of America and many countries in Europe still have paychecks around 300-500 bucks. Lawyers and doctors make around 700-1500. The presidents of some countries make literally 2000 a month. It's not just about career. When the medium wage is like 650/750, getting a GPU that cost 1000 (or god forbid 2k for 5090) is out of the question. What is half of the world to do? Move to USA? Germany? UK? Nah. Maybe they should go to Russia? I know plenty of people with good jobs there, that can barely pay their electric bills+food+flats. I know plenty of nurses and doctors from Asia too. Same for Europe. Yes, not every country in Europe makes a billion euro a month. Check the stats, there are many on the bottom too. Are they not humans with good jobs? Is everyone poor and uneducated? Haha, have you seen airplane pilots, doctors and lawyers working in a MacDonald? I have. I've seen teachers too.

I know everyone and their mom has a 2500 dollar iPhone, RTX 4090, and expensive big car... but the reality is... these people ain't everyone, it just looks that way. The world is a poor poor place. Saving does help when you wanna buy stuff, but even then. Paying that much money (could be 3-5 months of paychecks) just to play video games... You gotta be mental to do that. Nvidia can shove these 15-20% extra powerful lacking VRAM GPUs where the sun don't shine. I thought Zen 5 was bad, but then I saw this.

 

[Zionmonster77]

Hohoho 2000$ for a video card... In Europe it will be over 2500 € ... for a video card insane greed and stupid masses...

 

[BlackSwan]

From standpoint of midrange gamer I see zero reasons to fork out these sums. Actually nVidia prices are the best ever advertisement of PlayStation and Xbox.

Or gamepass ultimate where you can just stream gamepass games and bypass any hardware cost.

 

[BlackSwan]

I love how small the new cards are though. Thank the gods that we don't have 4 slot coolers.

 

[Joey Rakas]

How can you ask 2000 fking thousand dollars for a piece of computer then say its efficient with almost 600 watts !! this is insane and ridiculous !

Kinda cracks me up too lol. I remember when I got my 6800 Ultra many years ago, and having to plug in 2x molex connectors. Recommended system power supply was 550 watts if I recall. My friends and I thought that was pretty wild at that time. But here we are, a single GPU pulling more juice than SLi systems not so long ago, while also paying twice the price......or more...... for a single card.

In fairness.....it will be the fastest, most impressive GPU on the planet. Any passionate hardware person who say's they wouldn't want an RTX 5090 is simply lying to themselves, and everyone else. But most of us simply cannot justify the cost of one of these for many basic reasons, or utilize one to it's full potential lol. And since there is simply no competition in the "top-of-the-line" category of GPU's, Nvidia get's to dictate whatever price they want.

Here is a thought; as a long time SLI user, when games properly utilized this technology(and Crossfire), you could see gains truly double! It was amazing. Games like Oblivion had HUGE uplifts back in the day. Even games like ARK: Survival Evolved had pretty excellent scaling. Now if that technology was delivered and streamlined like Nvidia had claimed it would. Hec a guy could go out and find a couple Titan Xp cards off Ebay for about $200ea, so for $400, have performance somewhere close to that of the RTX 4070 Ti. Ahhhhh if only.......

 

[airbornex]

DLSS 4’s multi-frame generation is fascinating but also a bit worrying. Generating 3 frames for every real frame sounds great until you realize 75% of what you’re seeing isn’t 'real.' Fingers crossed they nail the quality and latency, or we’re looking at a whole lot of fancy frame artifacts.

 

[JuanDegr]

So, the message from CES is: The 5070 is the new 4090. Just don't ask for rasterization benchmarks.

And the (unannounced) 5060 8GB will be the new 4080 Super, I guess.

One thing is for sure: The PPTX marketing slide is mightier than the sword

 

[AnilD]

The RTX 5090 sounds like a powerhouse with that massive memory bandwidth and core count, but 575W? Feels like Nvidia’s next announcement should be a bundled portable generator.

The two-slot design is impressive engineering, but I’m genuinely concerned my PC case might double as a space heater (...oh wait, as if I'm going to spend $2k on a new GPU).

 

[Endymio]

The RTX 5090 sounds like a powerhouse with that massive memory bandwidth and core count, but 575W? Feels like Nvidia’s next announcement should be a bundled portable generator.

Intel's 8088 used only 2 watts. But with the death of Moore's Law, the only way we're going to see major performance gains in the future is either through increased power consumption, or abandoning silicon lithography entirely. The nodes themselves are only giving us a few percentage points each .. and there's only handful of them left before we run out of enough atoms to make a transistor.

 

[BogdanR]

Comparing core counts, except for the 5090 the rest of this new gen is nothing to get overly excited about. Sure their AI capabilities are around twice better but in terms of "raw" power... meh. I'm really curious to see actual real world benchmarking and how the the new midrange AMD would compare. AMD really has a good chance to narrow the already slim midrange gap. Hopefully they won't price themselves out like they did at the launch of the previous generation.

It is a fool's hope, I know.

 

[JuanDegr]

But with the death of Moore's Law, the only way we're going to see major performance gains in the future is either through increased power consumption, or abandoning silicon lithography entirely.

You forgot a third way: Marketing graphs and slides praising the newest AI solutions

Also, imho, not Moore's Law is dead, rasterization is.

The next generation of GPUs could save Moore's Law by adding another yearly 200% increase of generated AI frames into the mixture. There is nothing to stop this now. And we could get the GPUs cheaper, as you don't need heaps of VRAM, die size and general silicon complexity in a future GPU to compute one frame and generate the other 99% of them. The next 1slot 1fan RTX6030 4GB with an improved DLSS 5.0 could be faster than the 5090 32GB, if they solve the latency problem and generate the textures on the fly. At least they will claim it like they did with the 5070 and the 4090.

There is nothing to stop this development. Unlike the data problems LLMs face now, there is no real data peak in training frame gen models - you could generate data with random user agents endlessly, so there is not a limit in sight for this transition.

I hope you see my cynism - I do not want this, but I fear, this is what the future wiil hold for us. More and more improvement on the mixture of AI upscaling + framegen + low latency tricks.

And it's an industry wide transformation of GPU technology. Just watch the other two (consumer) GPU companies. They are executing the exact same strategy. Intel starts to sell the newest XESS 2.0 as a perfect frame gen software package locked to their newest gen of GPUs. Even their slides with doubled (or more) fps correspond to the Nvidia CES slides and narrative:

AMD will do the same with FSR 4 (even, what is unusual for them, locking this technology to their newest GPU AI cores). Also, the AMD CEO said, she wants AMD to become a software company, so emphasis on software, APIs and AI.

For me, it's a clear shift towards proprietary AI software solutions by Nvidia, AMD and Intel. Someday Nvidia will laugh in our faces, telling us (again) that 8 GB VRAM is enough for Ultra resolutions with everything maxed out. Just use generated frames and textures. And while old gamers will see the lie (AI came to their rescue), new gamers will accept the trinity of upscalers, frame generators and latency fixes as a standard.

Not what I want, but I fear, the development is unstoppable now, as Nvidia leads the way and the two other companies will follow. So, every new gen, we will see doubled or quadrupled frames bundled with proprietary software packages and slides referencing the newest games from friendly studios that support those technologies.

 

[Loadedaxe]

Asia, Africa, half of America and many countries in Europe still have paychecks around 300-500 bucks. Lawyers and doctors make around 700-1500. The presidents of some countries make literally 2000 a month. It's not just about career. When the medium wage is like 650/750, getting a GPU that cost 1000 (or god forbid 2k for 5090) is out of the question. What is half of the world to do? Move to USA? Germany? UK? Nah. Maybe they should go to Russia? I know plenty of people with good jobs there, that can barely pay their electric bills+food+flats. I know plenty of nurses and doctors from Asia too. Same for Europe. Yes, not every country in Europe makes a billion euro a month. Check the stats, there are many on the bottom too. Are they not humans with good jobs? Is everyone poor and uneducated? Haha, have you seen airplane pilots, doctors and lawyers working in a MacDonald? I have. I've seen teachers too.

I know everyone and their mom has a 2500 dollar iPhone, RTX 4090, and expensive big car... but the reality is... these people ain't everyone, it just looks that way. The world is a poor poor place. Saving does help when you wanna buy stuff, but even then. Paying that much money (could be 3-5 months of paychecks) just to play video games... You gotta be mental to do that. Nvidia can shove these 15-20% extra powerful lacking VRAM GPUs where the sun don't shine. I thought Zen 5 was bad, but then I saw this.

Console maybe? Wait, Credit Card? /s
if it makes you feel better, the average person in the US cant afford a $1000-2000 GPU either using cash alone.

Momma and Daddy pay for it or they just use Credit cards.

 

[yannus]

For those who say that the price is good or whatsoever, inflation adjusted price for high end video cards in 1999 (when every new generation was a real game changer - bilinear filtering, T&L...) is around 400 USD. That was before Ngreedya monopoly, just before the first geforce. I read above that they only make a 20% margin, come on, who would do that knowing they face very little competition.

 

[BogdanR]

Not what I want, but I fear, the development is unstoppable now, as Nvidia leads the way and the two other companies will follow. So, every new gen, we will see doubled or quadrupled frames bundled with proprietary software packages and slides referencing the newest games from friendly studios that support those technologies.

Bleak and true. And it is rendered bleaker yet by the fact that we, the consumers, have no say really. And sadly, “buying is not owning” will extend here as well. We will have to eventually rent the privilege of using all the hardware we’ll still have to buy.

 

[m3tavision]

How many 7900 XTX or RX 9070 XT would it take to exceed and match performance of RTX 5090 -- 2 or 3 of them, add up all that power (watts) and then come back to does the RTX 5090 as 1 GPU with 32GB of VRAM offering that level of performance use way more power (for the performance) than any other card.

You do understand that the RTX 5090 is not a gaming chip, but a broken cutdown $3,400 PRO/Enterprise GPU, that nVidia's sells as a high-end Gaming RTX card. Bcz they can't sell broken/cutdown dies to Professional Graphic artists and Creators, if it's not the full chip. So again Gamers get the broken chips at discounts, etc.

Blackwell wasn't designed for gaming, Nvidia just uses software to help it architecture "mimic" gaming.



You do understand that AMD has $4k PRO cards to... that just do not sell them to the public as Gaming cards.

 

[n3o127]

You do understand that the RTX 5090 is not a gaming chip, but a broken cutdown $3,400 PRO/Enterprise GPU, that nVidia's sells as a high-end Gaming RTX card. Bcz they can't sell broken/cutdown dies to Professional Graphic artists and Creators, if it's not the full chip. So again Gamers get the broken chips at discounts, etc.

Blackwell wasn't designed for gaming, Nvidia just uses software to help it architecture "mimic" gaming.



You do understand that AMD has $4k PRO cards to... that just do not sell them to the public as Gaming cards.

You do understand that graphic cards each have a power draw, and under load (use, including gaming) draw more power, correct? I suppose you don't realize that Ray Tracing Texel eXtreme (or RTX) nVidia GPU's are cards for games and creators.

Power draw (while your comment had nothing to do with my reply to power draws), while 5090 may look like a power draw hog to some, others that create or game (for the very best performance), or perhaps both, the 5090 for the performance power draw ratio is as acceptable as sales numbers reflect.

Gamers as FYI... I assure you do NOT get broken chips, of course the best chips go towards higher profit cards as does manufacturing. AMD like nVidia is also leaving Gaming (if calling that GeForce Experience and Radeon), this is the last Radeon series for AMD as example.

 

[redgarl]

Let it sink in for you the Nvidia lovers...

30% performance uplift, is the lowest performance uplift from Nvidia... EVER...

Not only this, but they went bunker at 575 Watts... and asking 2000$...

So if you buy Jensen saying you cannot increase performance without AI anymore, then you have been brainwashed already.