Russia's rocket launcher-carrying, robot ninja dog was likely bought off Alibaba

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Vulcanproject

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You keep talking about how great the Russian export market is. The primary thing Russia exports is oil and gas, they have nothing else of value to the rest of the world. War crimes don’t count.

The economy has fared the sanctions better than expected as the EU and countries like Germany have been propping it up by continuing to purchase gas. Once this single source of revenue is cut off then the economy is screwed. It’s already declined 4% this quarter according to Bloomberg this week. Other factors including a ban on chips are starting to bite, which is why we’re seeing widespread reports of chips from looted white goods cropping up in unusual places.

Sanctions are a long game, as economic effects take time to trickle down into tangible results.

p.s your comment about the Russian military being stronger is laughable. They’re still using Cold War tactics and equipment, as clearly due incompetence and corruption that’s all they have. Turns out the big scary bear was just a chihuahua in a fur coat.

Exports are high because oil and gas prices, imports are very low because of sanctions which says they are working and they will hurt very badly in time.

Needless to say Putin is destroying the future of gas exports to Europe which cannot be easily sold elsewhere. An absurd amount of foreign investment in the country has been pulled, permanently. If a global recession does come oil prices will crater. That'll obliterate the revenues they take as well as probably sealing off a large amount of Russian production which has low margins, for good. The young, skilled and educated continue to pull the emergency escape handle and leave for pastures new in the West. A lost generation. Disastrous. Then the EU will reach for the ban hammer and there will be no western foreign education, exchange programs, business trips or much of anything else.

He's absolutely ruining the future of Russia's economy. But OK let the lunatics pretend all is great because they have an artificially pumped currency and fuel prices are temporarily high while the markets adjust....
 

Endymio

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Russia is still making sales to India and China - but at big discounts.
Yes, around 20% by reports. Here's some math for you though. A 20% discount on $100/bbl oil beats a zero percent discount at $50/bbl. The natural gas situation is even more stark, as some European nations are now paying six times what they were -- with no discount. And the idea that Europe will ever wean itself from Russian natural gas is absurd. Even if they do, Russia will still have no trouble selling it all:

REUTERS: Feb 14, 2022: "Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline; sales will settle in euros..."

Your Arms Industry orders are being cancelled by the likes of India ...
Oh really?

Aug 5, 2022 (British Express): "India hands 'lifeline' to Putin's war efforts as Russian arms ships sidestep US sanctions..at least seven US-sanctioned Russian ships have docked in India over the past month...

the Ruble remains manipulated by capital controls that still require the population and Russian businesses to buy Rubles at levels set by government decree.
Lol, what? This is complete nonsense. The Russian ruble floats freely on forex markets -- both inside and outside Russia.

The fantasies here are from those who deny the laws of economics. A currency's long-term exchange rate is driven by two factors only: supply and demand. Russia's primary exports are oil, natural gas, metals, and agricultural products. They are selling ALL of them at record-high prices. The Russian ruble is so strong at present, in fact, that Russia is actually taking steps to weaken it:

CNBC: Jun 23, 2022 · The ruble has actually gotten so strong that Russia's central bank is actively taking measures to try to weaken it, fearing that this will make the country's exports less competitive.
 
Yes, around 20% by reports. Here's some math for you though. A 20% discount on $100/bbl oil beats a zero percent discount at $50/bbl. The natural gas situation is even more stark, as some European nations are now paying six times what they were -- with no discount. And the idea that Europe will ever wean itself from Russian natural gas is absurd. Even if they do, Russia will still have no trouble selling it all:

REUTERS: Feb 14, 2022: "Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline; sales will settle in euros..."

Oh really?

Aug 5, 2022 (British Express): "India hands 'lifeline' to Putin's war efforts as Russian arms ships sidestep US sanctions..at least seven US-sanctioned Russian ships have docked in India over the past month...

Lol, what? This is complete nonsense. The Russian ruble floats freely on forex markets -- both inside and outside Russia.

The fantasies here are from those who deny the laws of economics. A currency's long-term exchange rate is driven by two factors only: supply and demand. Russia's primary exports are oil, natural gas, metals, and agricultural products. They are selling ALL of them at record-high prices. The Russian ruble is so strong at present, in fact, that Russia is actually taking steps to weaken it:

CNBC: Jun 23, 2022 · The ruble has actually gotten so strong that Russia's central bank is actively taking measures to try to weaken it, fearing that this will make the country's exports less competitive.
You seem to be hell bent on proving that Russia is doing better than ever before. That is usually not a sign of confidence in oneself.
 

kiwigraeme

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Yes, around 20% by reports. Here's some math for you though. A 20% discount on $100/bbl oil beats a zero percent discount at $50/bbl. The natural gas situation is even more stark, as some European nations are now paying six times what they were -- with no discount. And the idea that Europe will ever wean itself from Russian natural gas is absurd. Even if they do, Russia will still have no trouble selling it all:

REUTERS: Feb 14, 2022: "Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline; sales will settle in euros..."

Oh really?

Aug 5, 2022 (British Express): "India hands 'lifeline' to Putin's war efforts as Russian arms ships sidestep US sanctions..at least seven US-sanctioned Russian ships have docked in India over the past month...

Lol, what? This is complete nonsense. The Russian ruble floats freely on forex markets -- both inside and outside Russia.

The fantasies here are from those who deny the laws of economics. A currency's long-term exchange rate is driven by two factors only: supply and demand. Russia's primary exports are oil, natural gas, metals, and agricultural products. They are selling ALL of them at record-high prices. The Russian ruble is so strong at present, in fact, that Russia is actually taking steps to weaken it:

CNBC: Jun 23, 2022 · The ruble has actually gotten so strong that Russia's central bank is actively taking measures to try to weaken it, fearing that this will make the country's exports less competitive.
Some good points there - yes gas prices have surged - Russia's output is down - but it's a double edge sword - short term gain for long time loss . Putin wants Eastern Ukraine for is gas and minerals etc . Ukraine will be about to help supply Europe - other sources will come on tap as well .
Countries are also moving to heat pumps with subsidies - and there is also the possibility central heat systems being developed .
These resources have effectively been stolen from the Russian people - carved up amongst the communist/oligarchy and Putin . 700 Billion in foreign reserve that could modernise, build Russian is being seized or spent at a great rate .
The Ruble is a joke - Gas sales are ultimately in Euros .
As I said you can no go to any bank in Russia and get US dollars in cash at that rate - so stop pretendiing
Even chinese food is not cheaper in your supermarkets . prices have gone up on products - so ruble is buying nothing .
All the Russian tourists overseas are probably using foreign reserves they already have - except in a few countries allowing your system of payment .
No one is really using these fake USD you can electronically can buy .
I've been to Russia twice - the Trans-manchunian express was full of traders - if the ruble was really high then Russia should be flooded with Iphones etc out of P.R.C - they are not- it's hard to buy the latest models .
You haven't address your huge decline in imports to keep your industries' going . Your ARM sales need western tech .
Countries you supplied like dictators in Africa are worried about getting spare parts .

So answer me this - can you go into a any bank in Moscow and buy US Cash - or swap your funny electronic USD to cash?
Why are your supermarket prices having inflation and shrink flation with a strong ruble?
Can you buy a Samsung Z-fold cheap with your mighty ruble?

You can say all you want - but only the elite can afford the prices for latest western /asian tech .
If the NZD increased by that amount we would be buying like crazy
 

Endymio

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Go away
I'm sorry you find facts so emotionally upsetting, but I do thank you for the link, which helps confirm my remarks. From your link:

"Russian capital is being redirected to new destinations, including the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and India..."

And: "Interest rate cuts will take time to weaken the ruble...". This second point is particularly telling, as it refers to Russian central bank efforts to LOWER the the ruble. In the span of a few months, CBR has reduced interests rates from 20% to 14% to 9.5% down to 8% -- all to try to HALT the ruble's increasing strength. Clearly, the idea that US/EU sanctions are going to cripple the ruble is absurd.
 

Endymio

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yes gas prices have surged - Russia's output is down
Russia's output is up, not down:

Yahoo News, Aug 11: "Russian oil production has remained much stronger than expected since the invasion of Ukraine, the IEA said Thursday.... Its average output in July [was higher] than for all 2021. Russia has successfully rerouted its oil exports away from Europe toward Asian countries such as India and China."

These resources have effectively been stolen from the Russian people - carved up amongst the communist/oligarchy and Putin .
Sure. So? That's not the point under discussion. And according to Forbes Magazein, while Russia is #1 worldwide in such billionaire oligarchs, Ukraine runs a close second in absolute terms -- and far exceeds it in percentage terms.

you can no go to any bank in Russia and get US dollars in cash
You can't go to any bank in the US and get rubles, either. However, in a Russian bank, people can purchase yuan, yen, won, Swiss francs, even British pounds -- and, more to the point, they can still buy any foreign goods they want -- even that Samsung Z-fold you admire so much.

Even chinese food is not cheaper in your supermarkets
Please stop the "you're a secret Russian agent" nonsense. I'm a US citizen. Are you?

Why are your supermarket prices having inflation
MY supermarkets are having inflation due to unrestrained government spending -- Joe Biden just signed another trillion dollars worth yesterday. Russian supermarkets are seeing it because they sell primarily Russian food, and thus are not directly affected by exchange rate fluctuations. You understand that a strong ruble doesn't allow Russians to purchase Russian grain, milk, or bread any cheaper, right?
 
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kiwigraeme

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Russia's output is up, not down:

Yahoo News, Aug 11: "Russian oil production has remained much stronger than expected since the invasion of Ukraine, the IEA said Thursday.... Its average output in July [was higher] than for all 2021. Russia has successfully rerouted its oil exports away from Europe toward Asian countries such as India and China."

Sure. So? That's not the point under discussion. And according to Forbes Magazein, while Russia is #1 worldwide in such billionaire oligarchs, Ukraine runs a close second in absolute terms -- and far exceeds it in percentage terms.

You can't go to any bank in the US and get rubles, either. However, in a Russian bank, people can purchase yuan, yen, won, Swiss francs, even British pounds -- and, more to the point, they can still buy any foreign goods they want -- even that Samsung Z-fold you admire so much.

Please stop the "you're a secret Russian agent" nonsense. I'm a US citizen. Are you?
Ukraine does now I believe have a new anti- corruption person . They have to reduce corruption to join the EC - they have to start somewhere - Russia is rated more corrupt .

Yes you can go into banks and by swiss francs - but you can't spend it in Switzerland - as I said funny money .
I believe Russians can use their pay system in Turkey - Turkey is also a gateway to Spain , Portugal - lots of well off Russian tourists with foreign bank accounts , foreign property as well .
Think is I ultimately hope Russians win - they rid their country of the likes of Putin - realize that all that nationalistic drivel - them and us - is just that .
No one wants to invade them - people just want peace , security.
To play football in the park or vs neighbouring countries .
Chinese get fed that nationalistic drivel as well .
Germany used to have it .
If the world does not go pear shape . Serbia will mellow etc

Interesting times
There is no one here to convince not you or me.- except bad things are happening - young lives wasted .
So time will tell - will Russians actions will make it ascend to world domination - every one in Russian will be better with more freedom , health and wealth - or fall way behind say Australians GNP - which before the war as roughly parity
 

Ludak021

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That's funny as hell. One shot and it would be flung backwards a mile (unless it had sufficient weight and balance). It's a one shot wonder that would miss. No stable platform to fire from.

Funny indeed. Not as funny as the idea one other American had - if attacked by a pit bull, he would just kick it 50 yards away, he plays football, he can do it.
Ah, such wonderful imagination you Americans have :)
 

TheRealSCDC

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Funny indeed. Not as funny as the idea one other American had - if attacked by a pit bull, he would just kick it 50 yards away, he plays football, he can do it.
Ah, such wonderful imagination you Americans have :)
I'm a pretty strong guy myself. Runner, biker, swimmer. Legs are really strong. Believe it or not I had a rabbid racoon try to attack me. It charged me and I kicked it about 50 yards. Then shot it with my handgun. lol. Scared the living crap out of me. I was just cutting my lawn!
 

Endymio

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Yes you can go into banks and by swiss francs - but you can't spend it in Switzerland
Ah, but you can. Russians can not only still travel freely in Switzerland, but they can buy Swiss products-- with either rubles or francs. Switzerland's primary exports to Russia are pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and agricultural products (chocolates, cheeses, etc.) all of which are still being sold in Russia:

Aug 14: "At Interceese AG’s headquarters in Switzerland, the phone barely stops ringing these days. A Russian voice is usually at the other end....

Since Aug. 7, when Vladimir Putin’s government banned many food imports from nations supporting sanctions due to the country’s role in the Ukraine crisis, at least 14 Russian importers have contacted Intercheese. The reason for the surge in business: Switzerland hasn’t joined the European Union, the U.S., Canada, Australia and Norway in penalizing Russia....


Chinese get fed that nationalistic drivel as well...There is no one here to convince not you or me.- except bad things are happening
This must mean you're aware of the rise of Ukrainian ultranationalist groups, which, by their attacks on ethnic Russian Ukrainians, were one of the primary factors leading to this conflict. Here's an article you may find interesting:

 

Endymio

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You seem to be hell bent on proving that Russia is doing better than ever before. That is usually not a sign of confidence in oneself.
Snark is no substitute for facts, son. And I'm not the one hell-bent on trying to convince themselves that sanctions are winning the war, despite all evidence to the contrary. But tell you what, if you can name the two separate logical fallacies in your own post, I'll concede. Deal?
 

Avro Arrow

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One drone carrying an RPG is scary... But a swarm of little drones, that's nightmare fuel.. Even the US Army is already making exercises to figure out how to defend agains drone swarms.
A bunch of drones with RPG launchers that can't shoot straight may be scary, but they won't be useful. It's just not cost effective to have to fire 50 RPGs just to score a single hit. :laughing:
"Tell me you have no idea how economy works without telling me you have no idea how economy works"
I see what you did there!
As for support for Puttler never ever said russians are smart people. They are feed propaganda and vodka from tzar era.
The Russians are smart people but their government is corrupt. I seriously doubt that Putin won more than one of his elections fairly.

As for Russian propaganda, there's a saying that the only difference between a Russian and an American is that the American believes his government's propaganda while the Russian does not. :laughing:
I have a sneaking suspicion that the US won’t get tired of dumping countless billions into this until they’ve reached their goal of weakening Russia to the point where Russia is no longer a relevant country other than ‘they got nukes’.
The problem is, the fact that 'they got nukes' means that Russia will always be relevant. Having Nukes kinda has a way of doing that.
What the US has given so far is peanuts compared to their annual military spending.
This is a very cost effective way for them to reduce Russia’s military capability.
Yeah but that's not setting the bar very high. The USA habitually squanders billions of dollars a year on clerical errors within its military.
Right now, it’s Europe that’s hurting the most in the west due to their own stupidity, but that will improve in time once they find alternatives to Russian gas.
Well, as usual, France is ahead of the curve as their country is literally dotted with nuclear plants. Germany, uncharacteristically, did not invest in nuclear or hydro which puts them behind the 8-ball when it comes to energy production.
But even if we assume your scenario comes to fruition, from a purely financial perspective, I find it hard to believe it will be worth it. All that for a little bit of land?
According to some analysts, it has something to do with the strategic position of Ukraine at the western edge of the (almost) indefensible flat plain that lies east of the Carpathians. Putin is paranoid that they could be easily invaded without the Carpathians as a natural barrier.
However, now that Finland is joining NATO, Russian control of the Carpathians is no longer strategically significant because a NATO assault from Finland would directly threaten the Kola peninsula which is where Russia keeps the bulk of its military assets.
Let’s be real here. Putin thought Ukraine would just roll over like a happy puppy and let him take everything in a matter of days.
Methinks that Putin should've watched more Deep Space Nine because that's what the Dominion expected as well. War has a way of not working out according to plan...
What actually happened was that he rammed his dingdong into a hornet’s nest.
That's probably not the worst thing that he's ever rammed his dingdong into. Don't forget about Trump. :laughing:
The best he can hope for now is a Pyrrhic victory, and a very expensive one at that.
"If we are victorious in one more battle with Ukraine, we shall be utterly ruined!"
- Vladimir Putin, 2022
I suspect that is what he is hoping for as history has a tendency to focus more on the big events and people rather than the nitty gritty numbers. He cares more about having his name in the history books than the people who had to die for that.
Of course he does. That's how a psychopath's mind works.
 

wiyosaya

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"Tell me you have no idea how economy works without telling me you have no idea how economy works"
As for support for Puttler never ever said russians are smart people. They are feed propaganda and vodka from tzar era.
You seem to be hell bent on proving that Russia is doing better than ever before. That is usually not a sign of confidence in oneself.
Careful guys. Endy is always right - even if he relies on the mythical appeal to authority fallacy - his own authority, that is. 🤣
 

wiyosaya

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An RPG is not an WMD. Let's use terms correctly, shall we?
Depends on the target, wouldn't you say?
An RPG is a one-shot weapon. And from the video, it appears the robot is designed to "sploot" before firing. Assuming clear line-of-sight, it should be stable enough.
Whether it's designed to sploot or not, if the amount of thrust from that RPG is in excess of what that sploot can carry, the sploot won't mean you know what.
First of all, it's the same trade show Russia's put on every year for the last half-century.
So? How is any military parading around their weapons not a desperate act - just like the US test launching a Minute Man missile at a target 4,200 miles away in response to China parading its weapons near Taiwan is not some sort of desperate act aimed at telling China to think twice before they do something stupid like lauching a few nukes and starting a war that no one will win?
As for "desperation", in the last 4 months, Russia's gained control of Kherson, Mariupol, Severodonetsk, all of Luhansk Province, and the land bridge to Crimea. This despite the US and NATO feeding Ukraine real-time satellite intel and advanced weaponry equal to Russia's entire annual military budget. The Russian ruble is up some 250% against the US dollar since sanctions were placed, their GDP is growing again, and Putin's approval rating is up 25 percentage points since the war began -- about as much as Biden's has dropped over the same period.

Given the US spent 20 years trying and failing to pacify the most backwards nation on earth, against a Taliban armed primarily with nothing but 50-year old rifles and home-made bombs, I don't think Russia looks too desperate right now.
Yes, and as you point out, a few, poorly armed individuals can give an occupying, or attempted occupying, supposedly superior force, a big headache as well as a black eye, such as that weapons depot in Crimea?

But what the heck. You're welcome to travel to Russia and praise Putin - maybe you should volunteer to help Putin's cause??
 

waclark

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Why, your articulate presentation has entirely convinced me. A growing GDP, strengthening currency, and record levels of exports sold at record high prices are all sure signs of disaster.

In other news, up is down, water isn't wet, and Joe Biden actually knows what state he's in.
And we're not in a recession.....
 

waclark

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Depends on the target, wouldn't you say?
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Not really. I think when people think of WMD they think of thousands of dead or injured people. An RPG might take down an airplane, but so would a .50 cal rifle and I don't think we consider a rifle a WMD.

Dangerous, yes, no question. Weapon of Mass Destruction? That's pushing the definition a bit, don't you think?
 

waclark

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Yes you can go into banks and by swiss francs - but you can't spend it in Switzerland - as I said funny money .
I believe Russians can use their pay system in Turkey - Turkey is also a gateway to Spain , Portugal - lots of well off Russian tourists with foreign bank accounts , foreign property as well .

Actually, they may have a way to spend those foreign currencies. Consider a site like Alibaba. Chinese owned and operated and I just checked and sure enough they will take Rubles, Swiss Francs, Turkish Lira and more. So, if someone was smart and bought foreign currencies some months ago, they could sell that back to the bank for Rubles and come out ahead. For many Russians this may be difficult, but I suspect there are a lot of Russians that could take advantage of an improving economy.
 

kiwigraeme

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Actually, they may have a way to spend those foreign currencies. Consider a site like Alibaba. Chinese owned and operated and I just checked and sure enough they will take Rubles, Swiss Francs, Turkish Lira and more. So, if someone was smart and bought foreign currencies some months ago, they could sell that back to the bank for Rubles and come out ahead. For many Russians this may be difficult, but I suspect there are a lot of Russians that could take advantage of an improving economy.

I think you are correct - I did read that somewhere - It's countries that also use Russia's own payment system ( ie not visa/MC ) - I mentioned earlier I believe Turkey does as well - so maybe easiest tourist destination.
 

kiwigraeme

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Ah, but you can. Russians can not only still travel freely in Switzerland, but they can buy Swiss products-- with either rubles or francs. Switzerland's primary exports to Russia are pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and agricultural products (chocolates, cheeses, etc.) all of which are still being sold in Russia:

Aug 14: "At Interceese AG’s headquarters in Switzerland, the phone barely stops ringing these days. A Russian voice is usually at the other end....

Since Aug. 7, when Vladimir Putin’s government banned many food imports from nations supporting sanctions due to the country’s role in the Ukraine crisis, at least 14 Russian importers have contacted Intercheese. The reason for the surge in business: Switzerland hasn’t joined the European Union, the U.S., Canada, Australia and Norway in penalizing Russia....


This must mean you're aware of the rise of Ukrainian ultranationalist groups, which, by their attacks on ethnic Russian Ukrainians, were one of the primary factors leading to this conflict. Here's an article you may find interesting:


Yes absolutely no surprise Ukraine was Ultra nationalists - they are strong in all the former soviet bloc countries and even in some western countries .

However this is always a pretext for Russian invasions - it so solely mainly done for land grab , resources.

I wonder how the pro-russian people in Donbass etc are feeling now - as they are abused by russian soldiers , the men grabbed off the street for enforce conscription . Not allowed to retreat to safety into Russia out of conflict zone .
Most Russians lived fairly peacefully in Ukraine before war - they were not denigrated endlessly like Ukrainians on Russian State TV.
Yes Ukraine has got harder - removing Russian cultural icons .

Ukrainians and Russians should be living in peace - not war .
Putin himself declared Crimea was Ukrainian in 2008 ( ignoring Russian transgression in centuries past vs the Tartar people ).
The deaths 2014-2022 were mainly due to conflict - with some over spill into civilians caught in crossfire - The numbers were minimal compared to what's happening today - where 500 plus people are killed or injured every day
 

toooooot

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Yes Ukraine has got harder - removing Russian cultural icons .
Not just Ukraine. Most countries around Russia are removing names, monuments "gifted" by ussr when they "freed" those countries in ww2.

This trend makes me very happy.
I am an avid ww2 reader, and one of the saddest and shocking things I discovered about red army was its humongous atrocities it did both in homeland, neighboring countries and Germany.
There should not be a single name reminding their feet stood in all of those countries, only monuments mourning those USSR tortured and killed.
 

Endymio

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There should not be a single name reminding their feet stood in all of those countries, only monuments mourning those USSR tortured and killed.
And Russia seceded from the USSR even before Ukraine did. If you're old enough, you'll remember the so-called August Coup, as well as Russian tanks shelling the Supreme Soviet "White House".

Equating the USSR government with Russia was a Western fallacy. Stalin was Georgian. Beria was Georgian. Khrushchev was Ukrainian, Brezhnev was Ukrainian, and the last Soviet Premier (the short-termed Ryzhkov) was Ukrainian. A majority of the Politboro members opposing the dissolution of the USSR were non-Russians of various nationalities.
 
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