Re-instating the draft "Where do you stand?"

[ravisunny2]

I've taught some war veterans. They didn't take too kindly to "agent orange".

What would the health dept. have to say about the effects of the the foliage killer.

Would the war against terror be over if Bin Laden was caught ?

Our huge population (India), has one significant benefit to offer : never any need for drafting.

 

[smore9648]

Terrorism is terrible.....WTF ever! We shouldn't use a draft! First off, there have been many war horror stories about people going crazy after fighting a war. Second of all, instating a draft means the government can legally kill you. The Army, Marines, etc. have all been glorified, but let's show the picture they don't show you...OVERLY HARD DRILL OFFICERS YELLING COMMANDS INTO YOUR EARS LIKE YOU'RE A DOG, AND THEN MAKING YOU DO THINGS YOU NORMALLY WOULDN'T DO....
In short, I would rather jump off a bridge than be instated into the draft, and that's being nice...or I would just simply dodge the draft.....

You have never experienced the military, you watch too many movies.

War doesn't really make you crazy, it all depends on your experiences. Everyone comes back changed forever, some more extreme then others, but not necessarily crazy. I came back with Post traumatic Syndrome as did my wife but it went away eventually.

Its only like that in the movies and in basic training.
You are not allowed to follow illegal commands.

Do you do things that you would not normally do? Umm your in the military, there is no such thing as normal anymore, only to an extent.

 

[smore9648]

I would rather jump off a bridge than be instated into the draft, and that's being nice...or I would just simply dodge the draft.....

Your opinion...but thats very unamerican.

As I said before. The military is not for everyone but if you are drafted then you should do what you need to do with all your heart into it and get out when your time is done.

Running and hiding is not the answer. If you live in america then you should be proud to serve it, no matter what.

 

[smore9648]

By the way. Do not believe the media about all the crap thats going on in Iraq, yes of course its violent but thats the only thing they show.

They do not show soldiers helping Iraqi children, building schools, giving out supplies, playing games with the iraqis,etc......... I was pissed off at the media,especiall CCNN, when I came home and saw the news. They are diong a horrible job on the covering the entire aspect of the war. They are covering only the abuse, deaths and corruption. Hell you can do that in any country not fighting a war

The media only feeds you **** so they can get the ratings, Remember violence and sex sells.

 

[Tedster]

as an active duty soldier for 11 years and active duty military for 16 years plus being an ex-recruiter for 3 years, I am 100% for the draft. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those elgibile for enlistment are either morally, educationally, or physically disqualified. I believe in a unilateral draft, where those that are unfit for military service should do at least 2 years of national service.
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smore9648

You are absolutely correct. The media and the Iraq commission have no idea what they're talking about. I am in Iraq now.

 

[Tmagic650]

I'm too old to be afected by a draft... I was classified IV F for Vietnam

 

[JimShady23]

The breakdown

This is in no way meant to offend anyone but in my opinion is how the war is broken down


Jews dislike and dont like Palistinian occupation in their country

Palistinians are sick of taking crap from the Jews

Palistinians rebel against the instigating Jews ( some where along the lines people in power turned a group of people standing up for themself into acts of terrorism)

Palistinians are backed by some surrounding countries

Surrounding Countries Bomb Isreal

There are more Jews in the United States than in Isreal

American Jews are very powerfull buisness men

Buisness men fund political campains

Politicians Listen to people that fund their campains

The US interviens in affairs that dont concern them

Certain countries and radical groups take offence to USA's interference

These Countries and groups now see the USA as a enemy

These countries and groups take action on their enemy

The American public not knowing what is really going on under the sheets sees this as scensless terrorism and demands justice.

The Politicians use these demands to keep our troops over there for the to finish their real agenda.


Does the USA know where Bin Laden is ? Yeah we do, it wasnt hard to keep tabs on him when we funded his private army to occupy afgahnistan to keep russian forces at bay during the cold war......The truth is we THE USA made Bin Laden into the dreaded militant he is now. We instilled the power into him 30 years before the towers fell......So why dont we just find and execute Bin Laden already ? Because the longer we can be convinced there is a future threat the long our troops can inadvertantly protect the Jewish Holy Land......

I am not racist against jews, I am not a nazi and I really dont care if a fella is black white red brown or yellow....If he worships Jesus or hollows at the moon when the mood stricks him right.....It just dont take much to see what got us into the mess we are in the first place.....


A draft ? I think that if a draft is reneiwed its should apply equally to everyone...I dont care if you are Richy Rich attending Harvard......You can be pulled from your self centered future political career studies and be thrown into combat right next to the guy that was pulled from his 2 jobs that sheltered and fed his wife and 2 year old daughter.....

 

[zephead]

my beef with the draft is that all men aged 18-24 years are eligible for service. anyone 18 or older can join up if he/she desires. but the drinking age in every state is too high (21). i figure than anybody who puts themselves at such great risk for their country deserves the basic freedom to get drunk. after all, once you turn 18 you gain the right to vote, own firearms, and serve in the military. i suppose if they changed the drinking age back to 18 as it was before the 1980's i wouldn't have a problem. but the drinking age is a whole different argument

 

[Nodsu]

Sure, blind drunk soldiers on leave carrying firearms is a good thing

 

[SNGX1275]

my beef with the draft is that all men aged 18-24 years are eligible for service. anyone 18 or older can join up if he/she desires. but the drinking age in every state is too high (21).

Thats the reason you don't like the idea of the draft?

 

[smore9648]

as an active duty soldier for 11 years and active duty military for 16 years plus being an ex-recruiter for 3 years, I am 100% for the draft. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those elgibile for enlistment are either morally, educationally, or physically disqualified. I believe in a unilateral draft, where those that are unfit for military service should do at least 2 years of national service.
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smore9648

You are absolutely correct. The media and the Iraq commission have no idea what they're talking about. I am in Iraq now.

My wife and I were both there in 2003. I got med boared and she ETSed but she just got back in again.

Good luck

 

[smore9648]

A draft ? I think that if a draft is reneiwed its should apply equally to everyone...I dont care if you are Richy Rich attending Harvard......You can be pulled from your self centered future political career studies and be thrown into combat right next to the guy that was pulled from his 2 jobs that sheltered and fed his wife and 2 year old daughter.....

YUP!! Damn skippy

 

[smore9648]

my beef with the draft is that all men aged 18-24 years are eligible for service. anyone 18 or older can join up if he/she desires. but the drinking age in every state is too high (21). i figure than anybody who puts themselves at such great risk for their country deserves the basic freedom to get drunk. after all, once you turn 18 you gain the right to vote, own firearms, and serve in the military. i suppose if they changed the drinking age back to 18 as it was before the 1980's i wouldn't have a problem. but the drinking age is a whole different argument

You can drink in germany at 18 if you are in the service, unless it changed since I left, which was 2003.

People will drink no matter what their age is, I only drank once under the age of 21 and I didn't like it. I don't see the big deal about drinking. I do drink my beer occassionally but nothing excessive.

 

[ravisunny2]

We can find the cow with mad cow disease by its state, handler and what stall its in or the spinach with ecoli by state, farm and garden its in.

But we cannot find the most wanted terrorist in the world. Seems a bit strange.

Maybe we need to the health department to search for Bin Laden

I goofed last time. I was in page 1, and didn't use the 'Quote'.
Later, I was surprised to find my posting quite some place else, and totally out of context.

So I'm reposting the message.

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I've taught some war veterans. They didn't take too kindly to "agent orange".

What would the health dept. have to say about the effects of the the foliage killer.

Would the war against terror be over if Bin Laden was caught ?

Our huge population (India), has one significant benefit to offer : never any need for drafting.

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Certa Bonum Certamen

 

[smore9648]

I would rather jump off a bridge than be instated into the draft, and that's being nice...or I would just simply dodge the draft.....

With that attitude you don't have to jump, I would push you off myself

 

[zephead]

Sure, blind drunk soldiers on leave carrying firearms is a good thing

i doubt alcohol is a mystery to anyone in the military, regardless of their age. soldiers do not bring weapons with them when on leave.

People will drink no matter what their age is

true. in my opinion a 21 year old drinking age is a bit ridiculous. part of the problem is the driving age of 16. young, new drivers have not had sufficient experience with alcohol and thus generally are less likely to use it responsibly. the drinking age was raised for the purpose of reducing intoxicated driving amongst young people.

what if we had a european style system here, where beer becomes available to people at age 16, wine and hard liquor at 18. the driving age would be 18, just like that in germany?

 

[smore9648]

Correct me if I am wrong but german teenagers do not receive their liscense as easily as we do and vehicles in germany are expensive

They have to pay like 1500 to get a driver's lisc but then its a lifetime drivers lisc.

 

[zephead]

that is true, smore9648. the fee is either 1,500 euros or 2,500 euros (not sure which). by contrast, i paid $1,800 for my first car. i paid a total of $210 for plates, title transfer, etc. and was able to get my license in a flash. unlike the tests in germany and many other countries, the qualifications for receiving your license are simple knowledge of your turn signals, lights, and gearshift, and the driving test is even easier. a lot of terrible drivers get thier licenses, even if they clearly can't judge distances. gas is more expensive in europe, so people are generally more inclined to ride a bike, carpool, drive economic vehicles, and take public transportation. i'm sure the hefty cost associated with getting a license in germany causes people to take it more seriously, in general.

i think that it is a simple flaw with the american system tries to introduce driving to people at a relatively young age (16) and introduces alcohol much later (21). in germany, people are allowed to drink beer at age 16, so that, by the time they become eligible for driving privileges at age 18 they have plenty of experience with alcohol and act accordingly (more responsibly)

this thread has gotten far off topic...