Ryzen 7 2700X vs. Ryzen 7 3700X: High Refresh Gaming Comparison

Lew Zealand

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What is most disappointing about Intel 10th is their overclocking, they simply clock worse than 8th gen, what the heck ?
The majority of 8700K can reach 5.1ghz and above (HUB tested 10 retail samples and 7 of them reach 5.1ghz and above, Silicon lottery statistics also show ~70% of 8700K can reach 5.1ghz and above) while 10600K can barely reach 5.0ghz from all the reviews I saw and 5.1ghz show signs of instability in GamersNexus testing (lower 1% and 0.1%).

It's safe to assume that 8700K (or 8086K) is still the 2nd best gaming CPU beside the 10900K when you overclock them. And yes 8700K can clock higher than 9700K if anyone is asking.

Also only 20% of 10700K can reach 5.1ghz, that's just pathetic
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Top of the line CPUs get the very best silicon and should result in the very best overclocking. In order, those CPUs have been:

Core i7-7700K
Core i7-8700K
Core i9-9900K
Core i9-9900KS
Core i9-10900K

Every time one CPU is supplanted at the top by another, the now lesser CPU is consigned to lower quality silicon. Best example of this was after the 9900KS came out, people started reporting that the new 9900K CPUs no longer overclocked like they used to. Because that top silicon was now being reserved for the 9900KS.

Same goes for the 10700K and 10600K. They get the lower quality silicon so they will need more voltage to achieve the same clocks and more often top out at a lower speed.

So in terms of OC clock speed 8700K > 10600K
 
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pencea

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Based on just about every single benchmark test you have up there the choice is clear: Buy Intel.

The 10600k and 3700x are both just below $300 and within a $15 difference of each other.
For gaming, the 10600k performs similarly to the 9900k (the better overall CPU than both).
Not exactly. Gaming yes, but other multitask and heavy workloads on every single benchmark shows the 3700X to be faster. Given the choice for all rounder I'll take the 3700X any day.

 

pencea

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Actually, there is about $100 difference between the two CPUs in my market (Atlanta, GA). Plus you get a much better platform on the AMD then you do the Intel. So not sure how you can say just buy Intel when the advantage is with AMD. As a LONG time PC user, I can tell you there is a LOT more to owning a computer then to gaming and higher FPS.
He is completely bias with Intel/Nvidia/Apple. Literally praises them in every single article, and downplays or dismisses AMD/Sony consoles/samsung phones..etc
 

krizby

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Top of the line CPUs get the very best silicon and should result in the very best overclocking. In order, those CPUs have been:

Core i7-7700K
Core i7-8700K
Core i9-9900K
Core i9-9900KS
Core i9-10900K

Every time one CPU is supplanted at the top by another, the now lesser CPU is consigned to lower quality silicon. Best example of this was after the 9900KS came out, people started reporting that the new 9900K CPUs no longer overclocked like they used to. Because that top silicon was now being reserved for the 9900KS.

Same goes for the 10700K and 10600K. They get the lower quality silicon so they will need more voltage to achieve the same clocks and more often top out at a lower speed.

So in terms of OC clock speed 8700K > 10600K
Jup and that's sad, a 10600K may be 100usd cheaper than 8700K's MSRP but it is still 100mhz slower, and that is comparing a new CPU to an almost 3 year old CPU. What the heck was Intel doing in these past 3 years LOL.
 

Jerry in WA

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I recently purchased a 3440x1440 @144hz IPS monitor. (from 2560x1080x200hz) It's the worst best purchase I've ever made. I love and hate it. It is glorious to behold but it completely annihilated my frame-rates. My gtx1070 was brought to it's knees. I grabbed a 5700 XT to stop the bleeding.

I think the only option going forward is to buy some ridiculous flagship card. 3080Ti? 5900XT? 2nd mortgage?

As it relates to this article, it's also time to replace my 4790K. Sometime this year. I planned to go with a 4800X (or whatever it's going to be named) but now, I might have to go Intel once again just to capture every last FPS I can, and give up all the other potential Ryzen benefits. If I ever want to see 100FPS again, an Intel seems the only choice, at least it is in June 2020. (I'm so bored with Intel builds, my last AMD was retired in 2007)

I knew it would hurt, but careful on the jump to 1440p ultrawide (or 4K) if you were already used to 120/144/200hz 1080p monitors. It leads you down a rabbit hole, like owning a boat.
 

treetops

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Based on just about every single benchmark test you have up there the choice is clear: Buy Intel.

The 10600k and 3700x are both just below $300 and within a $15 difference of each other.
For gaming, the 10600k performs similarly to the 9900k (the better overall CPU than both).
The mobo cost might be a factor. And hoping we don't have to much junk running in the background. Cost of the cooler. The 10600k looks mostly the better gaming cpu. At the min I took to look at the article :). Def drove 3700x prices down. And vice versa to intel. Now maybe I should go b and read the whole article. However you can get a $80 mobo with the 3700x etc cooler, cheaper option. Spending more money on a gpu makes more sense. You have to bend over backwards to be cpu bound.
 

Faelan

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I recently purchased a 3440x1440 @144hz IPS monitor. (from 2560x1080x200hz) It's the worst best purchase I've ever made. I love and hate it. It is glorious to behold but it completely annihilated my frame-rates. My gtx1070 was brought to it's knees. I grabbed a 5700 XT to stop the bleeding.

I think the only option going forward is to buy some ridiculous flagship card. 3080Ti? 5900XT? 2nd mortgage?
If you think 1440p ultra wide is bad... try 1440p super ultra wide. 5120x1440 is just glorious in games that play nice with the 32:9 aspect. But I had to upgrade from a 1080ti to a 2080ti which kinda sucks since I prefer skipping a generation and it has me lusting for the 3080ti (or whatever they end up naming it), which is obviously not good for my wallet.
 

OptimumSlinky

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Based on just about every single benchmark test you have up there the choice is clear: Buy Intel.

The 10600k and 3700x are both just below $300 and within a $15 difference of each other.
For gaming, the 10600k performs similarly to the 9900k (the better overall CPU than both).
How's the weather in your alternate universe?

To quote the 10600K TechSpot review: "I should point out that under realistic gaming conditions, it's ~6% faster than the 3700X as seen in our 1080p data with the RTX 2080 Ti across 7 games. That margin is reduced to just 3% at 1440p."

The 3700X is neck-and-neck with the 10600K, offers 2 more cores, 4 more threads, and a platform that supports PCIE 4.0 should you want/need it. It also uses less power and generates less heat. Finally, normal people don't pair a 2080 Ti with a 1080p monitor, so all of this is abstract and arbitrary.
 

amstech

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Ohhh snap!
Look at those Ryzens getting dusted! Again!

so all of this is abstract and arbitrary.
If you ignore everything your seeing, then yes.
If your accepting the truth that Intel is whooping AMD across the board, from 720p, to 1080p, to 1440p, from 7-30FPS, and its not just at 300fps, then congrats to you, you've gotten over it.
 

Lionvibez

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Please do Twitch streaming in the background while gaming. We all want to see that test. For a very long time. Let's see which CPU is best for real-time gameplay streaming.
If a test like this will be conducted the details of the setup will be needed.

Is there a hardware card involved doing the encoding, are we doing it on the cpu, resolution, target bitrate etc.
 

Faelan

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How's the weather in your alternate universe?

To quote the 10600K TechSpot review: "I should point out that under realistic gaming conditions, it's ~6% faster than the 3700X as seen in our 1080p data with the RTX 2080 Ti across 7 games. That margin is reduced to just 3% at 1440p."

The 3700X is neck-and-neck with the 10600K, offers 2 more cores, 4 more threads, and a platform that supports PCIE 4.0 should you want/need it. It also uses less power and generates less heat. Finally, normal people don't pair a 2080 Ti with a 1080p monitor, so all of this is abstract and arbitrary.
It really boils down to picking the right tool for the job and that depends entirely on what kind of jobs you want your system to perform. I optimized my system build around a handful of niche games where single core performance is king. For that job, Intel is the way to go.
 

Jerry in WA

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I was going to hastily pull the trigger on a 3800x build this week. There's essentially zero X570 or B450 motherboards for sale, unless you're willing to barter in some dark alley of the web.
 

pencea

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I was going to hastily pull the trigger on a 3800x build this week. There's essentially zero X570 or B450 motherboards for sale, unless you're willing to barter in some dark alley of the web.
PC Case Gear still has plenty in stocks for sale.
 

msroadkill612

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Given.... "In our opinion, gaming performance is so close now relative to Intel that it won't make a difference for the vast majority of gamers.",

AND that: ~AMD is better at anything EXCEPT gaming, THEN it is not hard to imagine that sensible buyers will easily find a few "nice to have" reasons to swing to AMD.

AFAICT, that makes AMD the clear winner in the real world.

Dunno, but I suspect amdS best gamer is the 3900x (3900xt soon).
 
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OptimumSlinky

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If your accepting the truth that Intel is whooping AMD across the board, from 720p, to 1080p, to 1440p, from 7-30FPS, and its not just at 300fps, then congrats to you, you've gotten over it.
How is a 3% advantage "whooping?" That's borderline margin of error.

Also:
1. Nobody games at 720p; it's an artificial stress test for CPUs. Interesting, but ultimately meaningless in application.

2. You conveniently ignore ALL of the other overwhelming value Ryzen brings to the table, from actually whooping Intel in anything multithreaded to using far less energy while doing so.

I genuinely don't understand the fanboyism. By all mean, feel free to pay a premium for 12nm+++++++++++++++++++++ CPU jam packed with hardware security vulnerabilities, the thermal profile of a space heater, and maybe 12 threads if you're lucky.

My Ryzen games just fine at 1440p, and tops out at 55C while doing so. *shrug*
 
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Rjmachine

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3000 series are much better than 1000/2000 series, thats for sure. But you won't be able to match Intel performance, in high-fps/CPU-bound gaming. In a few games maybe, overall, no.

Many games and programs just run worse on AMD hardware (CPU or GPU, varies depending on game and engine).

My 9900K runs at 5.2 GHz and I doubt even a top-end golden Ryzen 4000 chip with max OC is going to deliver this kind of gaming perf. I'd love it too, tho. Competition is great afterall.

There's a big difference between "running fine" and delivering top-notch gaming perf (for 144-360 Hz monitor users).

Top streamers and competitive gamers stick to Intel for a reason. Overall gaming perf is simply better. The end.

A 3-year old 8700K with OC to ~5 GHz will smash Ryzen 9 3950X at max oc (sadly no headroom) in 99.9% of games and 100% of emulators.

I would never buy Ryzen for a gaming rig. If you do OTHER STUFF, then maybe, depending on workload. Solely for gaming, nah. For a budget rig, B450 + R5 3600 is good value tho. Less so after 10th gen Intel release.
 

AlextheGreatest

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I have a Ryzen 2700X on an Asus X470-F Gaming motherboard. Will I be able to use this motherboard in a future upgrade to the 5000 series? Is it advisable to do so? Should I wait for the 5000 series or get the 3700X? Will I need watercooling for the 5000 series? I currently use air cooling. Can this motherboard support more than 64 GB of RAM? And the latest generation of videocards? (I currently have a GTX 1060 6 GB).