Ryzen 5000 CPUs sell out in minutes, appear on eBay with inflated prices
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Endymio
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A whole hour, eh? Given how many hours there are in a month, there isn't any tangible difference in the two situations.
In any case, the issue here isn't "mismanaged rollouts", its the simple fact that, for a multitude of reasons, demand for both products vastly exceeds supply. Whenever that situation exists, scalping will ineluctably exist. AMD and NVidia could easily solve the situation by raising their MSRPs to adjust demand accordingly. Would you prefer they did that?
pcnthuziast
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I got a 5900x from newegg by logging on a few minutes after they were supposed to go on sale and buying one with the normal checkout process.
The RTX 3070 I never saw it say it was in stock before it was already gone.
AMD's launch wondow was short but not ridiculous like Nvidia's.
The RTX 3070 I never saw it say it was in stock before it was already gone.
AMD's launch wondow was short but not ridiculous like Nvidia's.
Ludak021
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unfounded.
amghwk
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I can only think of one thing - make people realize what is happening and convince them from rushing out to splash money on everything they see and get tempted buying in the first place. If there're no buyers, this trend should stop. Hoarders will be the losers.
But I also have a feeling that to do this is even more difficult than to change eBay. Looking at the way current generations are, it may be downright impossible.
Justausername
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I just stopped by to see the AMD apologists and NVidia guys duke it out. BTW scalpers going to scalp popular stuff. It is the buyers who have no patience and have an instant gratification problem here.
LOL at the folks who say, "well they had stock and it lasted longer!" so what? The fact is they still sold out very quickly, and the product is much simpler from a manufacturing process. No AIBs to distribute to, no extra components like VRAM, no big PCB, etc. This is all in house for AMD. And sure, they had lots of 5600X, relatively speaking, but the 5900X and 5950X were single digits in most places here in Canada.
AMD failed on this one, lets say just a little bit less than NVidia. Can't wait to see the video card retail day. The Asus rep in the Nordic region is already priming the pump on shortages... the cards might last a minute longer than NVidia's. And all the cards are reference, from what I can tell there will be no custom AIB cards, just AIBs slapping their coolers and stickers on AMD reference PCBs.
LOL at the folks who say, "well they had stock and it lasted longer!" so what? The fact is they still sold out very quickly, and the product is much simpler from a manufacturing process. No AIBs to distribute to, no extra components like VRAM, no big PCB, etc. This is all in house for AMD. And sure, they had lots of 5600X, relatively speaking, but the 5900X and 5950X were single digits in most places here in Canada.
AMD failed on this one, lets say just a little bit less than NVidia. Can't wait to see the video card retail day. The Asus rep in the Nordic region is already priming the pump on shortages... the cards might last a minute longer than NVidia's. And all the cards are reference, from what I can tell there will be no custom AIB cards, just AIBs slapping their coolers and stickers on AMD reference PCBs.
For the pre orders +15% to the price for every item above 1.
It’s a good thing if people want to buy your products (usually they take and a discount the more they buy) but if the supply isn’t enough the price should go higher and the money should go to RnD not to random persons.
It’s a good thing if people want to buy your products (usually they take and a discount the more they buy) but if the supply isn’t enough the price should go higher and the money should go to RnD not to random persons.
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PEnnn
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Funny how scalpers are always one step ahead of major tech companies. Maybe they should hire a couple of them to help find a way around this headache for consumers.
On other hand, do we really think tech companies care a rat's posterior who buys their products as long as it's sold??
Look what happened when miners caused major spikes in GPU prices a couple years ago......only to see nGridia et al do practically nothing and laugh all the way to the bank!!
On other hand, do we really think tech companies care a rat's posterior who buys their products as long as it's sold??
Look what happened when miners caused major spikes in GPU prices a couple years ago......only to see nGridia et al do practically nothing and laugh all the way to the bank!!
Ren128
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My local store still has 5600x and 5800x in stock at the moment.
https://www.umart.com.au/AMD-CPU_646C.html
Most of the older 3000 series got price cuts, 3900x is now just $30 more than the new 5800x. Oh and if the prices seem high, they're in AU dollars which is worth 0.7 US at the moment and it also includes 10% GST (which I believe is one of the lowest in the world?).
https://www.umart.com.au/AMD-CPU_646C.html
Most of the older 3000 series got price cuts, 3900x is now just $30 more than the new 5800x. Oh and if the prices seem high, they're in AU dollars which is worth 0.7 US at the moment and it also includes 10% GST (which I believe is one of the lowest in the world?).
Eldritch
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Solution is really simple.
Do not blame companies as they can't produce massive quantities before launch as its too risky and ties up finances.
Do not expect kids with no sense of money to not pay scalpers 20-30% more to get what they want.
Do not expect scalpers to stop this. They are making money afterall.
Only solution is to make scalping illegal by federal laws. There is no other solution. Otherwise we can keep reading articles like this dozens time a year for decades to come.
Do not blame companies as they can't produce massive quantities before launch as its too risky and ties up finances.
Do not expect kids with no sense of money to not pay scalpers 20-30% more to get what they want.
Do not expect scalpers to stop this. They are making money afterall.
Only solution is to make scalping illegal by federal laws. There is no other solution. Otherwise we can keep reading articles like this dozens time a year for decades to come.
Endymio
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And of course that fails to work also. The Soviets couldn't stop scalping and black marketeering even with life sentences in Siberian hard-labor gulags; you think we can do better? Try as you might, you can't overrule the laws of economics.
pildorman321
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Main scalper here is LISA, raising 50% prices for a 19% IPC, rest of the scalpers just followed the same business model.... AMD made this possible, shipping a 2000 cpus instead of 20 million
pildorman321
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the solution is simple : do not buy the product. because there is really no product if yo have to work to get one ( 2 times)
Eldritch
Posts: 597 +1,155
You underestimate how careless some people are with money. The whole DLC fiasco is case in point.
I would like to point out that scalping is not only going on but increasing at an alarming rate indicating that people are actually paying those ludicrous markups.
Can you put up an argument against making scalping a crime?
Anyways, I would like to suggest an much more simple way too. At launch companies can state graded pricing. At launch price will be 30% above base price, after one month it will be 10% above base price and after three months it will be available at base price.
This will destroy scalping as incentive will be significantly reduced to buy at day one and they stand to lose huge amounts if they don't resell them fast enough.
This will also ease initial inventory problems and people who want to pay premium can pay it to people who really deserve it, I.e. developers.
brucek
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Having the manufacturer adjust price to equalize supply and demand is what I favor as well. I agree with all the others who point out you can't fight the market. I'd much rather have the money go somewhere useful than to a scalper, and the long term effect of that is we'd see more aggressive actions to meet market demand (I.e., initial tiers would always all be air freight, etc.)
My main complaint remains not about price or delivery date, but about the chaotic, unpredictable, time wasting process. I don't complain when the airline charges more for trips over peak holidays, but I would complain if their process for getting a ticket involved driving out to the airport each morning and hoping that was the day you could fly.
A poster above pointed out all the ways Apple and its iPhones differ from say Nvidia and its GPUs, and while all are true, in the end I believe the most important difference was that Apple reached a point where it said we do not find this (old) process compatible with our brand (or maybe it was the legal liabilities, or just good old profit maximization) and we will not allow it to continue. I think it's only a matter of time before other tech releases mature in their approach as well.
My main complaint remains not about price or delivery date, but about the chaotic, unpredictable, time wasting process. I don't complain when the airline charges more for trips over peak holidays, but I would complain if their process for getting a ticket involved driving out to the airport each morning and hoping that was the day you could fly.
A poster above pointed out all the ways Apple and its iPhones differ from say Nvidia and its GPUs, and while all are true, in the end I believe the most important difference was that Apple reached a point where it said we do not find this (old) process compatible with our brand (or maybe it was the legal liabilities, or just good old profit maximization) and we will not allow it to continue. I think it's only a matter of time before other tech releases mature in their approach as well.
I think anyone with a 8th Gen Intel or Ryzen 2000+ series should probably wait. AMD is making a comeback, but the pricing of the 5000 series is not a good purchase for those in said bracket.
Annnnd we all know Intel isn’t going to sit on their hands and let AMD take over. I am happy for the competition, but also excited to see what comes of all this in the next year or so.
on a side note, Apple pushing ARM out may change the landscape. If these new macs come out and compete in performance while using a lot less power, then Microsoft, who is currently working on making W10 viable on ARM could shift x86 into a black hole of obsalecence.
Annnnd we all know Intel isn’t going to sit on their hands and let AMD take over. I am happy for the competition, but also excited to see what comes of all this in the next year or so.
on a side note, Apple pushing ARM out may change the landscape. If these new macs come out and compete in performance while using a lot less power, then Microsoft, who is currently working on making W10 viable on ARM could shift x86 into a black hole of obsalecence.
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Vrmithrax
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You obviously have no idea how business and manufacturing works at all. AMD could not wait, make 20 million CPUs, and then drop them all onto the market at once. They, along with every other manufacturing company that plans to STAY in business, build stock, sell stock, and keep building more stock to sell over time. To pre-make a bunch of stock and have it sit in warehouse inventories without selling is a huge risk that costs everyone, from the manufacturer to the suppliers to the retailers, nothing but money. Just storage for excess inventory alone can chew up a company's profits to nothing.
BigMeatyClackers
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the problems Nvidia has were much worse. AMD's stocks were higher on day 1 than what Nvidia had for a monthROFL
edit: I mean, I am lauging, because everyone put hate on nVidia, and fate in AMD - and it's even worse
Ludak021
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So what? That's the most AMD can make, so...there are going to be shortages as long as nVidia has shortages...yea, it's funny. I guess, if nVidia let AIBs produce crap it would have been better than to stop them before they make tens of millions cards with subpar VRM units...
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