PayPal stops processing payments for "over a hundred thousand" Pornhub performers

wizardB

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I know this post will cause the risk of this thread going political, (which you've obviously started).

But, the Republicans are starting massive "overturn Roe v. Wade", and trying to pass laws with outright abortion bans in many, many states. IMO, the "Republicans" siding with the "right to life" crazies, is a far worse evil.

Why can't we have our guns, smoke weed, and allow our women to have the right to choose, all in the same President and party?

Oh wait, that would be a Utopian fantasy, sorry for bringing it up... :rolleyes:
you do realize that's it's third-trimester abortion they are stopping, which are basically murder unlike abortions in the first two trimesters.
 

Evernessince

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You do realize that PayPal's owners are massive supporters of the Dems and have gone out of their way to block payments to GOP supporting sites, don't you? So instead of getting on your lefty high horse just look in the mirror and thank your santimonious self.
I've googled the topic and I have seen zero indication that PayPal plays sides. There are a lot of articles from extremist right wing sites complaining about paypal refusing to serve certain groups but PayPal has provided clear reasoning in each case


Those who organized the alt-right rallies in charlottesville used paypal to collect donations. Just like any other business (as shown in this article) Paypal reserves the right to stop the processing of payments for any entity that violates it's TOS. In this case they CLEARLY violated paypal's AUP.


Ditto goes for alex jones.

If these are the kind of people the GOP support, the old saying "birds of a feather flock together" couldn't be any more true.

you do realize that's it's third-trimester abortion they are stopping, which are basically murder unlike abortions in the first two trimesters.
You don't ban late-term abortions by defunding education and abortion centers, which is the GOP playbook. You don't ban late term abortions by tricking people with "pregnancy crisis centers", which pose as services to help, when in reality they do not.
 
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captaincranky

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you do realize that's it's third-trimester abortion they are stopping, which are basically murder unlike abortions in the first two trimesters.
No, actually they're trying to stop all abortions, along with giving fetuses the same rights as a living breathing person. Check the the abortion bill the Rubelicans are trying to foist off on Ohio.

These people in power are merely pandering to the fringe far right loone- tunes for votes. Obviously the people in the so called "bible belt", are buying into this crap.

Since you want to defend the people who are starting riots outside of women's clinics, how about if you, "put you money where your mouth is,", and pick up the tab for raising these kids. And keep in mind, that when you breed genetically defective, fat, ugly, and stupid with the same, you;re not going to get Albert Einstein as a stepchild.

If you're one of those people who fantasizes that human offspring don't follow the genetic laws of the animal kingdom, I truly feel sorry for you.

There is a long list of genetic defects in the human genome caused in large part by perennial inbreeding. I'll list Tay Sachs and sickle cell anemia as just a couple of examples..
 
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cliffordcooley

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For the most part this is true. Still someone needs to support the people making the content.
I'd argue the word needs. Anyone that needs porn has bigger problems to worry about. Therefor support for porn is less than needed. The performers desire to be paid is just that a desire. Their services are not needed.
 

captaincranky

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I'd argue the word needs. Anyone that needs porn has bigger problems to worry about. Therefor support for porn is less than needed. The performers desire to be paid is just that a desire. Their services are not needed.
Well, I'd argue that we've abandoned Puritanism hundreds of years ago.
"Need", is by nature a term of degree. I. "need" to know what's going on in the country, so I watch the national news. If I miss it, I'll survive.

"Porn" itself is an overly comprehensive term applied to human nudity and sexual interaction.

However, I consider simple nude photography as "erotic art". As a matter of course, I delete any anatomical "detail" shots, and shots without the woman's face present. At that point, the so called "porn", becomes, "nude environmental portraiture", nothing more.

If an individual is prudish enough to only make love to their partner in the dark, I feel sorry for them.

The Amish allow their teenage children free reign to experience the world's pleasures unrestricted, and then ask them to choose between the secular world, or return to their much more restrictive, isolated, and devoutly religious community.

I kind of think that should apply to young porn stars as well, to be allowed to rejoin. "polite society", without any stigma attached.

What humans glorify as "spring fever", is in reality better described as "Homo sapiens' mating season".

Given that looks and bravado are displayed among animals desiring to mate, (the male peacock being a prime example), nobody should disparage a youthful person from displaying their sexual attractiveness.

And face it, sex is, of course, better in the nude. (Unless of course you're trying to copulate in a parked car).. ;)
 
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treetops

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Would I rather my child die then be a sex slave and or live in a torture chamber. Yes. Under normal circumstances with no religion as any kind of consideration I would not be able to live with myself extinguishing a healthy being for no good reason.

Side note, One version of torture might be close to everyday life to someone in a third world country. Or a slave\peon\prisoner from a few hundred years ago.

p.s. Butt considering I've taken some pretty painful shits, I can only imagine the pain of birthing a child.
 
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Evernessince

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I'd argue the word needs. Anyone that needs porn has bigger problems to worry about. Therefor support for porn is less than needed. The performers desire to be paid is just that a desire. Their services are not needed.
I was more arguing in the sense that in order for those services to exist, someone needs to pay the bills. I would also argue that these services represent a small portion of the economy, which without jobs would be lost that would have a ripple effect.

I was not arguing the philosophy of the matter.
 

Yynxs

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Just another attempt by conservative religious nutjobs to try and dictate how people live their lives and spend their money.
lol..you do understand that paypal is not remotely run by Christian Conservatives or Conservatives for that matter? Have you not been following the news about 'defunding' and who gets and was defunded?

https://prepforthat.com/paypal-censorship-creates-problems-for-free-speech/

I did a search for who paypal has defunded and that was fun. Simply looking for Paypal Defunds got me 3 pages of explanations of paypal refunds. Focusing by "defunds" gave me one article on paypal, a twitter feed, and a bunch of articles on the feds and states defunding planned parenthood. Restating "Companies paypal defunded" got articles on finding a small business loan and down a bit the 'censorship' article linked above.

Paypal is a 600 billion dollar industry worldwide. You would think that the expertise level of techspot people would create some startups to eat into that green sandwich.
just sayin'
 

Yynxs

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I've googled the topic and I have seen zero indication that PayPal plays sides. There are a lot of articles from extremist right wing sites complaining about paypal refusing to serve certain groups but PayPal has provided clear reasoning in each case


Those who organized the alt-right rallies in charlottesville used paypal to collect donations. Just like any other business (as shown in this article) Paypal reserves the right to stop the processing of payments for any entity that violates it's TOS. In this case they CLEARLY violated paypal's AUP.


Ditto goes for alex jones.

If these are the kind of people the GOP support, the old saying "birds of a feather flock together" couldn't be any more true.

You don't ban late-term abortions by defunding education and abortion centers, which is the GOP playbook. You don't ban late term abortions by tricking people with "pregnancy crisis centers", which pose as services to help, when in reality they do not.
you 'googled' it. that's a good one.
 

Yynxs

TS Addict
No, actually they're trying to stop all abortions, along with giving fetuses the same rights as a living breathing person. Check the the abortion bill the Rubelicans are trying to foist off on Ohio.

These people in power are merely pandering to the fringe far right loone- tunes for votes. Obviously the people in the so called "bible belt", are buying into this crap.

Since you want to defend the people who are starting riots outside of women's clinics, how about if you, "put you money where your mouth is,", and pick up the tab for raising these kids. And keep in mind, that when you breed genetically defective, fat, ugly, and stupid with the same, you;re not going to get Albert Einstein as a stepchild.

If you're one of those people who fantasizes that human offspring don't follow the genetic laws of the animal kingdom, I truly feel sorry for you.

There is a long list of genetic defects in the human genome caused in large part by perennial inbreeding. I'll list Tay Sachs and sickle cell anemia as just a couple of examples..
Now which 'progressive' was it that said those same things...? Oh yeah, the founder (sorry the person who's writing they based it on) of planned parenthood. In her own words: http://www.dianedew.com /sanger.htm
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

Read all the history and all the views. Then make conversation or comments.
 

captaincranky

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Now which 'progressive' was it that said those same things...? Oh yeah, the founder of planned parenthood. In her own words:
You really don't get it, do you?

Trump is stacking SCOTUS with uber conservative strict constructionist justices.

One of the principle things on his and his cronies hope to accomplish is the overturning of "Roe v.Wade", the decision on which modern abortion laws are predicated. Should that happen, all abortion would automatically be illegal, at the federal level.

The wind up of it is, I'm not quoting anybody, and you haven'r a clue what you're talking about.
So, with Roe v Wade gone, it would set back a woman's right to choose at least 60, if not more years. Plain spoken, we'd be back in the sleazy hotel room and coat hanger DIY abortion era.

And like I said, if your're so hell bent on limiting a woman's right to choose, put your money where your mouth is, and save a couple dozen unwanted children by adopting them. Hell, you could always apply for SSI ,food stamps, and Section 8 housing. That's exactly what's going on in our inner cities, why shouldn't you take advantage of it?

So, what's stopping you, if you don't mind me asking?

The trouble is, the people in the very principled "bible belt states" are too stupid to realize it's their wallets being raped to fund the whole process.

In the meantime, I suggest you spend a bit more time on finding out what's going on the the real world, and not what you imagine or bend to suit your need to spew uber left wing nonsense.
 
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Yynxs

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I've also got and had a business account with them for a long time. They do stupid things all the time with their policies but never have I seen them get into politics.
Here's an "alt-right" article-Breitbart: https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/06/25/robert-epstein-google-is-a-totalitarian-entity-way-beyond-monopoly/

Here's plain old Project Veritas: https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/

Tellingly, Dems are getting on the privacy bandwagon. It is a cascade methodolgy. Knowing how people think, what they are doing, what they are involved and not involved in allows message tailoring. Whether AI allows significant message tailoring enough to sway the informed remains to be seen.

There is almost a separate industry now cataloging what Google and the rest of the alt-left tech firms are doing. If you take the time, you can chase down other links and other political activism from and within google and see what the MSM says about them. Maybe you can believe them.

However, if you're googling google errors and you're satisfied with the response, honestly, nothing will change your mind.
 

Yynxs

TS Addict
You really don't get it, do you?

Trump is stacking SCOTUS with uber conservative strict constructionist justices.

One of the principle things on his and his cronies hope to accomplish is the overturning of "Roe v.Wade", the decision on which modern abortion laws are predicated. Should that happen, all abortion would automatically be illegal, at the federal level.

The wind up of it is, I'm not quoting anybody, and you haven'r a clue what you're talking about.
So, with Roe v Wade gone, it would set back a woman's right to choose at least 60, if not more years. Plain spoken, we'd be back in the sleazy hotel room and coat hanger DIY abortion era.

And like I said, if your're so hell bent on limiting a woman's right to choose, put your money where your mouth is, and save a couple dozen unwanted children by adopting them. Hell, you could always apply for SSI ,food stamps, and Section 8 housing. That's exactly what's going on in our inner cities, why shouldn't you take advantage of it?

So, what's stopping you, if you don't mind me asking?

The trouble is, the people in the very principled "bible belt states" are too stupid to realize it's their wallets being raped to fund the whole process.

In the meantime, I suggest you spend a bit more time on finding out what's going on the the real world, and not what you imagine or bend to suit your need to spew uber left wing nonsense.
Hard to know where to begin. Your recognition of partisanship in judges or your automatic assumption partisanship should only work in favor of the issues you approve of. You rant about Roe v Wade being overturned but you ignore what Roe v Wade was about: privacy. You presume, just basically presume, that taxpayers should pay for womens' reproduction control. You mentioned Ohio and what the Republican voters want to do as if they have no right to say because you have a say. It's slightly unreal that, as an American, you don't see your own relationship to Ms Sanger and the need to control others, especially outside the ballot box.

As for "...limiting a woman's right to choose...", when did you hear me say a woman had to have sex with someone; leaving alone the issues of unprotected sex or the woman's choice in birth control failing. And, after the, (according to history and the equal rights amendments and feminism independent responsible voting) woman's failure to protect herself from insemination you state I'm morally unequipped to comment unless I adopt the offspring of a number of womens' bad decisions? Does no one ever hold you responsible for the ramifications of what you say?

I was in the midst of womens' wholesale introduction into the Air Force and spent my time in equality training classes. Since I have 3 sisters and knew how tough they were, I held the women I worked with to the same standards. Equal pay for equal work has a converse if you're getting equal pay, you better be doing equal work such as walking a hazardous fence line in the dark security patrolling. That got me lectured on the differences between men and women and the limitations those differences mean. My answers stays the same to this day, either women are responsible for themselves or they are not. The older paternalistic view like yours, say they're not. I'm not sure you understand that is what you're saying.

I had a whole separate section written to include the number and makeup of the children aborted but it rings of propaganda and you're propagandized enough based on your comments. There was no 'uber left' mentioned. This woman's writings were what inspired Planned Parenthood. As Project Veritas and others have shown, there are real life results affecting millions of lives and deaths based on Planned Parenthoods extrapolation and implementation of her writing. One of my sisters got pregnant 'out of wedlock' at 18 and has a 50 year old son who never saw or met his father. Another sister was getting married in a month and went on the pill in the 70s and was dead 14 days later from blood clots. I have a handle on and a recognition of the issues involved. You need to read a lot more and maybe get an understanding of the issues facing ALL the women you're purporting to represent when you talk about Roe v Wade and coat hangers. They're not as simple as catch phrases and blaming Trump and they were argued about long before Reagan

Although this seems a long way from Paypal, it does exemplify the results of controlling the political narrative by Paypal, the tech companies and the media. I've considered Capt Cranky reasonably well informed on the issues we encounter at Techspot. On this fraction of this issue he brought up, I don't. I blame Paypal for not funding porn.
 

captaincranky

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As for "...limiting a woman's right to choose...", when did you hear me say a woman had to have sex with someone; leaving alone the issues of unprotected sex or the woman's choice in birth control failing. And, after the, (according to history and the equal rights amendments and feminism independent responsible voting) woman's failure to protect herself from insemination you state I'm morally unequipped to comment unless I adopt the offspring of a number of womens' bad decisions? Does no one ever hold you responsible for the ramifications of what you say? ...{ ]....
So then what you're saying it is the woman's sole responsibility for appropriate birth control, and men have no responsibility for not, "sowing their seed" wherever they, want, can, and feel the need?

They're not as simple as catch phrases and blaming Trump and they were argued about long before Reagan.
Considering I'm 70 yeas old, all you're really doing is stating the obvious Trump is ,the latest, and dare I say mouthiest, opponent of abortion I've seen in my lifetime.

Although this seems a long way from Paypal, it does exemplify the results of controlling the political narrative by Paypal, the tech companies and the media. I've considered Capt Cranky reasonably well informed on the issues we encounter at Techspot. On this fraction of this issue he brought up, I don't. I blame Paypal for not funding porn.
I could care less whether or not Paypal will deliver funds to porn workers. But I certainly hope they can find another route to receive their just and hard earned compensation (**) All of the opinions I hold on abortion, have most certainly not been formed by reading whoever it is that you're quoting. I've never heard of her until .you mentioned her. :confused:

My opinions were formed decades ago, listening to the religious right argue in favor of not funding abortions on religious grounds.

What confused me was this; firstly, the church (any church), is supposedly separate from the state, not to mention depriving of poor women of the right to choose, will simply cause you to pay for the self same children until at minimum, 18 years of age. The religious right for all intents and purposes, shot itself in the foot, or in the wallet, if you prefer.

What your sister achieved is certainly laudable, but the fact remains, the values instilled in you and your sisters by your parents are worlds apart from what goes on in single family households today, particularly in the inner cities.

Through various misadventures of my own making, I never did, and never will, be able to take advantage of the "white flight" paradigm of years past.

Thus my opinions may be indeed tinged by propaganda a bit, but trust me, most of what I believe is from first hand observation and many unpleasant interactions.

When apparently you and I went to school, the kidz weren't packing 9 mm pistols in their lunch pails, nor did our after school activities involve slinging bags of crack.

In fact, I've seen a woman who receives full section 8 funding for her house, (and every other government subsidy), in the middle of the street collecting money from a reluctant drug buyer for her grandson, who sold the drugs in the first place..But were you to ask, she'd tell you she's doing the right thing, by showing the kid the ropes. So, today's values are completely twisted by any stretch of our provincial upbringing's understanding.

To summarize, your value system, is not the prevailing value system of today, and IMO, you may be well meaning, but you're completely out of touch with today's morality.

As for "how we got here", you posted something political, and I took the bait.

To quote an old comedy record, "when two people are holding hands, it's hard to tell whose hand is sweating.

In case we reach this point again, (and I suspect we might), I measure man's behaviors, goals, actions, and motivations, against those of the animal kingdom. At the end of the day, if you strike the fantasy of god creating us on the 6th day, and ignore the excuses our super ego is always making for us while greatly magnifying our worth, we are naught but the nastiest apex predator to ever walk the earth. Verifiably we are consuming ourselves out of house, home, food and even planet. So yes, I firmly believe it's long past time for thinning the herd.

(**) Emboldened to emphasize we're still on topic....well, sort of.
 
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Yynxs

TS Addict
So then what you're saying it is the woman's sole responsibility for appropriate birth control, and men have no responsibility for not, "sowing their seed" wherever they, want, can, and feel the need?
No. I'm saying the women's sole responsibility is choosing when and whether to have sex or not. Equality is a very sharp Damoclean way for women. Women are inordinately punished (or rewarded if prefer the glass half full view) by Nature for the 'freedom' to enjoy pleasure and succumb to biological urges, and they are supposed to be the urges, not the requirements of their bodies. The cascade of societal controls based on the single idea women cannot control themselves when 'seduced' is embedded in our laws and exemplified in parental and some religious attempts to totally control their freedom to associate with males outside of matrimony.

One of those cascades is the social attitude about sex workers displaying themselves and results in Paypal defunding. When and where body freedom starts, who benefits, and who (if you look at zygotes as becoming human sometime before birth) are punished is another. People paint themselves moral and political influence seeking organizations like (or along with) Paypal based on the idea the woman is not responsible enough.

Even my belief they are responsible enough is tempered by knowing there is a range of ability to understand physical (let alone societal and religious) consequences among women. If I have to choose equality for women because that is what they want, my response is to say, stop painting this single issue as a single issue unless you're prepared to look at all the issues that have and will cascade from your painting. Few people want to look at what 'choice' means in the larger world of real equality. Freedom always has consequences.
 

poohbear

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Lmao how the hell did this turn into a political debate??? talk about a thread hijacking! Don't imprison yourself into these "liberal" vs "conservative" paradigms. There are some things you're liberal about, and others that you're conservative about. Nobody is "liberal" or "conservative" about everything!