Parallel Universe: A list of alternatives to all Google products

OutlawCecil

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The more people like you talk this way, the closer we become to loosing it all. If you are not going to fight for our freedoms and liberties, I wish you would simply be quiet and not say anything.

You sir, clearly have never written software. Analytics are an amazing tool to have. It's only the paranoid folk who blow it way out of proportion that make it a bad thing. You, are one of these people... Without analytics, software companies would be blind as to how people use their software, and what issues their software is having. Aka they would have no idea what to work on other than using random folk who contact support directly. This results in crappy software nobody wants. Any reputable successful software will have some sort of analytics, I guarantee you.
 

cliffordcooley

Posts: 12,739   +6,106
You sir, clearly have never written software. Analytics are an amazing tool to have.
You have taken this off topic as far as I'm concerned. What you speak of is completely different than tracking with data collection. Software development is fine but data farming doesn't stop there.
 

OutlawCecil

Posts: 739   +570
You have taken this off topic as far as I'm concerned. What you speak of is completely different than tracking with data collection. Software development is fine but data farming doesn't stop there.

Go back and read my initial comment that YOU replied to. It's not off topic, I've been talking about analytics this whole time. Data collection IS analytics.
 

Tanstar

Posts: 659   +201
The one possibility that I found the most interesting was that advertising simply does not work. To me, that makes the whole idea of advertising a fallacy, and gagme's reliance on it only reinforces that fallacy. In this case, a real "fake news" type of situation.
Best hope advertisers (the people buying the ads) don't ever agree with you in large, or the free web will be over. The only way to pay for websites with actual paid staff will be a paywall to enter them.

I know TechSpot offers a paid version with no ads. How many people are participating in that? I'm genuinely curious how that experiment is going.

Overall though, the internet can't survive as it is without lots of money being poured into the ads. Maybe eventually (as streaming video and the net merge) you will get a package of websites with your NetFlix or Hulu account (or more likely, you'll get Netflix and a package of websites with your Comcast or Disney subscription), but any site not directly subsidized by your streamer/provider would have to charge a subscription fee to stay in business.[/QUOTE]
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 5,902   +4,140
You mention all these things that Google does as negatives, but for my small business all the data they collect and info at my fingertips is a wet dream!!!!!!!!! Is google gonna use my stuff maliciously? I very much doubt it. They're a public company and just want to increase their revenue like all businesses.
Have you been able to link that data to sales?
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 5,902   +4,140
I wish you would have started off by telling me to put on my tinfoil hat before reading this article
Well, if you did not have your Tin Foil hat on before you started reading this article, then you have to consider the possibility that you were unprepared to read it. ;)
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 5,902   +4,140
You sir, clearly have never written software. Analytics are an amazing tool to have. It's only the paranoid folk who blow it way out of proportion that make it a bad thing. You, are one of these people... Without analytics, software companies would be blind as to how people use their software, and what issues their software is having. Aka they would have no idea what to work on other than using random folk who contact support directly. This results in crappy software nobody wants. Any reputable successful software will have some sort of analytics, I guarantee you.
Feedback is where customer service departments come in. I develop software and our company gets feedback directly from our customers.
 
S

senketsu

The free, top notch services (gmail, chrome, etc.) you are using daily.
but I don't use those services...…….
edit: I do watch/listen to YouTube though, but no sign in
 
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JordLevy

Posts: 52   +15
Good thing they don't have something like an automated tool meant to search fields of haystacks for one single needle in particular...

The point I'm making is that why would anyone want to? I think people have to realize that generally speaking individuals aren't that interesting. If any of your data really is used it's usually in very broad analytical studies rather than looking up what you searched on Tuesday at 19:03. Personally I think people have this belief that the world revolves around them when in fact it really doesn't. That's my two cents though.
 

regiq

Posts: 237   +113
The point I'm making is that why would anyone want to? I think people have to realize that generally speaking individuals aren't that interesting. If any of your data really is used it's usually in very broad analytical studies rather than looking up what you searched on Tuesday at 19:03. Personally I think people have this belief that the world revolves around them when in fact it really doesn't. That's my two cents though.

The picture of some human operator checking your search history - that people get when hearing about digital surveillance - is false of course. Unless you get marked by some agency (or a hacker) for some unclear reason - when it becomes way to easy to browse through the gathered data (PRISM, xkeyscore etc.)

The problem for average Joe is that all this data is used to profile, label, make decisions about, even manipulate him (at least by serving "personalized" view of the world) - all automated, according to some hidden algorithms (AI?). Most likely with a large probability of error and without a way to appeal.

Technology made it to easy, so why not use it if it maximizes profits?

BTW this month was 5th anniversary: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/04/edward-snowden-people-still-powerless-but-aware
 
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