BigRedPDX
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Water "resistant" not Water "proof." There's a big difference there.
The EU aims to bring back easily replaceable phone batteries
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Water "resistant" not Water "proof." There's a big difference there.
QuantumPhysics
Posts: 6,306 +7,262
Waterproofing is the key.
User replaceable batteries and forcing Apple to use USB-C means compromises to the device integrity.
Apple should NOT comply.
User replaceable batteries and forcing Apple to use USB-C means compromises to the device integrity.
Apple should NOT comply.
ShagnWagn
Posts: 1,297 +1,086
Please explain, in detail. You don't think they can figure it out? Dang. That's a nice dig on the engineers at apple. LOL
QuantumPhysics
Posts: 6,306 +7,262
I don't want Apple devices to be anything like Android devices. Apple doesn't either. Do not comply.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Sure for someone that never uses their phone in the rain.
Changing the Battery costs about 40€ and takes about 1-2 Hours.
Uncle Al
Posts: 10,519 +10,149
Batteries, ear phone jacks ..... you know, there is no replacement for common sense .....
arrowflash
Posts: 646 +800
Should include laptops as well. There are quite a few models without easily replaceable batteries these days, requiring you to not only remove the device's cover, but unplug and remove quite a few internal components before reaching the battery.
In my Samsung laptop for example, you have to remove memory, hard drive, wi-fi card and the gpu heatsink before getting to the battery.
CharmsD
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Haha, that's something Apple could never figure out how to do. You nailed 'em tiger!
As much as I hate most of the ideas the EU comes up with, and believe me, some are really crazy, I infer this is actually a very good idea. Both of my last 2 handsets, once with battery life close to 4000 mAh , the other one with 5000 mAh, started losing their battery life very fast after about one year of use, despite using (in moderation) various technologies, battery care and what a not which should help battery life.
Now, I don't mind paying for a new battery, would have done it in a heartbeat, if only there was a possibility to change it myself. I can change battery now as well, of course, but I pay to the middle guy almost as much as the price of the actual battery.
Having batteries not readily replaceable by the user might make waterproofing easier, but definitely not impossible.
My last handset with an easily replaceable battery was Asus ZenFone 2 Laser. Even then, 2015 or 2016 probably, can't remember, handsets with user replaceable batteries were quite scarce and I had to look long and hard in order to find one that would also suit my other needs. Nowadays, the handset is still rocking perfectly fine with its new, about a half year old battery and went to the grandmother, who is very happy with it.
Now, I don't mind paying for a new battery, would have done it in a heartbeat, if only there was a possibility to change it myself. I can change battery now as well, of course, but I pay to the middle guy almost as much as the price of the actual battery.
Having batteries not readily replaceable by the user might make waterproofing easier, but definitely not impossible.
My last handset with an easily replaceable battery was Asus ZenFone 2 Laser. Even then, 2015 or 2016 probably, can't remember, handsets with user replaceable batteries were quite scarce and I had to look long and hard in order to find one that would also suit my other needs. Nowadays, the handset is still rocking perfectly fine with its new, about a half year old battery and went to the grandmother, who is very happy with it.
imdarkbreeze
Posts: 105 +86
I agree. I don't know a single person who would buy more than one battery replacement at a time for their phone. Seems like a completely fictional scenario.
Tbf the reasons for replacing my OP3 was because the battery life was getting less and less and that the camera wasn't very good. I'm hoping my 6T will last a longer with a bigger battery and much better camera module.
Yes. And longer lasting phones. And forced software upgrades. Yes. I'm in. All in. I am sick of non repairable, non replaceable garbage. And sick of Apple whining about their "uniqueness" in connectors. Good job EU.
Sure cost of tools, no more water resistant phone and so on? Nope. Make them plastic again
GamerNerves
Posts: 181 +109
Absolutely yes I miss them and I do want them back immediately! There are three major reasons why people swap their phone so early:
1. Reducing battery life, which is the most important one.
2. Software update that slows the phone down (aka the Samsung way).
3. Mashing your phone to pieces.
These three things can be corrected or alleviated by design. With replacable battery there is also the benefit of carrying a spare battery in your wallet always fully charged. This may sound goofy, but it's really smart.
The software updates should only benefit the customer, never reducing the experience, but unfortunately manufacturers get away with them, even scoring points for offering the update while in reality it hampers the experience. This is super scammy practice that Samsung still does!
Motorola already released a phone some time ago with non-cracking glass. There are easy ways to make the glass more durable, one is having little rubber knobs at the corners of the phone like in Sony Xperia Z3. Why even Sony does not utilize this smart design anymore or is it internal now? I seriously can't understand.
Smartphone business is scammy! EU is often not that functional nor useful system, but in this case like in many others they really help the customer. You should be thankful for this proposition whoever you are.
1. Reducing battery life, which is the most important one.
2. Software update that slows the phone down (aka the Samsung way).
3. Mashing your phone to pieces.
These three things can be corrected or alleviated by design. With replacable battery there is also the benefit of carrying a spare battery in your wallet always fully charged. This may sound goofy, but it's really smart.
The software updates should only benefit the customer, never reducing the experience, but unfortunately manufacturers get away with them, even scoring points for offering the update while in reality it hampers the experience. This is super scammy practice that Samsung still does!
Motorola already released a phone some time ago with non-cracking glass. There are easy ways to make the glass more durable, one is having little rubber knobs at the corners of the phone like in Sony Xperia Z3. Why even Sony does not utilize this smart design anymore or is it internal now? I seriously can't understand.
Smartphone business is scammy! EU is often not that functional nor useful system, but in this case like in many others they really help the customer. You should be thankful for this proposition whoever you are.
PenguinJoe
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Tams80
Posts: 225 +176
Good. It was an utter disgrace that manufacturers were allowed to make them 'sealed' in, in the first place.
They won't have a choice if the former passes and they don't have a choice on the latter if they want to sell phones in the EU.
They won't have a choice if the former passes and they don't have a choice on the latter if they want to sell phones in the EU.
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Adhmuz
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I'm not sure how people managed to survive without water resistant phones before it became the norm, however the current phone I have is the first phone I've had that was water "resistant" and it is also ironically enough the first phone I've had that has succumb to water damage problems. Mainly water infiltration around the camera resulting in poor picture quality for a number of weeks before it eventually evaporated, insubstantial at best, but I digress.Every single person, including myself, who spends time in a boat or around water such as a pool, rainstorm, or falling into/splashed with a puddle, etc etc. It takes a lot of worry out by not having to cradle our phones around water. Water resistant phones have saved my bank account quite a few times, as well as others.
All phones prior to have had no water resistance and instead replaceable batteries, a feature I did use on several of them, these same phones I used in the rain, around pools, on boats, etc... without ever having any water damage succumb to them. On the other hand replaceable batteries have saved more of my phones than water resistance. Perhaps I was part of a small minority that understood that "electronics = not a pool toy" and appreciated being able to pop a new battery into a phone simply by "popping" off the back panel and slapping in a new battery good for another few years before shelling out for a new device entirely.
I can swap a battery in about an hour, every two years. I'll take either sealed phones or a slightly thicker design with fasteners and a nice gasket. Just because the battery can be swapped doesn't mean the phone needs to be held together with cheap clips.
CharmsD
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The tiny black line of this gasket is all there is forming the Galaxy S5's water ingress 'resistance', this phone would continue to work after being underwater. You could pop the back off anytime to replace the battery, and you THROW it away if you just wanted a change of color. New ones cost about $3. Notice how the camera is not isolated, I believe the factory cover did surround that area independently. This picture is an aftermarket replacement.
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