RDNA 3-powered AMD Radeon RX 7000 graphics cards could launch in December

waclark

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We must live in different words, because except for some light comments here and there about the price of a 4090, everyone seems to have their pennies ready for Jensen,
There are some who will jump on the 4090, but most reviewers have said it's a great GPU, but not needed by most people and they generally recommend against it for gamers. Especially since we still haven't seen RDNA 3. Most of the people I have discussed this with are not interested in $1000+ GPUs. They are anxious to see what AMD unveils in Nov. Everyone is hoping for a 3080 class card for around $600 or a 3090 Ti class card for around $700-800, but with better RT performance. I don't think people want to give Nvidia as much money as you think. There's always someone who will pay tons for a top of the line GPU, but that's not me.

They are and they did. Hell, its even cheaper now (a 6900 for 699) and even Tim and Steve said it was not cheap enough.
The 6900 XT can be found for under $700, but most models I saw at Newegg were going from $730-770, which puts it squarely in the price range of the 3080. I think most people are still in a wait-and-see position. At least until we see what AMD has to offer.
Agreed and depending on the game with FSR they do provide that, to a point.
That said, personally, I dont understand the damned obsession with RT now, especially when I think we are at least 2 more hardware generations away for a cheap enough main stream GPU that can provide good performance levels.
Yes, I think RT is still in its infancy. I think people are thinking about future proofing. Whether anything but the 4090 will deliver acceptable RT performance remains to be seen.
I agree on that one, but I hear more people already saying that they will upgrade the PSU because the 4090 is their priority.
Well, realistically, most everyone running a 750W or below PSU is likely to have to upgrade in the next year or two. Everything is becoming power hungry, which is really odd given all the concerns over global warming.
Wait, now you are mixing CPU with GPU's and once again, ignoring AND blaming AMD for the prices dictated by the mobo and RAM sellers.

Thats exactly what I am talking about, Nvidia and Intel seems to always get a free pass and AMD gets blamed for everything even when they are either not guilty or are actually offering was is requested from them.
No, not mixing, just saying that AMD is being viewed as an expensive CPU upgrade with Zen 4. I would have thought that AMD would have been all over the mobo manufacurers to have lower cost boards at release and, it is AMD's fault that they provided no support for DDR4, unlike Intel.

I mentioned GPUs as a means for AMD to come out looking like the less costly upgrade for GPU, which might help drive CPU upgrades as well. If it matters, I think Nvidia is being viewed as the more expensive GPU option right now.
 

texasrattler

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did you atleast DDU your old nvidia / intel driver before installing your 6800xt... ? I must be "special" I never had any driver problem with AMD gpu's on my pc and all the others I built for ppl ...and I use them since the 3D rage pro from ...1998 but hey, at least , I'm special ahah
Being sarcasit don't help anyone. Not everyone gets problems while others see nothing but problems.
I don't have problems with Windows 11 but people constantly say they do. I've used Windows since DOS. Even used ME n Vista. Didn't have any issues with those either. May not have been great OSes but I didn't have any issues with the OS myself.

Also DDU isn't required. It's NOT a requirement. Just a option. I don't use it and have never run into a issue.
 

Burty117

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Because AMD haven't been able to provide anything properly competitive to Nvidia for a while now, I don't expect AMD to come out with anything good and absolutely no hype around it at all.

I'm more looking forward to what Intel will have in a few generations. They might actually have the ability to produce something that out performs Nvidia's best at a lower price.

AMD just seem to be stuck in the cycle of "produce something that roughly compares to Nvidia's offering but not quite hit the mark. Then price it only ever so slightly lower, and make sure most features don't work quite as well."

Which is kinda boring at this point to be honest, I miss the Radeon HD 7950 days when they actually competed pretty well.
 

toooooot

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My best wishes go to AMD. Without them the things Nvidia would have done to our poor butts would be terrifying.
I am looking toward Techspot review and comparison with Nvidia.
 
Have been looking to upgrade from my 1660 Ti for ages so I'm really hoping AMD can deliver well on these cards and not charge an arm and a leg for them like Nvidia has.
 

Mr Majestyk

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AMD would be brain dead to compete with the 4090 straight up. Card is cpu limited at 1440p and in some games at 4K. AMD should concentrate on 7600, 7700 and 7800. 7900 will be more than fast enough and still competitive with 4090 in rasterisation sans fake frames for the 0.1% that buy flagships.
 

Puiu

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If the flagship card can do +10-20% performance over the 3090 Ti that is a win in my opinion. And priced accordingly. While hopefully getting temps down from the 6900 series.
They'll be able to do much better than that considering the fact that the 3090ti is only around 10% better than the 6950XT at 4K at traditional rendering. AMD should be able to compete with the 4080 16GB.

If they manage a conservative 50% improvement (and not the rumoured +70%) then the 7950XT should sit between the 4080 and the 4090 with RT performance somewhere between the 4000 and 3000 series.
 

Puiu

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What they need is a focus on drivers, tried out a 6800xt, had a boatload of driver issues and just refunded it and went back to nvidia.

as much as these cards cost now the whole package has to be on point.
I very much doubt that you bought it "tried it out" and went back to Nvidia because of the drivers.
 

Geralt

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Wait, the AMD drivers sucks nonsense again?
I just cant anymore....
I have never had problems with the Adrenalin drivers of my 6900XT. They work perfectly. And I always use the latest possible version and not the recommended one. Zero bugs in my games: Deathloop, Horizon Zero Dawn, Elden Ring, etc.
 

Marco Mint

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What they need is a focus on drivers, tried out a 6800xt, had a boatload of driver issues and just refunded it and went back to nvidia.

as much as these cards cost now the whole package has to be on point.
I used to read about black screen problems on the 5700XT, but I myself bought that very card in September 2019 and despite using my pc for long hours every day since then, I am yet to experience that black screen. Now either I am getting some special drivers, or those people had some other problems going on. What they were, I have no idea.
Regarding the bad drivers myth. As that is what I regard it as, having used both Nvidia and AMD/Radeon gpu's since 2002, is that both companies have had some problems from time to time equally. My solution to when I got a buggy Nvidia or AMD/Radeon driver was to roll back to the previous one that I knew was ok. It really is that simple.
 

kira setsu

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I very much doubt that you bought it "tried it out" and went back to Nvidia because of the drivers.
thats pretty much exactly what happened, bought an xfx merc 319 6800xt cause it looked badass, it was supposed to be the replacement for my livin on hopes 980ti which was a relic in my new build(cause I was waiting on gpu price drops)

gaming at 1440 my one big want was VSR or DSR on the nvidia side, so when I played older games I could jack up the res to clean up the picture a bit. long story short I never got virtual super resolution to work.

I ddu'd the drivers, tried who knows how many cables, bought new cables, reinstalled win10 and win11(which isnt bad), used oh so many drivers, no matter what it didnt work, actually some stuff got worse, so I sent it back for a refund, then by an insane stroke of luck snagged a 3070ti for pennies which is working as solidly as my old 980ti did for its career.

maybe my card had some hitch in its giddyup, I dunno, so I went back to the gear that worked for me fine in the past...but newer, I've had issues with nvidia drivers too, but they were annoyances that a rollback could fix, never to the levels that 6800xt hit which imo went well beyond annoyances.
 

Puiu

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thats pretty much exactly what happened, bought an xfx merc 319 6800xt cause it looked badass, it was supposed to be the replacement for my livin on hopes 980ti which was a relic in my new build(cause I was waiting on gpu price drops)

gaming at 1440 my one big want was VSR or DSR on the nvidia side, so when I played older games I could jack up the res to clean up the picture a bit. long story short I never got virtual super resolution to work.

I ddu'd the drivers, tried who knows how many cables, bought new cables, reinstalled win10 and win11(which isnt bad), used oh so many drivers, no matter what it didnt work, actually some stuff got worse, so I sent it back for a refund, then by an insane stroke of luck snagged a 3070ti for pennies which is working as solidly as my old 980ti did for its career.

maybe my card had some hitch in its giddyup, I dunno, so I went back to the gear that worked for me fine in the past...but newer, I've had issues with nvidia drivers too, but they were annoyances that a rollback could fix, never to the levels that 6800xt hit which imo went well beyond annoyances.
That's weird. I didn't have a problem with VSR when I tested it on two different systems in the past year (6700XT and 6600XT), but my time with the newer AMD GPUs is fairly limited.

I usually buy Nvidia GPUs for myself because I use Blender and the best GPU for the money for friends who just want to game (which usually is AMD where I live by a fairly big margin).
 

Nobina

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That is the problem and a big one.
But have you noticed that "conveniently" every time you watch a video or article, etc, there are always some boxes or GPU that by coincidence are RTX?
Product placement like this do create and feed the weak minded people to desire or want that product and trust me, those boxes and GPUs are not there simply because.


On the contrary, they are revered at the same level as celebrities. I dare you saying anything negative about Linus from LTT.


Hell, I was watching a cell phone review and the damned Tuber found a way to mention the "amazing" RTX 3090Ti for absolutely no reason? And yes, he had a box with one visible in the video. More "coincidentally" that was on the days that the GPU was launched.
Sorry but thats no coincidence.

The point is, we consumers that are looking for good info to help with our purchases need to be able to identify these biased reviews and marketing pushes and the sad reality is, AMD is simply on the losing end.
You're basically saying marketing is a problem because one company is better than the other one at it. When the topic of discussion is smartphones most people think of Apple and Samsung while there are many other manufacturers with just as good, if not better phones. Is that a problem? Do you want every manufacturer to be given equal thought? That would be in an ideal world but in reality, it doesn't work like that. In that department, Nvidia is far ahead of AMD so naturally, people think of Nvidia as "the GPU maker".

An e-celeb can't make me magically pull an extra $1600 out of my pocket to buy GPU he promoted. Realise most people are not in the US with a lot of disposable income.

I think you are biased towards AMD and any kind of mention of Nvidia makes you angry so it sticks in your mind and you believe in a conspiracy that everyone is out to promote Nvidia and on their payroll. That is coming from someone with a full AMD build with a previous build being full AMD as well. And I can go on about AMD drivers, don't get me started.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Reviewers don't matter as much as you think.

You're basically saying marketing is a problem because one company is better than the other one at it. When the topic of discussion is smartphones most people think of Apple and Samsung while there are many other manufacturers with just as good, if not better phones. Is that a problem? Do you want every manufacturer to be given equal thought? That would be in an ideal world but in reality, it doesn't work like that. In that department, Nvidia is far ahead of AMD so naturally, people think of Nvidia as "the GPU maker".

An e-celeb can't make me magically pull an extra $1600 out of my pocket to buy GPU he promoted. Realise most people are not in the US with a lot of disposable income.

I think you are biased towards AMD and any kind of mention of Nvidia makes you angry so it sticks in your mind and you believe in a conspiracy that everyone is out to promote Nvidia and on their payroll. That is coming from someone with a full AMD build with a previous build being full AMD as well. And I can go on about AMD drivers, don't get me started.
Wont continue chasing a moving goalpost, but here is a perfect example of what I mean:


Tell me why the main photo and the thumbnail are of a pair of Nvidia GPUS only when the subject AND the article clearly say that all GPU's makers are working on this?
Anyways, think whatever you want to think of me "AMD fanboi, Nvidia hater" as you described, yet the point is ignored as shown on the link above.
 
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Nobina

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Wont continue chasing a moving goalpost, but here is a perfect example of what I mean:


Tell me why the main photo and the thumbnail are of a pair of Nvidia GPUS only when the subject AND the article clearly say that all GPU's makers are working on this?
Anyways, think whatever you want to think of me "AMD fanboi, Nvidia hater" as you described, yet the point is ignored as shown on the link above.
You're asking me a question I answered in the post you quoted. Take two: The image that Nvidia has built is a positive one among people and so they use pictures of Nvidia cards to refer to GPUs. Pretty simple and happens for let's say electric vehicles. The only electric vehicle talked about is a Tesla. Can you see the similarities?

Try this: type in any search engine something like "fast GPUs" and look for pictures to see how many cards are Nvidias and AMDs. The results won't shock you.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Pretty simple and happens for let's say electric vehicles. The only electric vehicle talked about is a Tesla.

Funny you mentioned Tesla, since:

1- They dumped Nvidia.

2- They are using AMD chips now.

Yes, I know, different usages, but still, ironic.
 

Burty117

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Tell me why the main photo and the thumbnail are of a pair of Nvidia GPUS only when the subject AND the article clearly say that all GPU's makers are working on this?
Anyways, think whatever you want to think of me "AMD fanboi, Nvidia hater" as you described, yet the point is ignored as shown on the link above.
It's funny, it's almost like Nvidia have over 80% of the share in the GPU market...
 

neeyik

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Tell me why the main photo and the thumbnail are of a pair of Nvidia GPUS only when the subject AND the article clearly say that all GPU's makers are working on this?
The article also says that it was developed Microsoft and Nvidia, hence the use of Nvidia graphics cards in the image.

What the article then says is "Microsoft is working with key partners like AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA to provide drivers tailored for this format" (my bold), not that all GPU makers are working on DirectStorage 1.1.

Read the full blog by Microsoft to see more details about the input Nvidia had with DS.
 

HardReset

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The article also says that it was developed Microsoft and Nvidia, hence the use of Nvidia graphics cards in the image.
Wrong. Directstorage already exists on XBox consoles. And guess what? No Nvidia inside.

Only thing Nvidia has party with Directstorage 1.1 is GDeflate compression. There were others available too so very probably Microsoft had to choose Nvidia's compression for getting Nvidia along with DS1.1. Other than that Nvidia has no part with Directstorage development as most of it already exists on consoles.

Putting Xbox image would be much better than Nvidia card. NeoMorpheus really has a point there.
 

neeyik

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Only thing Nvidia has party with Directstorage 1.1 is GDeflate compression.
There’s no indication that this is the only thing that Nvidia contributed to the project. Does the fact that Microsoft makes no mention of any collaboration with AMD on DS1.1, other than working with them for driver support, imply that they were involved any further? I would argue that it does not but there is obviously the possibility that AMD was involved.
Wrong. Directstorage already exists on XBox consoles. And guess what? No Nvidia inside.
That’s DS1.0, not DS1.1 - the former is about removing the CPU from the IO chain, the latter adds GPU decompression. Also note that both the Xbox and PS5 use proprietary decompression algorithms. They were obviously done with AMD but that doesn’t automatically imply that they continued to work with Microsoft to develop the DS update.
 

HardReset

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There’s no indication that this is the only thing that Nvidia contributed to the project. Does the fact that Microsoft makes no mention of any collaboration with AMD on DS1.1, other than working with them for driver support, imply that they were involved any further? I would argue that it does not but there is obviously the possibility that AMD was involved.
What indication there is Nvidia did contribute anything else? All Microsoft says about Nvidia's contribution is this:
With DirectStorage 1.1, we present a new compression format, contributed by NVIDIA, called GDeflate.
Since DS1.1 is basically nothing else than adding Gdeflate compared against technology already used on PC hardware (Xbox), only real difference between consoles and PCs is support for PCIe transfers and using non-dedicated hardware for decompression. Where Microsoft does need Nvidia then? I have no doubt they had difficulties having Nvidia on board, since almost everything is AMD based.
That’s DS1.0, not DS1.1 - the former is about removing the CPU from the IO chain, the latter adds GPU decompression. Also note that both the Xbox and PS5 use proprietary decompression algorithms. They were obviously done with AMD but that doesn’t automatically imply that they continued to work with Microsoft to develop the DS update.
Both consoles have dedicated hardware for decompression. This is all about changing decompression from dedicated chip to GPU, basically adding PCIe transfers instead proprietary transfer for dedicated chip on consoles. Microsoft basically had to make DS working on PC based hardware already so there was not much to do anyway. That's why AMD is not mentioned and Nvidia only receives credit for GDeflate.
 

Burty117

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That's why AMD is not mentioned and Nvidia only receives credit for GDeflate.
Right, so you've come to the conclusion that an article about DS1.1 that had a contribution from Nvidia, is ok to have an Nvidia GPU on the cover?
 

HardReset

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Right, so you've come to the conclusion that an article about DS1.1 that had a contribution from Nvidia, is ok to have an Nvidia GPU on the cover?
No because Nvidia's "work" is around 1% of AMD's work on Directstorage. Nvidia did nothing else than developed "new" algorithm that is based on decades old technology. Using that logic, you could put PCI-SIG logo on Nvidia card review instead Nvidia card picture because they developed PCI Express interface Nvidia card uses.