Tesla Model 3 earns five-star safety rating across the board

MasterMace

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I love it when people quote statistics. I am sure Tesla would love to hire you for their marketing department.

BTW - you missed the instances where Teslas in autopilot mode slammed into fire trucks. Just how do you miss a fire truck?
Btw, you missed the words in my sentence. Go back and read what the list contains.

Numbers have this strange habit of being cold and hard. Apples to apples, it's a better car. If you look at numbers and dislike them, because of your opinions, that's called your opinion. You can have an opinion and be wrong. That doesnt make Tesla a bad company, or a bad car.
 

captaincranky

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Why? (Tesla's autopilot is magnitudes safer than the typical human driver.)
- You're posting this from experience, or excessive exposure to propaganda?

Note too that people who claim self driving cars "are safer", are either lacking self esteem, or believe they are far superior to those "other human drivers", they, "are forced share the road with".

Keep also in mind, that man is the only animal on the planet which can drive a car. Many consider that earning a driver's license, "a rite of passage", into adulthood, along with the freedom of mobility it bestows.

All other animals are hauled around the planet in cages, carriers, and kennels. Far be it from me to suggest that a self driving car reduces mankind to that status.

After all, you can still suck your thumb and play with your $1,000.00 smart phone while the car sooths your mostly baseless fears about driving an automobile all on your lonesome.
 
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- You're posting this from experience, or excessive exposure to propaganda?

Note too that people who claim self driving cars "are safer", are either lacking self esteem, or believe they are far superior to those "other human drivers", they, "are forced share the road with".

Keep also in mind, that man is the only animal on the planet which can drive a car. Many consider that earning a driver's license, "a rite of passage", into adulthood, along with the freedom of mobility it bestows.

All other animals are hauled around the planet in cages, carriers, and kennels. Far be it from me to suggest that a self driving car reduces mankind to that status.

After all, you can still suck your thumb and play with your $1,000.00 smart phone while the car sooths your mostly baseless fears about driving an automobile all on your lonesome.
It's proven fact already that AutoPilot and other self-driving technologies are safer and better than human drivers. All you need to do is look at the statistics. They don't lie. We'll welcome you back to reality when you're ready.
 

captaincranky

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It's proven fact already that AutoPilot and other self-driving technologies are safer and better than human drivers. All you need to do is look at the statistics. They don't lie. We'll welcome you back to reality when you're ready.
I'll never be ready for your infantile version of reality!. You millennials are an abomination. Like I always said, climb in the back seat of you self driving car, assume the fetal position while you suck your thumbs and play with your iPhone. (or maybe your malware laden Android "device") You can take "Alexa" with you now, to make certain you surrender your last vestiges of privacy. Until you, inside your little self driving cage, are really nothing more than an exhibit in the Google, Apple, and M$ human zoo.

And BTW, statistics can be made to say pretty much anything you want to hear.

Do you think any of these greedy corporations trying to cash in on this technology are going to even hint at any deficiencies in the vehicles?

And don't forget to change the courtesy light bulbs in your little chariot to blood red. That's guaranteed to make you feel like you're back in your helicopter mommy's womb.
 
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I'll never be ready. You millennials are an abomination. Like I always said, climb in the back seat of you self driving car, assume the fetal position while you suck your thumbs and play with your iPhone. (or maybe your malware laden Android "device") You can take "Alexa" with you now, to make certain you surrender your last vestiges of privacy. So you, inside your little self driving cage, are really nothing more than an exhibit in the Google, Apple, and M$ human zoo.
Resisting changes in technology is pretty common among your crowd, so I'm not surprised, honestly.

While you're using your typewriter to write a letter, the rest of the world will be moving on with their lives.
 

captaincranky

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Resisting changes in technology is pretty common among your crowd, so I'm not surprised, honestly.

While you're using your typewriter to write a letter, the rest of the world will be moving on with their lives.
Yeah well, I still have optical drives in all my computers . You, who so obviously are ahead of the curve, will be the first one whining when Apple yanks a movie you supposedly "bought" from your library. I, being the anachronism I am, will suffer no such injustice.

Just think, pretty soon they'll have self driving baby strollers! Hey, after that, and an automatic food delivery system, they'll be no need for a human mother at all.

Psychologists have raised baby monkey with their natural mothers, and mock ups made of wire frames. Which ones do you think came out completely crazy?

I guess Huxley's "Brave New World", isn't required reading anymore. You should read it anyway, it'll do you some good.

Just curious, are you using keyboard entry for your posts? I'm sort of confused about the difference between that and a typewriter.
 
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Mugsy

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- You're posting this from experience, or excessive exposure to propaganda?

Note too that people who claim self driving cars "are safer", are either lacking self esteem, or believe they are far superior to those "other human drivers", they, "are forced share the road with".

Keep also in mind, that man is the only animal on the planet which can drive a car. Many consider that earning a driver's license, "a rite of passage", into adulthood, along with the freedom of mobility it bestows.

All other animals are hauled around the planet in cages, carriers, and kennels. Far be it from me to suggest that a self driving car reduces mankind to that status.

After all, you can still suck your thumb and play with your $1,000.00 smart phone while the car sooths your mostly baseless fears about driving an automobile all on your lonesome.
WTH was all that? "Man is the only animal that drives"??? What did any of that have to do with the safety record of autonomous vehicles? (a documented fact.)

A few over-hyped reports of rare failures have been used to fearmonger people into rejecting the technology or... like you... suggest it frequently fails... something that the facts simply do not support.
 

captaincranky

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WTH was all that? "Man is the only animal that drives"??? What did any of that have to do with the safety record of autonomous vehicles? (a documented fact.)

A few over-hyped reports of rare failures have been used to fearmonger people into rejecting the technology or... like you... suggest it frequently fails... something that the facts simply do not support.
I just enjoy driving all type of vehicles. I've driven everything from tractor trailers to motorcycles, and most of what's in between.

I just think that "safety record", is a secondary concern, to the freedom and humanity that human controlled vehicles add to being man.

Really, if you think antonymous vehicles are a solution to you living in abject fear of participating in real life, you're absolutely correct.

So, I'm not fear mongering anything. As I said, relative safety stats are of no concern to me.

And as I also stated, driving a car is part of human maturity. A self driving vehicle, is equivalent to a monkey being hauled around in a cage. Or as I like to call public transit, "cattle cars".
 
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Mugsy

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I just enjoy driving all type of vehicles. I've driven everything from tractor trailers to motorcycles, and most of what's in between.

I just think that "safety record", is a secondary concern, to the freedom and humanity that human controlled vehicles add to being man.
The ability to set a Tesla into Autopilot mode does not preclude you from piloting it yourself.

Keep in mind your original comment had nothing to do with denying you the ability to drive yourself. You suggested there would be a lot more wrecks (a claim with no basis in fact.)
 

captaincranky

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The ability to set a Tesla into Autopilot mode does not preclude you from piloting it yourself.

Keep in mind your original comment had nothing to do with denying you the ability to drive yourself. You suggested there would be a lot more wrecks (a claim with no basis in fact.)
I said no such thing. I've been off topic this entire thread. I have an intense personal animus toward self driving vehicles, and the people who espouse them, period. I thought I made that clear.

I'll reread my own posts to figure out where you came to that conclusion.

What part of this statement is unclear to you in it's intent and/ or meaning?
...[ ]...So, I'm not fear mongering anything. As I said, relative safety stats are of no concern to me....[ ]...
 
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And as I also stated, driving a car is part of human maturity. A self driving vehicle, is equivalent to a monkey being hauled around in a cage. Or as I like to call public transit, "cattle cars".
Driving is also the most mundane thing in the world - especially when you drive in traffic all day or have a long commute.

Sure, it's cool when you get your license at 16, but a year after you get your license the cool factor is gone and no one cares anymore.

That's like saying becoming of age to drink is part of human maturity. Yeah, it's cool when you turn 21, but again, a year later no one cares anymore.
 

captaincranky

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Driving is also the most mundane thing in the world - especially when you drive in traffic all day or have a long commute.

Sure, it's cool when you get your license at 16, but a year after you get your license the cool factor is gone and no one cares anymore.

That's like saying becoming of age to drink is part of human maturity. Yeah, it's cool when you turn 21, but again, a year later no one cares anymore.
Oh, perhaps so. But for me, the novelty of dashing out to the store at midnight, going where you want, when you want, whether by car or motorcycle, never gets old.

Between all the electronics, specialized sensors, and processors required in a autonomous car, you'll wind up with several desktops worth of equipment on board. (And Intel still won't be on a 10 nm process, but I digress).

A common state inspection will require and central server, and very likely, retraining all the mechanics in the industry, to have some college experience in IT. (Granted, that's speculation).

With the price of the extra elements incorporated into the price of even the most basic auto, the under 20K vehicle will be a thing of the past. (Like me, it would seem). And the price will place new cars out of reach for many. That will make a lot of money for Uber, but limit mobility of classes which are borderline being able to afford a car now.

So, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

The prices for parts on sport vehicles are way over the top now. That issue will doubtless escalate in the future. As it stands, my 1991 Honda 750 "Nighthawk", isn't charging. Honda wants $190.00 for a voltage regulator, and $600.00 (!!!) for the "alternator stator". (Which would likely be available as a "rebuilt alternator", for $50.00 or so, were the vehicle an ordinary Ford or Chevy car).

Again, be careful what you wish for.

Parts don't go out of patent for man years, and car manufacturers will have you by the shorties to a far greater extent than they do now. So when your "supercalifragilistexpealidocious" sensor server breaks, (god forbid), you'll need a second mortgage to pay for it.

Oh wait, most people rent nowadays, because the rich have sucked up a huge portion of available real estate, and charge so much rent, nobody can afford to save up for a home of their own.

So, poor baby, stuck behind the wheel doing the menial task of driving? Tough sh!t! You asked for it, you got it, self driving Toyota. :rolleyes:

BTW, I pretty much stopped drinking when I hit 21. It's made a comeback with me, after Bacardi released "Oakheart", a seasoned rum made in oak whiskey barrels. Being a life long Coca-cola addict, this is the best thing that happen to drinking alcoholic beverages, since well, ever!

Don't worry though, I won't be on the road when I've rmbibed any. You'll be dealing with the skidmarks blinding you with their high beams, even thougjh there's a street light every 100 feet.

-Something I do recommend car makers could computerize and take out of the driver's control, the high beam switch. Now that would be a huge, and cheap, major improvement.

You can read a person's personality behind the wheel very easily. The self important won't dim those lights when they pass you, and the self entitled won't wave thanks when you let them go for a left turn.

And remember, those self driving cars won't be programmed to circumvent posted regulations. So whern you're on that long, monotonous commute, expect it to take longer. Car manufacturers won't allow a vehicle to exceed posted limits due to liability issues. The car will know where the troopers usually hang out, and simply won't give a damn. They'll just keep chugging along at 55 in a 55 MPH zone.

Happy motoring, from the Samsungs and Intels of the world.:laughing:
 
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captaincranky

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@iamcts
But at least you'll be free to talk on your smartphone, (or maybe) or maybe to your car, complaining about "unlimited data not really being really unlimited", as you chug along, regurgitating the endless whine of the "snowflake millennial".

Which by the way, in ancient times, we just called, p*****s
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
Btw, you missed the words in my sentence. Go back and read what the list contains.

Numbers have this strange habit of being cold and hard. Apples to apples, it's a better car. If you look at numbers and dislike them, because of your opinions, that's called your opinion. You can have an opinion and be wrong. That doesnt make Tesla a bad company, or a bad car.
Like @captaincranky said, statistics can be bent to virtually any form. It's their mathematical nature.

Millions of miles driven by self-driving cars is something I hear quoted quite a bit. But when you stop and take the time to apply critical thinking, just how many billions of miles have been driven by humans?

Marketing departments want you to believe that self-driving vehicles are better than humans, but until Teslas stop driving into stationary objects while in self-driving mode, you will never convince me that the Autopilot "feature" in Teslas is nothing more than what it really is - a marketing gimmick that Musk uses to boost his sales figures to the ignorant rich. Toyota has already figured out how to stop with their collision avoidance system, what on Earth is keeping Tesla from doing the same?

As I see it, the technology is not there yet, and it has a long way to go.