Nvidia launches the GeForce RTX 20 Series: Ray-tracing to the mainstream of gaming

[Drew Valadez]

Everyone complains about pricing and I'm sitting here thinking "mmmm when those $300 1080Ti's gonna hit the used market that they bought for $700 coming?.... SOON!"

 

[Lew Zealand]

There is nothing "standard" here except they are using a standard 2 year old manufacturing process.... and then charging double the standard price lol.

Raytracing is a complete joke.

If 12mm is a 2 year old manufacturing process, what is the current process node and who is manufacturing in volume on it? Charging double the standard price? What is the "standard price"? Who is releasing video cards like these at half the price Nvidia is charging? I want one!

 

[pcnthuziast]

Everyone complains about pricing and I'm sitting here thinking "mmmm when those $300 1080Ti's gonna hit the used market that they bought for $700 coming?.... SOON!"

You're kidding right? Finding a 980 ti for that price isn't even a guarantee in q3 of 2018 and a 1080 ti's value won't even halve for at least a year.
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The 8gb of ram on my 1080 fills up pretty easily, many games at 4k with high-ultra settings will trigger some swapping that I can feel even on an pcie m.2, I was hoping for more ram on these cards. Am I missing something?

 

[EEatGDL]

Raytracing is a complete joke.

Sure kid, sure. Even a researcher at Intel published an article about it [internally] a year ago, saying how that would be the next step in computer graphics and the first one to master it would find a market with 3D artists, offloading a ton of work from them, and in turn provide a lot more realism with little [human] effort in anything CGI.

Yes, Intel doesn't shine by its graphics, but someone who cranked the numbers and has an expertise in 3D graphics was telling where to aim. Ray-tracing was thought before the 80s and the computational power required for it realized, so this (real-time ray-tracing, because static ray-tracing is nothing new) has been a marathon for a lot of people, that has been worth it.

 

[amghwk]

Price not withstanding, AMD is further lagging behind in terms of tech advancement.

I feel it is a good time to upgrade my 980Ti (via installments + trade-in).

I know the price is expensive, but it's better than getting the iPhone X or Galaxy Note 9. Not related to graphics cards, yes, but prices nowadays for flagship gadgets are equally crazy.

 

[pencea]

I don't care about how much faster it is in ray tracing nor AI. What I want to know is how much faster is the RTX 2080 Ti than the 1080 Ti in actual games performance excluding the ray tracing stuff.

 

[CaptainTom]

Sure kid, sure. Even a researcher at Intel published an article about it [internally] a year ago, saying how that would be the next step in computer graphics and the first one to master it would find a market with 3D artists, offloading a ton of work from them, and in turn provide a lot more realism with little [human] effort in anything CGI.

Yes, Intel doesn't shine by its graphics, but someone who cranked the numbers and has an expertise in 3D graphics was telling where to aim. Ray-tracing was thought before the 80s and the computational power required for it realized, so this (real-time ray-tracing, because static ray-tracing is nothing new) has been a marathon for a lot of people, that has been worth it.

So kool kid. Go look up the demo's where meaningfully noticeable Raytracing is only doable at 720p. Enjoy your 720p gaming ***** lmao!

 

[CaptainTom]

I don't care about how much faster it is in ray tracing nor AI. What I want to know is how much faster is the RTX 2080 Ti than the 1080 Ti in actual games performance excluding the ray tracing stuff.

Probably 25%

 

[That Dude There]

2080 TI available first so they can get the suckers to pay up before they realize they just got marketed.

 

[Flebbert]

Are there any figures about 25% faster between the 1080TI and 2080TI?

I would expect this gap to be much larger for this generation due to all the new improvements and a new refined architecture.

Would love to see a video breaking down the advantages between the two

 

[ghostf1re]

Congratulations to Americans and other high income countries on the debut of new GPUs.
With my $300-something set aside I'm waiting for something at least 2-3 times faster than my current GTX970 - probably GPU from AMD in a Ryzen-style-comeback. Or maybe, after all those years, I'll break and try playing pad, buy PS4 Pro to play their exclusives.
If they keep raising prices of each iteration, nVidia will soon run out of numbers to fill names of under-$200 cards. Like literally We should see next year GT2010, GT2015Ti? Seriously, You can buy 6 core i5 for around $200 thanks to AMD Zen revival. nVidia is just milking Us as a monopolist. Go to hell Jenny!

You're talking about two entirely different subjects here. You're comparing processors to gpus and they are entirely different. While I agree the pricing for these cards is high, processors have nothing to do with it.

 

[ghostf1re]

I expected Nvidia to introduce true 4k cards here, but at 25% faster than the 1080ti, I question whether true 4k at locked 60fps could even be achieved at max settings on most games. The 1080ti is a beast right now, but even it can't run most games at 4k with max settings locked at 60fps. I have a 1080ti and I just really don't see myself upgrading anytime soon until I can see 60fps 4k max settings or only if these cards are drastically better in performance.

 

[pencea]

I expected Nvidia to introduce true 4k cards here, but at 25% faster than the 1080ti, I question whether true 4k at locked 60fps could even be achieved at max settings on most games. The 1080ti is a beast right now, but even it can't run most games at 4k with max settings locked at 60fps. I have a 1080ti and I just really don't see myself upgrading anytime soon until I can see 60fps 4k max settings or only if these cards are drastically better in performance.

I'm currently running an overclocked 1080 Ti Strix and from what I'm gathering so far. It's not worth upgrading to any of the RTX cards. My golden rule when it comes to upgrading GPU, is it has to be at the very least 40% faster ( which I doubt the 2080 Ti has over the current 1080 Ti) than my existing card in order for me to even consider upgrading given how more expensive these GPU's are getting each year.

 

[Qrox]

The 8gb of ram on my 1080 fills up pretty easily, many games at 4k with high-ultra settings will trigger some swapping that I can feel even on an pcie m.2, I was hoping for more ram on these cards. Am I missing something?

Nevermind filling 8GB on 4k. My GTX1080's 8GB gets used up on 2K on GTA V even before its on max settings and that game is already 3.5 years old on PC.

I was expecting the 2070 to have 8GB, the 2080 to have at least 10GB and the 2080TI to have 13-15GB.

I would expect the new visually impressive games to eat away at the RAM so how its still the same amount is beyond me.

 

[picka]

What I don't understand is people defending these prices online.

Do people enjoy paying more for products? It's perfectly understandable why NVidia is hiking the prices since they don't have any competition, but why on earth would people defend them for it unless they have shares in the company? Just boggles the mind.

 

[Flebbert]

What I don't understand is people defending these prices online.

Do people enjoy paying more for products? It's perfectly understandable why NVidia is hiking the prices since they don't have any competition, but why on earth would people defend them for it unless they have shares in the company? Just boggles the mind.

The pricing sucks but there are no other options, if the 2080TI ends up being 50% faster than the 1080TI (wishful thinking I know) and it goes for less than $1500 after a few months of release I will be too tempted and will just buy it

 

[picka]

The pricing sucks but there are no other options, if the 2080TI ends up being 50% faster than the 1080TI (wishful thinking I know) and it goes for less than $1500 after a few months of release I will be too tempted and will just buy it

Will you be comfortable paying $3000 in 2 years time for the same tier product, which at the end of the day is mostly used to play video games. Or how about $5000 in 4 years time?

 

[Flebbert]

The pricing sucks but there are no other options, if the 2080TI ends up being 50% faster than the 1080TI (wishful thinking I know) and it goes for less than $1500 after a few months of release I will be too tempted and will just buy it

Will you be comfortable paying $3000 in 2 years time for the same tier product, which at the end of the day is mostly used to play video games. Or how about $5000 in 4 years time?

Being able to afford/comfortable/happy are all different things and I think people who by the TI versions are in the 1% or so of the market.

Regardless people will keep buying the top tier regardless of pricing.

I don't think anyone is defending the pricing, but what are we going to do, boycott and by AMD.... oh wait Vega was underwhelming to say the least.

 

[picka]

Some people are definitely defending the pricing, not the folks at TS since we are all too smart for that , but certainly among some other online communities.

But as you say, people will pay what they are comfortable with and now that we don't really have another option, it'll mean a lot of people will simply buy a lower tier product in comparison to previous releases or simply not update at all. In the end, I can see this hurting PC gaming overall as people will simply switch to consoles.

 

[sasat]

Where is PhysX right now? - Off on most games, since it gives huge disadvantage on multiplayer modes, same will be with RTX.

 

[Dimitrios]

Why does he always wear dark tight shirts and jackets?

 

[Dimitrios]

The ray tracing aspect is a pretty big deal and a giant leap in GPU technology.

BUT...how many games/software packages are in the works to take advantage of this? I'm thinking this could be a similar situation to when VR headsets first came out and except for a handful of demo clips, there was nothing available. I'm not sure you could even say there's a viable VR software catalog out there even today.
Irony is that I think consoles will buy AMD's time and is actually saving them. Once consoles change to Nvidia then I think that's bad news on AMD's part. I don't like Nvidia because they have the same business ethics as INTEL. I mean both MILKING & Monopoly tactics.......................................

Nevertheless, I'll be in line for one of these 2080ti's as soon as I see what 3rd party manufacturers come out with.

 

[Boilerhog146]

$1600.00 + in Canada . yeah, sure, I hope our dollar makes some comeback in the near future, president Tarif , I mean Trump will like these.made in ASIA and shipped here and to the U.S. he prolly wants a chunk of change from Nvidia also.ain't Capitalism Grand. making America GREEDY again.er ,I mean Great. When I bought my 512 meg 6800 Ultra back in the day, they were $999.00 u.s. , $1299.00 CDN I paid for 2 = $2800.00 + cdn after tax..I paid, still have the receipt .
so yeah ,there are lots of people that will buy .I will prolly buy also, sigh.

All for another 20/25 FPS on an already playable title.over 2 x 4 gig 670's, that's what I got going to a single 1080,. guess I'll be looking for another 1080 afterall. unless,I choke and bite the bullet.I don't like the idea of buying used.and these 2080 prices will allow 1080 prices to stay up.how the 2080 pushes pixels on a decent 4K display is gonna be key for many right now, not next year when games using the RTS are here.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Has anyone noticed or heard anything about Nvidia's mobile lineup? The 10 series mobile family performed fairly close to the desktop version - will that remain the same with the 20 series? Or does the seemingly higher power requirements mean that we won't see an equivalent mobile family?

 

[wiyosaya]

More marketing BS from nVidia to sell yet another overpriced card.

Something that would help game developers perhaps as much without a hardware accelerated calculation engine is for them to learn Geometric Alegbra. Somehow, I doubt that is going to happen.

Although it seems highly unlikely at this point, one can hope for AMD to get their act together. I may just buy used again; even if I wanted to pay those prices, it sounds like the value is not there.

It looks cool, but... eh... not really for me. Not at those prices, although I could easily afford multiple 2080ti cards. It’s not the price per se. It’s the value I’m getting out of it. I’m not really into the latest and greatest AAA games. I don’t see titles such as My Summer Car, Euro Truck Simulator 2, DCS World, Factorio, Elite Dangerous, IL2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad, Europa Universalis 4, Final Fantasy 14 or Space Engineers supporting RTX features anytime soon. Heck, my 1080ti is already overkill for 90-95% of my Steam library. I’ll pass.

Value, IMO, is all important.

Nvidia is really playing into their advantage here. If they are right, they will make so much miney. But if they are wrong...

And if they have misjudged the backlash they will get if these cards prove to benchmark not much faster than the last generation.

The way I see it, is that there are people out there who are growing very weary of being bilked insane amounts of money for piddling performance improvements, first from sIntel and now nVidia. To me, it is easy to liken this to cord cutters. The value on each successive generation of silicon is diminishing in comparison to the prices.

There are people out there that I am sure will have to have these new cards and will pay any price for them, however, those who will actually use them will, as I see it, most likely be in the professional arena and will not buy these consumer cards.