Nvidia rumored to launch RTX 4090 first, RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 to follow

NeoMorpheus

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amd is doing the same thing. or would do the same thing if they ever compete in the gpu market. with only 2 gpu makers this is what you get. not enough competition.
Doing it right now? No, since they don't have a US$2k GPU.

Not enough competition? That I agree and doing a whataboutism like you, but AMD is still not as dirty and corrupt as Nvidia and Intel, so they keep getting my money, since it's the least evil of the 3.
 

NeoMorpheus

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I've been thinking for awhile that nVidia is trying to normalize.
Nah, they are pulling another page from Jobs, rising the price until even the most devout cult member complaints, then set that as the new baseline.
 

Dimitriid

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Well, it could mean that, and it could also mean that nVidia has been keeping the price high on purpose and that their customers did not lap up the cards like they thought that they would, and instead of dropping price due to lower demand, they decided to hold the line.

This is true, yet I feel it would be even *more* reason to suspect the 3000 high end cards will just vanish from the market the moment the 4090 officially launches as it would show that Nvidia values the long term more than immediate sells by intentionally constraining supply to keep the prices as high as they want them to be: immediately halting 3080 sales when the 4090 launches would basically be the exact same tactic: manipulate the supply of cards to make sure as many people as possible decide to just puny up for a 4090 instead of settling for a 3080.
 

poohbear

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The rest of your post was good but I LOL'd hard on this line.



lol so you know this guys employment history from a single post?

Can you give me tonight's lotto's numbers from your magic crystal ball there?
well, 8 billion people in the world. Lets say the wealthy are 0.1% of that. That's 80 million people to whom $2k for a graphics card is peanuts.

If $2k is expensive for you, then you're not the target audience. Just get a 4060 or 4070 like the rest of us. It's really that simple.
 
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pcnthuziast

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I love irony. Adults complaining about expensive toys they can't get is a meme. The commonly believed and utterly void enthusiast propaganda, the idea of future proof. Better to find the game first. That is to say, a game you're really crazy about. How well does it run on what you already have and what are your goals? Spend around that and wait if you have to. If you have a hard price ceiling you just have to sometimes. You could luck out and find something early on, but in case not just wait. Having such an insatiable lust to buy what amounts to a toy and being so genuinely angry about it, doesn't actually do anything. Other than break you down. Too many games out there to explore that don't have mega system spec requirements.
 

Freddie159

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There's no point responding to such people, they do not have, cannot be bothered to work so they can have, and will therefore perpetually whinge about not having.

Poohbear is not wrong in what he's saying but that he forgot about the people that can't or don't want to spend $2k for a graphics card to play games, Nvidia seems to have forgotten about the 'working man' in it's endeavor to be #1 and that could end up being it's downfall as it will lose it's retail base and their sales will be mostly 2nd and 3rd party sites of which they get nada from!! Sure businesses and even crypto miners will gobble these things up but again that means no secondary market sales for Nvidia. Car dealers learned long ago you MUST make new shiny objects all the time but you must make things that the 'working man' will buy as well and you will make ALOT more money off of them in the long run!!
 

Lionvibez

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well, 8 billion people in the world. Lets say the wealthy are 0.1% of that. That's 80 million people to whom $2k for a graphics card is peanuts.

If $2k is expensive for you, then you're not the target audience. Just get a 4060 or 4070 like the rest of us. It's really that simple.
lol again you are killing it with these post boss.

How do you know what 80 million people can afford?

How do you know I cannot afford to spend to 2k on a graphics cards?
 
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DZillaXx

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Remember the days where you could get a high end GPU for under 500 bucks.

I will say that Nvidia keeps making bigger and bigger chips, and their highest end cards do continue to keep getting more power hungry. Which is a good thing. But there is a limit here, and the bigger and more power hungry you make a single chip the cost skyrockets. Pricing has gotten out of hand.

There is no reason why we can't get 3080ti levels of performance for $500.

Sadly AMD has no plans other than to compete pricewise compared to the prices set by Nvidia. With no plans to massively undercut like they used to in the past.

Hopefully Intel can knock some sense back into this market. I have zero faith in their products being able to compete in performance per watt compared to AMD or Nvidia. But honestly they don't need to, as long as it can compete in a performance per $$ metric I'm okay with that.
 

Lionvibez

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Remember the days where you could get a high end GPU for under 500 bucks.

I will say that Nvidia keeps making bigger and bigger chips, and their highest end cards do continue to keep getting more power hungry. Which is a good thing. But there is a limit here, and the bigger and more power hungry you make a single chip the cost skyrockets. Pricing has gotten out of hand.

There is no reason why we can't get 3080ti levels of performance for $500.

Sadly AMD has no plans other than to compete pricewise compared to the prices set by Nvidia. With no plans to massively undercut like they used to in the past.

Hopefully Intel can knock some sense back into this market. I have zero faith in their products being able to compete in performance per watt compared to AMD or Nvidia. But honestly they don't need to, as long as it can compete in a performance per $$ metric I'm okay with that.
Sadly those days are long gone I remember buying a 9700pro on launch day for $500.
 

poohbear

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Are you really that ******?

If the top halo GPU is $2k or more, the entire lineup is marked up and more expensive, not just one GPU...

That's the issue, the more they go up in price with the best GPU, the more the lower tiers follow upwards too, SO NO it's not really that simple.

No GPU for regular consumers/gamers (not pro-sumers or severs) is ok at $2000, no matter what company sticker it has (nvidia, AMD, intel). There is no debate about that, there is only ignorance and stupidity to support such a thing.

The amount of crazy in this world is surpassing Hollywood movies levels.

How old are you? Prices will ALWAYS go up year after year. It's called inflation. When you've lived a few decades this will no longer surprise you. You could buy a very decent midrange car for $15k-$20k back in the 2000s. Now they cost about $30-$40k.

Besides inflation, there's simple supply & demand dynamics. If there is a demographic that can afford to pay $2k for top of the line graphics cards, then Nvidia & AMD & their board partners will gladly charge that. Especially when there's more demand than supply (the semiconductor shortage is expected to continue into 2023).

I don't lose my $hit when I see a Ferrari or Bentley on the street. I recognize there are people for whom a $200k+ car is affordable, and I wouldn't fault the car companies for making such vehicles. Publicly traded companies aren't charities, nor is "affordable graphics cards" that high on Amnesty International's Human rights list.

Again, there are options for you. Get a 4060 or the AMD equivalent, which is more than enough for most. Is it gonna be the same price as a 3060 from 2 years ago? No. There's gonna be a $60-$80 premium. With annual inflation at 8% the past 2 years, that's not shocking.
 
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DZillaXx

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How old are you? Prices will ALWAYS go up year after year. It's called inflation. When you've lived a few decades this will no longer surprise you. You could buy a very decent midrange car for $15k-$20k back in the 2000s. Now they cost about $30-$40k.

Besides inflation, there's simple supply & demand dynamics. If there is a demographic that can afford to pay $2k for top of the line graphics cards, then Nvidia & AMD & their board partners will gladly charge that. Especially when there's more demand than supply (the semiconductor shortage is expected to continue into 2023).

I don't lose my $hit when I see a Ferrari or Bentley on the street. I recognize there are people for whom a $200k+ car is affordable, and I wouldn't fault the car companies for making such vehicles. Publicly traded companies aren't charities, nor is "affordable graphics cards" that high on Amnesty International's Human rights list.

Again, there are options for you. Get a 4060 or the AMD equivalent, which is more than enough for most. Is it gonna be the same price as a 3060 from 2 years ago? No. There's gonna be a $60-$80 premium. With annual inflation at 8% the past 2 years, that's not shocking.
Electronics don't normally rise in prices like that, and at scale they tend to get cheaper over time. Hence the reason we can buy a 70" TV for cheap, when a decade ago it would have been a couple grad for a budget model.

I have no issue with top tier cards being expensive. They can price those out of avg hands if there is a market for it.

But like I said before, 3080ti performance should have no issue being $500. So if a 4060 offers 3080ti performance and retails for $500. Kudos to Nvidia.

What sucks is the same/near same performance for more money. Why is a GTX1080 or 1080ti still so relevant in performance today. Why do I need to spend so much to improve past that generation. Performance per $$ has gotten out of control, it is horrible. Sure Prices are coming back down, but Performance per $$ is still crap compared to what it was even with inflation calculated in.
 

Endymio

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Electronics don't normally rise in prices like that, and at scale they tend to get cheaper over time.
Only because you've lived your entire life in a period where, thanks to Moore's Law, electronics have managed to defy the natural laws of economics. Laws which now are reasserting themself.

Of course, the pandemic and the rise of crypto-mining both played their own parts as well, and, since Moore is still gasping along on life support, we'll can expect to see a few more serious performance/price bumps. But nothing lasts forever.
 

Watzupken

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I actually don't see anything wrong with Nvidia releasing the RTX xx90 series first. Price is expected to go up across the entire range just by virtue that Nvidia is no longer using some budget node (like Samsung 10nm) to produce their GPUs. Based on rumors, they've switched to the most cutting edge node from the "charge all they want" TSMC. Also, the xx90 and xx80 Ti were historically for a small group of enthusiasts who are willing to spend that kind of money for a GPU. RTX 3090 and 3080 were selling very well only because people were buying it for scalping or to miners buying them up.

This time round buyers need to be aware that there will be significant upgrade cost since people that are going to buy a RTX 4090 may need to upgrade their PSU and even custom cool it due to the immense power requirement.
 
Hello, I'm an Nvidia shareholder, like many others that visit this site. I'm not old, I buy shares on my phone app and started investing just before the pandemic. Their duty as a company is to make profits from their endeavors, research and passions. There is nothing wrong with this at all.

When you buy earbuds for $100, people in developing countries and the homeless think you're being absurd and frivolous in your spending. Likewise, there are lots of people (in the millions) for whom $2000 for a graphics cards is a reasonable purchase. Nothing wrong with any of this.

Made this account just to tell you there are plenty of things wrong with it. The cycle of a growth economy enforced by capitalism stretches the market to it's limits and I say limits because there are in fact limits. Instead of adding wealth to society you're restributing it to fewer parties by participating in it. You're part of the problem.
 
When you sell your own house, your car, or your stock portfolio for even one penny less than the absolute maximum the market will bear, come back and talk to us.

Trading is a fair distribution in society for wealth. You're not taking stuff from people. Asking the highest price as a non-1%'er is a necessity when the wealth gap is as big as Nvidia's ego.
 

Endymio

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The cycle of a growth economy enforced by capitalism stretches the market to it's [sic] limits and I say limits because there are in fact limits.
That "Society of Rome" alarmism pretty much all died out in the 1970s ...and for good reason. The limits to growth are set by available energy and raw materials ... and while those limits do indeed exist, we're not even one-thousandth of one percent of the way towards exhausting them.

Instead of adding wealth to society you're restributing [sic] it to fewer parties by participating in it. You're part of the problem.
I strongly suggest a primer on economics. When a consumer exchanges money for a product, he enriches himself - that's his entire motivation for engaging in the transaction. He values the product more than its purchase price -- or, more precisely, more than the amount of labor he expended to earn that purchase price. If you research the concept of "transactional utility", you'll understand this better.
 
I'd like to see Nvidia put out an RTX 4099i that lists for $5999 just to see the economic illiterate, socialist wannabes, anti-free market pantywaists hair catch on fire. I'm sure they're all on board for cancelling student debt too, and at the same time wondering/complaining that gas prices have gone up 167% in less than 2 years.