Speak for yourself. Not everyone has money to throwaway on a new graphics card and other pc parts every 4 months just to get an optimized experience. That 250$ + is a car payment, utility bill, or savings that we would like to invest elsewhere. Just because you have a preference for something doesn't mean you have to be a colossal douche about it.
PlayStation 5, Xbox Two may arrive sooner than you think
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Speak for yourself. Not everyone has money to throwaway on a new graphics card and other pc parts every 4 months just to get an optimized experience. That 250$ + is a car payment, utility bill, or savings that we would like to invest elsewhere. Just because you have a preference for something doesn't mean you have to be a colossal douche about it.
Squid Surprise
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That's 8 years... NOT 7...
Here's the rest of the NA release dates...
Xbox - 2001
Xbox 360 - 2005
Xbox One - 2013
Playstation - 1995
PS2 - 2000
PS3 - 2006
PS4 - 2013
Sega Master System - 1986
Sega Genesis - 1990 (32X 1992)
Sega Saturn - 1995
Dreamcast - 1999
The ONLY 7 year span is the PS3-PS4.... I fail to see how this now means that the average console life is 7 years....
Let's get some facts straight before we post, ok?
Nero7
Posts: 498 +237
LOL back in the day I said that I wont get a PS4 until its backwards compatible. Had plenty of people like you come by to tell me how much of a silly fantasy that is. I wonder how you manage to leave the house at all. Ow noes you'd have to get up and open the door first! Living in the real world with psychics is hard!!!
I'll think of you in a few years when the first consoles with dual GPU addon come. Or not, who cares.
Apart from the sad fact that the Xbox360 is about on par with the Wii U when it comes to graphical fidelity. The Wii was so poor it made Gamecube games look great. But hey it was backwards compatible so there's that.
Yes of course there was backwards compatibility, because if you actually seen the hardware it was designed that way. Same as the Wii U to support Wii, they couldn't see means to extend back further. At least without seriously over-complicating things, which would likely make the console more expensive while not improving a whole lot. Chips specifically for those consoles, were put into the design of the next console.
Also everyone's so obsessed with graphical quality, it's getting out of hand and people complain why games have a movie sized budget. We don't need super realistic everything, what's to push beyond that then? This is why games are struggling to push high resolution options, because people demand everything be another Crysis or such.
Emexrulsier
Posts: 619 +92
Exactly "bang for buck" a console can run circles of immense fire around a PC. You try and play fallout 4 on a PC for 259 quid it aint going to happen. But then you try and rape a PC gamer in cod with the far superior mouse and keyboard combo and your going to be very sore
. And yes PCs can do great things but it does come out a price. One of my 980ti alone cost almost the same price as you can pick up a ps4 AND an xbox one together 
Based on what we have heard about Nvidias new Pascal GPU, its possible that they might finally have a single card 4k gaming solution that makes playing with ultra settings at 4k smoothly, possible. Of course the problem is that in 2-3 years we will be seeing the the first TVs that offer 8k resolution arrive on the scene.
So why does it matter if 8k TVs are starting to sell when the new Xbox and Playstation get released? Well, it matters because people want to be able to use the hardware they have instead of just a small portion of it. Its why so many console gamers are upset that they can't actually use the potential of their 4k TVs
Face it, the speed of technology development is moving at an incredible pace and that pace is getting faster all the time. Within the next 20 years we will be seeing the first light based super computers arrive that are as much as 1 million times more powerful than todays fastest super computers. We will see the development of the 12k-32k TVs. We will see the first true quantum computers arrive, which will make things like medical research exponentially faster. Computers will be in everything and a chip that costs $300 today will cost about $0.01. We will put them in everything and simply throw them away because at $0.01 they are disposable. There are so many advances that are coming, I just hope that I live long enough to see these many of these new technologies arrive
Squid Surprise
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1080p TVs were out many many years before consoles could play at that resolution.... didn't stop people from buying them...
People are buying 4k TVs now... AND still buying PS4/XBOX1....
Existing graphics/processor tech will be what decides the capabilities of the next gen console, not TV resolutions....
As most consoles tend to upgrade resolution each generation, I would hazard a guess that the next generation of consoles won't come out until they can play at 4k.... which means at least a few years - even if the next pascal top-of-the-line GPU can handle smooth 4k (which I doubt but we won't know until it happens), it will not be cost-effective for a console...
There needs to be a MID-LEVEL card that can support 4k smoothly before next-gen consoles can come out and play...
People are buying 4k TVs now... AND still buying PS4/XBOX1....
Existing graphics/processor tech will be what decides the capabilities of the next gen console, not TV resolutions....
As most consoles tend to upgrade resolution each generation, I would hazard a guess that the next generation of consoles won't come out until they can play at 4k.... which means at least a few years - even if the next pascal top-of-the-line GPU can handle smooth 4k (which I doubt but we won't know until it happens), it will not be cost-effective for a console...
There needs to be a MID-LEVEL card that can support 4k smoothly before next-gen consoles can come out and play...
I don't even know what this rambling is about.
But ya I don't care enough to come back in 5 years to check this post.
Good day Sir!
because you can't take your PC into the family/living room. Its a multi functional device, not designed solely for gaming.
8k TVs wont be around for a looooong while. The infrastructure doesn't exist to provide 8k content. A 4k movie is 100gb, which means Netflix and even current Bluray discs can't support a 4k movie. Internet providers don't have the bandwidth to supply 4k content, let alone 8k content. Which is why it won't take off until the supporting infrastructure gets built first, which could take up to 10-20 years in North America.
Based on what we have heard about Nvidias new Pascal GPU, its possible that they might finally have a single card 4k gaming solution that makes playing with ultra settings at 4k smoothly, possible. Of course the problem is that in 2-3 years we will be seeing the the first TVs that offer 8k resolution arrive on the scene.
So why does it matter if 8k TVs are starting to sell when the new Xbox and Playstation get released? Well, it matters because people want to be able to use the hardware they have instead of just a small portion of it. Its why so many console gamers are upset that they can't actually use the potential of their 4k TVs
Face it, the speed of technology development is moving at an incredible pace and that pace is getting faster all the time. Within the next 20 years we will be seeing the first light based super computers arrive that are as much as 1 million times more powerful than todays fastest super computers. We will see the development of the 12k-32k TVs. We will see the first true quantum computers arrive, which will make things like medical research exponentially faster. Computers will be in everything and a chip that costs $300 today will cost about $0.01. We will put them in everything and simply throw them away because at $0.01 they are disposable. There are so many advances that are coming, I just hope that I live long enough to see these many of these new technologies arrive
I have a PC that does this under my TV and its not my main rig why not have two computers?
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
With the current rate of progression, you may want to raise that to 50 years
treetops
Posts: 3,064 +784
I never said it was 7 years. Just like how you don't list the obvious differences in years in your comparisons....... You might want to review your own words before blathering out new ones.
lol pc has proven this 100x over. we can build a 200$ pc that outperforms a console in every single way. for 400$ you can have 120fps 4k and vr. xbox one/360 emulators were just shown off by microsoft for windows 10.
also there has not been a console at E3 for 10+ years. they all use sub 500$ pcs and microsoft and sony have admitted this 100x over.
microsoft even said in the last press release they would consider releasing the e3 emulators for the xbox one and xbox 360 to pc users with free xbl and cross platform multiplayer. if you think your console has anything on a pc. remember a 2008 dual core with 4gb of ddr2 and a gtx 550 still beats you 9 times out of 10.
my sub 500$ pc handles 4k like a dream. you could do even better for less now. even in witcher 3 I can handle the high preset at 2048 x 1536 at 144fps with no problems.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html
they used a titan level card with a super clocked i7 to get 1080P at 60fps. console hardware is 8+ years behind. an i3 and a gtx 740 with 4gb of ram far out perform an xbox one in every way possable. the fact is consoles will never be able to compete. core 2 extremes are 5X better than the cpu in the xbox one. the gtx 740 is still better and it was sub 50$ for a long time. you'd pay about 40$ for 2x the ram the xbox and ps4 have.
you would expect to pay about 200$ if the xbox 1 or ps4 were pc's..
and that shiny xbox one runs windows 10. your just not willing to release it.
http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/09/xbox-chief-wants-xbox-360-games-to-work-on-pc/
Experimentongod
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I'm sure it's already being said but just let me say this:
LMAO consoles for 4K? current ones can't even keep constant 30fps! :/
LMAO consoles for 4K? current ones can't even keep constant 30fps! :/
By 2018 the lowest end nvidia GTX card will be able to play games at 4K 60FPS with only one single gpu, 2018 is when volta comes out, 4K VR will happen next year and 8K soon after that with the fast changing phone display technology, the Samsung S7 will most likely support a 4k resolution and with a dual display with that spec will be a native 4K and a panoramic 8K. Like you guys all said, the ps4/xbone cant even play all games at 1080p 60fps, theres no way VR will be any worth playing on console if its just 720p as vr requires twice as much horsepower to run those games in VR.
8K VR and 8K TV's are probably coming out in 2018, atleast give us 4k 90FPS or 4k 120FPS Microsoft, Sony !!
lexarflash
Posts: 10 +2
I think it might be Ps4.5, Xbox 1.5. Probably just update the GPU, add some more memory rather than change the entire architecture to be VR/4k ready. Remember, they have to get devs on board, they already sell the consoles at very slim margins, without a software ecosystem its going to be just brickware. DX12 will come in the market and change things, think its a lot of speculation, but the opportunity to jump on the next big thing. More innovation and imagination required from the game industry, landscape is getting stale with AAA titles.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,596 +5,227
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What's your point? The REASON I "blathered" out my words was because I disagreed that console generations lasted 7 years - YOU didn't state this... the article's author did!!... So I posted release dates of the major consoles.... Anyone who can do simple arithmetic should have been able to see that the release dates were NOT 7 years apart...
You replied with a fairly non-sensical, "what about Xbox".... which had an EIGHT year release difference....
Not sure where you were heading with that.... but I don't think you've made any point other than that you don't really know math...
I have no reason to believe there's a single hint of truth in your claim of "4K 120 fps gaming" on current releases or anything close to that on medium-high settings without proof. That's absurd. Unless you got it used from someone for a song which you know is obviously not common.
An i3 and 740 will not outperform a console. That's laughable.
Nero7
Posts: 498 +237
Just pointing out the obvious lie.
A 500$ GPU can barely handle Witcher so how a 500$ PC is supposed to even decently run the game is something I sure would love to see. The rest that you let out ain't better I had a GTX550ti and a PS3. Guess what the PS3 had much better graphics. Killzone 3 would not have looked anywhere nearly as good with a 550ti. Had to drastically reduce the options in BF3 as well.
Squid Surprise
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Here are the specs of the PS3...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_technical_specifications
Translating into PC terms...
Processor: 3.2Ghz x8 Cell Processor (technically x7 since one of them is only used in case another fails.)
RAM: 256Mb GDDR3 @ 700Mhz + 256Mb "XDR" @3.2Ghz
GPU: Nvidia RSX (Which is the equivalent to an Nvidia 7800GTX.)
I fail to see how this even comes close to a $500 PC you can buy today...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_technical_specifications
Translating into PC terms...
Processor: 3.2Ghz x8 Cell Processor (technically x7 since one of them is only used in case another fails.)
RAM: 256Mb GDDR3 @ 700Mhz + 256Mb "XDR" @3.2Ghz
GPU: Nvidia RSX (Which is the equivalent to an Nvidia 7800GTX.)
I fail to see how this even comes close to a $500 PC you can buy today...
Nero7
Posts: 498 +237
You fail because your "translation" isn't worth a single damn. You also forget that the PS3 does not work with DirectX11 or 10 or 9 or 12. It has its own and its own drivers. Frankly its not about getting the same hardware but the same performance and performance wise those consoles should not be underestimated. The performance was somewhere about a 560ti - 570. I say that because its how I experienced it.
That the PS3 can't beat a 500$ pc of today is a given. Fact is it beats every 500$ pc from back then when it came out and for some years to come. The PS4 today beats a 500$ PC. On top of that you want to build this 500$ pc yourself and I doubt that you factored in the OS and Keyboard + Mouse and blu ray drive and wlan. The tower alone for 500$ doesn't magically outperform the console which is one big package.
Getting a 400$ tablet for your office work and a 400$ console for gaming isn't a bad deal/idea at all.
Squid Surprise
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I wasn't arguing about whether or not a console is better.... I simply saw your argument backed up by NOTHING, so provided some facts.... You may have "experienced" the performance of a 560ti-570 - but the FACT remains that you actually had a 7800....
Now, as to "factoring in" the price of a mouse/keyboard/wlan... here's the great thing about PCs...
When you buy your PS4, what do you do with your PS3? Probably have it sitting somewhere collecting dust, or you gave it to a friend, or sold it for a pittance of what you originally paid for it... Not to mention that now you can't play all your old games from your PS1, PS2, and PS3 (at least, not without re-purchasing them via download or "classic").
If I were to decide to purchase another $500 PC a few years after - I can simply RE-USE my keyboard/Mouse/Blue-Ray/wireless card and use them with my new PC.... maybe even my HD as well.... Not to mention I can still play ALL my old games - AND I can play most of the old console games via emulation software
Now, here's a link to a site that attempts to build a gaming PC for $400 equivalent to the PS4... it doesn't quite succeed.... but for $500, it easily could.... and that's 2 years ago.... NOW, it's pretty simple
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/171158-can-you-build-a-gaming-pc-better-than-the-ps4-for-400
Here's another link that builds a slightly better PC than the PS4 for just over $500... and it's a year old - so you can do it for cheaper now
https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-equivalent-PC-spec-that-performs-as-well-as-the-PS4
I still think there's a place for consoles by the way - simply because certain games ONLY come out for consoles and I'd prefer to have a much nicer PC to play the far superior PC games - not to mention I can't use MS Office on a PS4!!!
But next time you want to argue, try coming up with some facts to back your case up... and "my experience" doesn't count!!
Now, as to "factoring in" the price of a mouse/keyboard/wlan... here's the great thing about PCs...
When you buy your PS4, what do you do with your PS3? Probably have it sitting somewhere collecting dust, or you gave it to a friend, or sold it for a pittance of what you originally paid for it... Not to mention that now you can't play all your old games from your PS1, PS2, and PS3 (at least, not without re-purchasing them via download or "classic").
If I were to decide to purchase another $500 PC a few years after - I can simply RE-USE my keyboard/Mouse/Blue-Ray/wireless card and use them with my new PC.... maybe even my HD as well.... Not to mention I can still play ALL my old games - AND I can play most of the old console games via emulation software
Now, here's a link to a site that attempts to build a gaming PC for $400 equivalent to the PS4... it doesn't quite succeed.... but for $500, it easily could.... and that's 2 years ago.... NOW, it's pretty simple
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/171158-can-you-build-a-gaming-pc-better-than-the-ps4-for-400
Here's another link that builds a slightly better PC than the PS4 for just over $500... and it's a year old - so you can do it for cheaper now
https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-equivalent-PC-spec-that-performs-as-well-as-the-PS4
I still think there's a place for consoles by the way - simply because certain games ONLY come out for consoles and I'd prefer to have a much nicer PC to play the far superior PC games - not to mention I can't use MS Office on a PS4!!!
But next time you want to argue, try coming up with some facts to back your case up... and "my experience" doesn't count!!
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