Schools in China are tracking students through GPS built into uniforms

sukhwant singh

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Wow so the Chinese are happy that their “communist” regime know what’s best for them and will allow big brother to dictate .
Are you sure that in west Govts. are not tracking you? or if they will do so, will not get away with this easily. May be you should look around and think again. Truth is every Govt. do the same. West do it in a hideous way and always denies such allegations and china do it more publicly.
 
It's only a matter of time and God help us if it peaks the interests of the current administration .......
Seems unlikely in the current US administration. That would be more of an extreme left (socialist/communist/Bernie Sanders) administration. Anyways, some parents are already embedding microchips in their children in the US, a jacket isn't a far reach.
It's not a socialist or communist idea, it's a totalitarian idea. Why is it that the people who are most vocal about politics know the least....
Would like it to be good if my child was not hanging out at the local gun shop or with the radicals down the road?
 

loki1944

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Ah yes, sorry for my ignorance, you're right, socialism and communism have never led to totalitarianism.
It's funny, when people talk about socialism they only point to the parts of histroy that agree with their point of view
Well if the shoe fits; Communism has been responsible for more deaths than even National Socialism. And in terms of long term oppressive control and persecution on a massive sustained scale; communism (hybrids et al) has no peers in the history of mankind. And socialism is about more control as well over individual thought and liberty, it's a more subversive base for persecution, but the endstate is quite clear by virtue of its mantra of forced concensus. It's more of a "think what you want as long as it's what we think" vs a "You cannot think". Brave New World stuff.
 
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....[ ]....I’m from the UK and we actually had a government threatening mandatory ID cards about 8 years ago. Fortunately these clowns lost the next election they faced.
Dude, what the heck are you, (or rather would you be), complaining about? We have that now! It's called, "real ID", and very shortly, you will need that type of ID to board an airplane, or enter a federal facility.

PA drivers licenses and non driving ID are the same basic card format. They've already enlarged the photo area, and added counterfeiting countermeasures, similar to those found in our paper money.
 

mark kram

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Liberals only support civil liberties of other liberals. They would gladly put everyone they disagree with in a prison camp. Their most outspoken leaders and celebs say so all the time.
If you can produce even one example to back up this statement, I'll listen. Otherwise it's just empty rhetoric. We're talking about "civil liberties", which refers to opportunities and options for normal citizens to act without being hindered by oppressive laws or illegal restriction by authorities.

People of all political persuasions call for those they don't like to be punished for indefensible crimes that actually were committed. If Hillary and Petraeus were treated like those in less powerful positions they would both be behind bars now. However one regards the actual intrinsic offensiveness of their crimes, to have these individuals treated differently from others makes a mockery of law itself.

Then there are the war criminals. W. Bush waged a war of aggression under false pretenses, leading to the deaths of over 1,000,000 people. Yet he walks free.
First off, I'm not surprised that you would think that civil liberties only apply to "normal citizens" since the ruling class exempts itself from most of the laws it foists upon the public. But those leftist hatemongers I refer to were calling for the imprisonment, deportation and in a few cases MURDER of regular citizens, not just politicians (advocating murder to a crowd or via mass media is always a crime, incidentally, and a not single one of the hatemongers has been charged yet). I could easily give you fifty examples but I'm not going to do the work for you. Besides, if I give you links you'll just say I'm cherry-picking the facts. Educate yourself the way I did. Here's some nice places to start: Michael Moore, Maxine Waters, The View. BTW, I have yet to see one example of a major Republican or conservative personality during the past forty years talk about locking up or murdering those they disagree with without due process. As for the invasion of Iraq, it was the liberals in congress who chatised Bush Sr's unwillingness to do exactly what his son did. Bush Sr. didn't do it because it wasn't part of the mission, and he knew that IF he did it he would just be called a warmonger...because that's politics. So he chose to NOT spend a bunch more money and probably waste more lives as well. While I never supported GWB's Iraq campaign they most certainly did have WMDs, some of which were moved to Syria and have since been used by both sides in the civil war. Oh, an about 30% of those million deaths you mention were Iraqi insurgents, I.e. legal combatants, and another 30% were killed BY those insurgents - and those are conservative estimates. That d oesn't mean that several hundred thousand civilians dead is excusable by any means but at least try to be honest with your facts. I assume you must be overjoyed that Trump is pulling us out of Obama's war of aggression in Syria.
My father taught me to believe only half of what I see on TV and nothing of what I hear in the media. This includes Fox. Question everything because if you do not question what a talking head presents you have just become a pawn in somebody elses chess game.
 
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My father taught me to believe only half of what I see on TV and nothing of what I hear in the media. This includes Fox. Question everything because if you do not question what a talking head presents you have just become a pawn in somebody else's chess game.
Which is good, sound, advice. However, since you can't be the proverbial, "fly on the wall", at every event on which is being reported, you're left with speculating about what actually did transpire. Which I'm sure you'll agree, can be every bit as inaccurate.

Although, a rule of thumb I do believe in, is if a CEO ir politician's lips are moving, they're lying...:rolleyes: .
 
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Sausagemeat

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Dude, what the heck are you, (or rather would you be), complaining about? We have that now! It's called, "real ID", and very shortly, you will need that type of ID to board an airplane, or enter a federal facility.

PA drivers licenses and non driving ID are the same basic card format. They've already enlarged the photo area, and added counterfeiting countermeasures, similar to those found in our paper money.
The idea of a mandatory ID being required is autocratic and fundamentally illiberal at its very core. Would you be comfortable with the state taking punitive measures against a completely innocent individual for simply not possessing his required documents? Contrary to popular belief it is not mandatory to carry your driving licence if are driving and of course yes we need a passport to board a plane as we are trans-versing administrative borders via highly secure methods of transport, the “punishment” for not having a passport is at worst being barred from travel on that instance.

In a modern liberal society, no one unless warranted by a reasonable suspicion of guilt should be obliged to prove who they are. ID cards are just the beginning and it all gets rather sinister after that. Go to work and forget your ID card, what happens then? You get arrested if caught? You get a police record and a fine? What happens after that, incarcerate innocent people for not possessing the right documents? And then there’s the issue that in most of these cases the government requires citizens to pay for this infraction liberty themselves. Our government was proposing £30 per card back in 2010 I believe. What happens if you can’t pay or you lose your card all the time?

The state should work for the people and I believe our elected leaders should be required to demonstrate who they are to the public under threat of losing the next poll they face on their leadership but as soon as the public must prove themselves to the authorities we are getting it wrong and will find ourselves onto the slippery slope of a society dominated by a “big brother” of a government who will continue to infract upon liberties because they feel they know what’s best for everyone else.
 

Sausagemeat

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Are you sure that in west Govts. are not tracking you? or if they will do so, will not get away with this easily. May be you should look around and think again. Truth is every Govt. do the same. West do it in a hideous way and always denies such allegations and china do it more publicly.
I’m almost certain our governments are not tracking us. Governments are woefully inefficient organisations that continue day in day out to demonstrate their ineptitude with bad decisions, inefficient spending and very poor strategic planning. However on the other hand corporations can be quite astute. I think it’s far more likely that corporations have much bigger and more accurate files on the public than the public office does. In particular our tech giants, Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft are good examples.
 

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The idea of a mandatory ID being required is autocratic and fundamentally illiberal at its very core. Would you be comfortable with the state taking punitive measures against a completely innocent individual for simply not possessing his required documents? Contrary to popular belief it is not mandatory to carry your driving licence if are driving and of course yes we need a passport to board a plane as we are trans-versing administrative borders via highly secure methods of transport, the “punishment” for not having a passport is at worst being barred from travel on that instance.
[SIZE=6]2010 Pennsylvania Code
Title 75 - VEHICLES
Chapter 15 - Licensing of Drivers
1511 - Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.[/SIZE]
§ 1511. Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.
(a) General rule.--Every licensee shall possess a driver's
license issued to the licensee at all times when driving a motor
vehicle and shall exhibit the license upon demand by a police
officer, and when requested by the police officer the licensee
shall write the licensee's name in the presence of the officer
in order to provide identity.
(b) Production to avoid penalty.--No person shall be
convicted of violating this section or section 1501(a) (relating
to drivers required to be licensed) if the person:
(1) produces at the headquarters of the police officer
who demanded to see the person's license, within 15 days of
the demand, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth at
the time of the demand; or
(2) if a citation has been filed, produces at the office
of the issuing authority, within 15 days of the filing of the
citation, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth on
the date of the citation.
(May 30, 1990, P.L.173, No.42, eff. 60 days; Dec. 21, 1998,
P.L.1126, No.151, eff. 60 days)

1998 Amendment. Act 151 amended subsec. (b).

You CAN get a ticket for not carrying your driver's license. At least in PA. If you don't produce it within 15 days, the fine is imposed..

In a modern liberal society, no one unless warranted by a reasonable suspicion of guilt should be obliged to prove who they are. ID cards are just the beginning and it all gets rather sinister after that. Go to work and forget your ID card, what happens then? You get arrested if caught? You get a police record and a fine? What happens after that, incarcerate innocent people for not possessing the right documents? And then there’s the issue that in most of these cases the government requires citizens to pay for this infraction liberty themselves. Our government was proposing £30 per card back in 2010 I believe. What happens if you can’t pay or you lose your card all the time?
I assume you think all this moral outrage is fashionable.But the flip side is that citizen's are apt to commit gross fraud without picture ID.

Before photo ID, there were plenty of people who would go around our city(s) and apply for, and get welfare claims for several different locations. This led to talk of (and songs) about "Welfare Cadillacs" So, in essence the state is working for you requiring photo ID. (At least if you're a taxpayer).

The state should work for the people and I believe our elected leaders should be required to demonstrate who they are to the public under threat of losing the next poll they face on their leadership but as soon as the public must prove themselves to the authorities we are getting it wrong and will find ourselves onto the slippery slope of a society dominated by a “big brother” of a government who will continue to infract upon liberties because they feel they know what’s best for everyone else.
As I said before, the British government is already on the "slippery slope" of totalitarianism, as it chips away at simple pleasures you like being able to use music you have purchased in a "mixed tape". You can't own a simple defensive item like pepper spray.

The fact remains you can rail away about the oppression of your government all you want, but at the end of the day, some controls and much oversight are necessary, to hopefully prevent the next subway car you get on from being blown to smithereens by some religious zealot. So as you spend the rest of your life hobbling around with one leg and half of one arm missing, you may temper you views about your personal liberty being too restricted.

Before Lee Harvey Oswald, we could buy guns in the mail without restriction.

But I guess it's true what they say, "one bad apple spoils the bunch". Although in the semantics of the present, it should read, "one bad apple spoils it for the bunch..
 
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I don't know why these days everything seems a conspiracy. it is not necessarily being done for bad intent. Can you tell how it can harm a student by knowing it's location? Every 40 second somewhere in United states a child goes missing. same is with china. there are several kidnappings from schools around the world everyday. which can be solved with such a technology. Tell me how it differ from baby trackers in homes?

On the other hand I think more than 90 percent people use smartphones. and they willingly give access not only the location but also to one's mic, camera, storage content and messages etc. Yet a location tracker in child/student's shirt is a conspiracy of china's govt. to keep eye on it's citizens? I believe, there is not even a single nation who do not tracks their citizens. it's good or bad that is another thing. But china is not alone.

Well. I am also concerned about privacy a bit. But truth is, we have already given it up. we started giving it when tech revolution started. and we are giving up more and more day by day. we have smart devices in our pocket, homes which can listen to us any time. we have cameras in our pockets, homes and surroundings which can see us any time. it's not the Govts. who forcefully pushed us to give up. it is us who voluntarily gave it up.
The difference is who has access to the child's location. The school, the government, or anyone else except the parents doesn't need that info unless it is necessary for the safety of the child.
 

Danny101

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It's only a matter of time and God help us if it peaks the interests of the current administration .......
Seems unlikely in the current US administration. That would be more of an extreme left (socialist/communist/Bernie Sanders) administration. Anyways, some parents are already embedding microchips in their children in the US, a jacket isn't a far reach.
It's not a socialist or communist idea, it's a totalitarian idea. Why is it that the people who are most vocal about politics know the least....
In regards to Communism and socialism, you are owned and a slave of the state. You are misinformed as to the nature of those beasts, my friend. My advice is to take off those rosed color glasses and stomped on them. Now I don't say this to hold capitalism as our savior system. Corporations can be just as abusive when given enough power. While capitalism doesn't always lead to widespread abuse and slavery, communism and socialism, both knee jerk reactions always has. Which is why those systems must be always and completely resisted. My position is to fight for balance in the spheres of influences and to keep them in check. Everyone has social responsibility. It does not take a nanny state to work out sound solutions. There is no greater authority than unstained truth. When an ideology devolves to lies to boost it's appeal then it has lost legitimatcy. Socialists, and communists are socialists by the way, have paved deathly highways on the roads of good intentions. It may be ideal in theory and it does have a nice ring to it, except that it creates a power structure that places humans as gods over other humans. Humans have never been capable to responsibly handle and mete out that kind of power. No one or a group of people have all the answers. Even in America, we have power brokers that need to be kicked out of office and yet the voters are too lazy to do it. No one should hold office for more than 20 years or even more than 10. It's soft communism in my opinion. Socialists in America talk a lot of jive about inclusion yet are moved to derision when someone doesn't agree with them. Killing the first argument with the second. Get away from knee jerk ideologies and just deal with the excesses. That's the ticket to the train of moving forward.
 
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[SIZE=6]2010 Pennsylvania Code
Title 75 - VEHICLES
Chapter 15 - Licensing of Drivers
1511 - Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.[/SIZE]
§ 1511. Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.
(a) General rule.--Every licensee shall possess a driver's
license issued to the licensee at all times when driving a motor
vehicle and shall exhibit the license upon demand by a police
officer, and when requested by the police officer the licensee
shall write the licensee's name in the presence of the officer
in order to provide identity.
(b) Production to avoid penalty.--No person shall be
convicted of violating this section or section 1501(a) (relating
to drivers required to be licensed) if the person:
(1) produces at the headquarters of the police officer
who demanded to see the person's license, within 15 days of
the demand, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth at
the time of the demand; or
(2) if a citation has been filed, produces at the office
of the issuing authority, within 15 days of the filing of the
citation, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth on
the date of the citation.
(May 30, 1990, P.L.173, No.42, eff. 60 days; Dec. 21, 1998,
P.L.1126, No.151, eff. 60 days)

1998 Amendment. Act 151 amended subsec. (b).

You CAN get a ticket for not carrying your driver's license. At least in PA. If you don't produce it within 15 days, the fine is imposed..

I assume you think all this moral outrage is fashionable.But the flip side is that citizen's are apt to commit gross fraud without picture ID.

Before photo ID, there were plenty of people who would go around our city(s) and apply for, and get welfare claims for several different locations. This led to talk of (and songs) about "Welfare Cadillacs" So, in essence the state is working for you requiring photo ID. (At least if you're a taxpayer).

As I said before, the British government is already on the "slippery slope" of totalitarianism, as it chips away at simple pleasures you like being able to use music you have purchased in a "mixed tape". You can't own a simple defensive item like pepper spray.

The fact remains you can rail away about the oppression of your government all you want, but at the end of the day, some controls and much oversight are necessary, to hopefully prevent the next subway car you get on from being blown to smithereens by some religious zealot. So as you spend the rest of your life hobbling around with one leg and half of one arm missing, you may temper you views about your personal liberty being too restricted.

Before Lee Harvey Oswald, we could buy guns in the mail without restriction.

But I guess it's true what they say, "one bad apple spoils the bunch". Although in the semantics of the present, it should read, "one bad apple spoils it for the bunch..
If I can't own a simple defensive product like pepper spray I will make my own using ordinary household products. Aerosols that use butane as a pressuring gas make good flame throwers. Women's hairspray make good flame throwers regardless of the pressuring gas. Ammonia in spray bottles or squirt guns works just as well as pepper spray.
 

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TS Maniac
[SIZE=6]2010 Pennsylvania Code
Title 75 - VEHICLES
Chapter 15 - Licensing of Drivers
1511 - Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.[/SIZE]
§ 1511. Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.
(a) General rule.--Every licensee shall possess a driver's
license issued to the licensee at all times when driving a motor
vehicle and shall exhibit the license upon demand by a police
officer, and when requested by the police officer the licensee
shall write the licensee's name in the presence of the officer
in order to provide identity.
(b) Production to avoid penalty.--No person shall be
convicted of violating this section or section 1501(a) (relating
to drivers required to be licensed) if the person:
(1) produces at the headquarters of the police officer
who demanded to see the person's license, within 15 days of
the demand, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth at
the time of the demand; or
(2) if a citation has been filed, produces at the office
of the issuing authority, within 15 days of the filing of the
citation, a driver's license valid in this Commonwealth on
the date of the citation.
(May 30, 1990, P.L.173, No.42, eff. 60 days; Dec. 21, 1998,
P.L.1126, No.151, eff. 60 days)

1998 Amendment. Act 151 amended subsec. (b).

You CAN get a ticket for not carrying your driver's license. At least in PA. If you don't produce it within 15 days, the fine is imposed..

I assume you think all this moral outrage is fashionable.But the flip side is that citizen's are apt to commit gross fraud without picture ID.

Before photo ID, there were plenty of people who would go around our city(s) and apply for, and get welfare claims for several different locations. This led to talk of (and songs) about "Welfare Cadillacs" So, in essence the state is working for you requiring photo ID. (At least if you're a taxpayer).

As I said before, the British government is already on the "slippery slope" of totalitarianism, as it chips away at simple pleasures you like being able to use music you have purchased in a "mixed tape". You can't own a simple defensive item like pepper spray.

The fact remains you can rail away about the oppression of your government all you want, but at the end of the day, some controls and much oversight are necessary, to hopefully prevent the next subway car you get on from being blown to smithereens by some religious zealot. So as you spend the rest of your life hobbling around with one leg and half of one arm missing, you may temper you views about your personal liberty being too restricted.

Before Lee Harvey Oswald, we could buy guns in the mail without restriction.

But I guess it's true what they say, "one bad apple spoils the bunch". Although in the semantics of the present, it should read, "one bad apple spoils it for the bunch..
In the UK you are not required to carry a drivers licence on your person. No idea why you are quoting a Pennsylvania law to try and disprove that?

You threaten me with being blown up by a terrorist if we don’t have stringent government goals. I would say that if our liberties are being curtailed by a governing class due to a threat of violence then those who are threatening violence have already won.

Furthermore, if we place so much power in the state, what happens if an “overly religious zealot” or just someone who doesn’t have common interests of the people they are governing at heart gets into office? They would have far more power to reap havoc upon the population. And it’s not like that has never happened before, corruption in government is practically expected these days.

You are in my perspective, quite politically naive. Which is why democracy is important. If enough people agree with you then democratically you can enforce whatever you want on the population but the same process can soften the power of the state. It’s when states begin to overturn democratic processes in the name of public safety or economic security that we get a problem. I personally am liberal enough to bend to the wishes of the majority. As unlike people like you, I don’t feel I know what’s best for everyone. I feel people know what’s best for themselves.
 

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TechSpot Addict
In the UK you are not required to carry a drivers licence on your person. No idea why you are quoting a Pennsylvania law to try and disprove that?
Because I live in Pennsylvania, and am no longer a subject of the UK. In fact, we haven't been since 1776, IIRC.

All I've gotten out of this discussion with you, is the fact you're a histrionic anarchist.

Why are you yelling at me? If won't do any good. What you should do, is hop on a slow boat to China, head on over to Tienanmen Square, grab a bullhorn and tell the Chinese how to run their government.

As for the rest of your crap about me being "politically naive", you don't know the difference between caution, prudence and fear. If we extend your slim grasp of reality out a bit further, you start to get into the murky water of "people doing what is best for themselves". Which might be robbing a bank, slipping into an S-vest, and going for the gaggle of virgins they've been promised will be waiting for them in heaven.

Keep in mind, you've just had a couple of piss ant subway stations blown up. We had "911".

You're all mouth here, but here is nowhere with respect to political change. Why not head on over to Windsor Castle and straighten them out?

I've seen this future 50 years ago. We called it, "Network", "A Clockwork Orange", "Brave New World", not to mention "1984".

Now toddle along and play some hyper violent video games. Maybe it'll get rid of some of that stress and anxiety you're suffering. Or, it might make it worse. You won't know until you try.

And BTW, it's still legal to make mixed tapes, plus buy and carry pepper spray here. I'd take those things over not having to carry a license card, any day of the week.
 
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