Seagate unveils a 10TB hard drive designed for consumers

"If you want technical support and or technical help, you should look for a technical forum on drives or even on Techspot Forums but hardware section."
Actually , I have contacted forums , and software recovery manuf's and bottom line without the MFT backup very little can be done. Most of the so called experts in the forums truly have no clue. A perfect example is a prominent problem with Win10 were your computer freezes, no BSOD, no mouse, nothing, nor does CTL , ALT, DEL, work. If you look at MS Support Forums you have threads going to nowhere, if you look at a myriad of forums on hardware/software, most of them have no clue, but what is offered is totally useless advice. ( I know because I did manage to fix the problem)
In regards to better built drives, that isn't the problem, I am trying to extricate the information from the 2 Tb drives. Having dealt with manufacturing and design of electronics for the past 30 years, including a few stints with Seagate, with my education starting with Miniscribe, Conner, etc.. efficiency and better built drives means cheaper and more functional parts (ASIC's) You are still at the mercy of design for manufacturing, yield problems and above all you are still dealing with a mechanical components that are the first to break down.
 

hood6558

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I have 12.5 TB in the case right now. It's neither porn nor 'stuff I forgot to delete'. Can't fill them up 100% or performance suffers, need space for defragmenting. Unfortunately all ports full, any new drive I buy has to replace one inside already. Just my music is over 1 TB.
I'm in the same situation, 14 TB in HDDs, mostly WD, 1 TB in SSDs, all ports full (incl. M.2 and PCIe), and over 1 TB hi-res 24-96 music. I've had good luck with 2,3, and 4 TB drives, but going forward I need to replace them with 6, 8, or 10 TB drives. Either that or weed out the movies I'll probably never watch again (possibly 6 or 8 TB!).
 

amstech

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I used to be one of those guys who downloaded gigs and gigs of movies/music and then one day something magical happened. I stopped giving a sh!t
I realized I never watched anything I had, just collected it.
 

Kibaruk

Posts: 3,836   +1,186
I used to be one of those guys who downloaded gigs and gigs of movies/music and then one day something magical happened. I stopped giving a sh!t
I realized I never watched anything I had, just collected it.
Just think of how many good movies you would rewatch at this moment, there are probably a few of them. Then, think on how long it takes you to download it again. There you go, don't thank me.
 

Evernessince

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I was going to reply the the shill that cherry picked the Seagate image but it looks like his post is deleted. Anyway this is the image he scrolled by:
http://I.imgur.com/WfUQ3FR.jpg

From personal experience I used the barracuda line until I had a 1.5TB drive fail after 18 months. It's replacement, another 1.5TB drive failed after 8 months. The last and final drive from them, a barracuda 3TB, failed after 4 months. I should have learned sooner but I didn't.

This was the image,and the only reason I am showing it is because I obviously have had very good luck with Seagate drives.
2015-drive-failures-barchart.jpg

Bear in mind that said chart doesn't tell you that the WD drives BlackBlaze had were in service much longer. They had to replace a large chunk of seagate drives due to failure.
 

cliffordcooley

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Bear in mind that said chart doesn't tell you that the WD drives BlackBlaze had were in service much longer. They had to replace a large chunk of seagate drives due to failure.
It also doesn't mention specific problematic models. As long as we steer clear of the known problematic models, our chances of failure are greatly decreased.
 

madboyv1

Posts: 1,710   +631
It's nice to see that 5 year warranty on that Barracuda Pro drive, though why the same warranty is not being applied to the whole set of drive models drives me nuts.

Bear in mind that said chart doesn't tell you that the WD drives BlackBlaze had were in service much longer. They had to replace a large chunk of seagate drives due to failure.
It also doesn't mention specific problematic models. As long as we steer clear of the known problematic models, our chances of failure are greatly decreased.
This is the big takeaway from looking at backblaze's historical data; whenever there is a large spike in failures or even a pattern of high failure rates, it could often be tracked down to a handful of drive models that were accounting the high percentage.
 

Evernessince

Posts: 5,464   +6,149
It's nice to see that 5 year warranty on that Barracuda Pro drive, though why the same warranty is not being applied to the whole set of drive models drives me nuts.


This is the big takeaway from looking at backblaze's historical data; whenever there is a large spike in failures or even a pattern of high failure rates, it could often be tracked down to a handful of drive models that were accounting the high percentage.

The barracuda pro is merely a rip off of the WD Black line. The WD Black line has been around for some time and have always offered a 5 year warranty. Seagate just noticing that recently is a bit too late as SSDs are coming close to overtaking hard drives and it's going to be hard to overcome the reputation of WD blacks.
 

SirGCal

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It also doesn't mention specific problematic models. As long as we steer clear of the known problematic models, our chances of failure are greatly decreased.


Go to BackBlaze reliability reports. They do detail each drive model and it's replacement failure percentage. You can see the spike from the 4TB Seagate model at over 9% last year alone. They didn't have many from that batch thankfully. The newer model replacing it was 1% or so if I remember, far better obviously. But all of that data is there if you go to their site for every drive they use in their entire library.
 

amstech

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Just think of how many good movies you would rewatch at this moment, there are probably a few of them. Then, think on how long it takes you to download it again. There you go, don't thank me.
Any movie can instantly/easily be had/downloaded now or streamed.
I only watch 720p+ content and 10 movies equals about 40GB.
Waste of space and power for me, but thats just my .02.
 

mcborge

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Now you are going to tell us how you play those 2tb of games constantly and ergo the need to increase that even more...
Err no... no I'm not... but it does save having to re download any game I want to play, Also I post a lot of content to the steam workshop for space engineers... world saves and blueprints and what not. I apologize if this wasn't the answer your smug comment was expecting.
 

Kibaruk

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Err no... no I'm not... but it does save having to re download any game I want to play, Also I post a lot of content to the steam workshop for space engineers... world saves and blueprints and what not. I apologize if this wasn't the answer your smug comment was expecting.

Ok my smug comment was going to: Most users has their drives filled with stuff they don't see or use, almost never, yet they feel the urge to need to upgrade storage because they are running out of space.

When I did the switch from desktop to notebook I was running out of space too and thought about getting more external storage (Have 1 external 1tb drive to move stuff around), after taking a couple hours to see what I actually really needed and saw what I could re-download if neccesary, the move was super fast, like most are commenting in here, was able to delete a ton-load of movies that I was never ever going to be able to watch, there are some 720p lower sized maintaining much of the good quality, now if you want to see a good sci-fi I can understand you want the real deal. The same with Steams library, had like 30-40 games downloaded from which only played at most 3-4 (And the big variation was for playing online with friends). It takes an hour to download 15gb on an average speed, so... I don't have an issue with re-downloading a game I want to revisit at some other moment.

The real users that NEED that upgrade in space, have already commented and are using their computers for production, all the rest don't really need it, and this comes from us users that took a full hour to get that mp3 back in the day in that 56kbps modem, now you can get an album in 2-3 minutes.
 

batsdude

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Too bad it's a Seagate. Along with WD they make the most fallible drives there are, and neither company acknowledges their products after they fail.
 

mcborge

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Ok my smug comment was going to: Most users has their drives filled with stuff they don't see or use, almost never, yet they feel the urge to need to upgrade storage because they are running out of space.

When I did the switch from desktop to notebook I was running out of space too and thought about getting more external storage (Have 1 external 1tb drive to move stuff around), after taking a couple hours to see what I actually really needed and saw what I could re-download if neccesary, the move was super fast, like most are commenting in here, was able to delete a ton-load of movies that I was never ever going to be able to watch, there are some 720p lower sized maintaining much of the good quality, now if you want to see a good sci-fi I can understand you want the real deal. The same with Steams library, had like 30-40 games downloaded from which only played at most 3-4 (And the big variation was for playing online with friends). It takes an hour to download 15gb on an average speed, so... I don't have an issue with re-downloading a game I want to revisit at some other moment.

The real users that NEED that upgrade in space, have already commented and are using their computers for production, all the rest don't really need it, and this comes from us users that took a full hour to get that mp3 back in the day in that 56kbps modem, now you can get an album in 2-3 minutes.
Ahh, ok but a lot of those games I have are modded so having them ready on my system means I don't have to set them up all over again, and they are in different libraries on different drives so having just one physical and one ssd in my system would be better for me as my corsair air 540 case doesn't have that many drive mounts plus I do some 3d rendering for a hobby in bryce vista which has some very large texture and model libraries... and my music library is over 100 gigs so one of these drives would solve a lot for me. And I still think your reply was smug, Lol.
 
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Raoul Duke

Personally, I would rather delete stuff than cough up the $300-$420 dollars for an HD of useful to me space, but still using 12.5 TB
 

DAOWAce

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I'll wait for reliability testing on these before buying.. the last barracuda I owned (500MB half height) that I used as a backup/MMO drive failed and took 2 years of data with it.

My 4TB RAID1 array could do with an upgrade, though at 7200RPM I'm wary on buying due to noise. Taking the last of my 7200RPM drives out of my system for an SSD was such a relief. Never want to hear a high pitched platter spinning whine piercing through my case ever again.
 

Kibaruk

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My 4TB RAID1 array could do with an upgrade, though at 7200RPM I'm wary on buying due to noise. Taking the last of my 7200RPM drives out of my system for an SSD was such a relief. Never want to hear a high pitched platter spinning whine piercing through my case ever again.

Wow... what kind of drives you are buying this is the first time I hear such a complaint =P
 

DAOWAce

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Wow... what kind of drives you are buying this is the first time I hear such a complaint =P
Standard 7200RPM drives from both Seagate and WD?

If you can't hear hard drives spinning, you must have a well insulated case or are losing higher frequency hearing!