Thermal grease or trust Intel?

By BillAllen55 ยท 40 replies
Dec 22, 2008
  1. BillAllen55

    BillAllen55 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 368

    From the nube

    After reading this tirade about the nonsensical question asking from a person that has been out of the circle of building or for that matter knowing anything about the 'latest and greatest' computer components/products, the only other question I would have for you sir is IF you find such inquiry as being some type of 'flogging' of your obvious superior overwhelming intelligence I would simply ask this WHY do you bother with us simple mortals? I would suggest that if you have nothing in a positive frame of mind to share you might consider what I was taught at a VERY early age that being of course - if you can't think of something nice to say don't say anything at all!
    (Referencing previous comments)
    The 'nube"
  2. hrlow2

    hrlow2 TS Rookie Posts: 136

    to BillAllen55
    3 weeks to make a comeback? Come on now.
  3. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 17,244   +234

    So BillAllen55,
    did you settle on the thermal paste or the "pad"?
  4. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,012   +2,536

    Well bill, I'm certainly flattered you chose the same avatar as me.

    As far as that reply goes, it actually wasn't directed at you. I suppose I should apologize for the confusion.

    I was directed at the histrionics who feel that you must clean any OEM paste off a heat sink unit, or your computer will overheat. As I stated before, I have seen reviews that claimed that Intel's OEM thermal compound outperformed some aftermarket brands. But, who knows who's lying there.

    Other than that, do you feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest? Did it actually take you three weeks to come up with your tirade?

    On the pad? What exactly did you mean by that, Mr Magic?
  5. hrlow2

    hrlow2 TS Rookie Posts: 136

    I believe he refers to the Intel pad he mentioned in post #2.
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,012   +2,536

    Oh, that "pad".
  7. BillAllen55

    BillAllen55 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 368

    Unlike some of you on here, I have work to do, am very busy. No, it did not take three weeks to respond, It took three weeks to find 'nothing to do' time, to respond to this type of answer.
    The only point of the response was to advise you of your histrionics
    and hopefully you might ask yourself 'why' do you answer these inquiries?
    Moving forward hopefully in a positive direction if I could suggest in a kindly fashion, one might think before putting the typing into gear. You are speaking to people that are painfully aware of their lack of computer savvy. not necessary I assure you, to go into how obviously simple some topics may seem to you.
    Come into my world of professional Customer Service. I would show you who was someone a bit more than mortal.

    ahhhh yes I'm all better now!

    I've settled on the Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX
    With the Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz as my processor.
    I'm understanding overclocking and other shenanigans will result in higher than normal temperatures. I'm not planning any of these acrobatics and yes have decided to go with the thermal pad that Intel provides with the processor. Thanks for your question. Taking me much longer than expected. Had no idea there were so many options. As I have said been out of 'latest and greatest' for about 6 years.
  8. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,012   +2,536

    For people Who Simply Won't Listen..............A Special "Re" Post....

    Dear Mr. Bill Allen, If you'd take a moment to reread (or perhaps read for the first time) my post as qouted above, you'll find that it's very civil, and if I dare say so, very informative.

    Note that's it's also a >>> second opinion<<<. Both TMagic and myself told you with unwaivering opinions (based in personal experience), to just slap your stock HSF on, and you'd likely live happily ever after.

    So, I guess my responses get more and more aggressive as I am required to repeat myself over and over. Much in the same way that I have had to repeat myself over and over to customer service representatives from Best Buy and Cooler Master recently. (Incidentally, to no avail whatsoever with respect to Cooler Master). CM's rep was very civil mind you, but she was obviously patronizing me, since I couldn't pry a stinking 10 cent plastic foot out of them, for a case that they shipped without it. Incidentally, neither could Newegg!

    We'll all volunteers here. Even still I suppose that's no excuse for rudeness. >>>which as I mentioned before, wasn't directed at you, but rather at the professionals who actually were overthinking your potential needs.<<<<<

    So, I suppose I could take offense at your rantings, But I really enjoy typing, and after all as you pointed out, you're the only one between the two of us that has anything to do. Why shouldn't I passively respond half a dozen times with encouragement and handholding. One could theorize (only theorize mind you), that it's a twitch awkward to find yourself in the role of a consumer, where you're always right, and as the saying goes, "power corrupts".

    Actually, I think I'm partly entitled to an apology, but we're here to help in anyway possible. If that should turn out to be as an emotional outlet, then so be it.

    Let's summarize, (I have nothing else to do, you said so yourself), You needed urgent advice for a HSF that you didn't own yet, to install on a motherboard you didn't even pick out yet, and you'rer angry, because you got 2 pages of responses to your dire , immediate, and overwhelming need. Is that correct?

    As a former salesman to a customer service rep, I ask you, "how's that for spin"?:D

    Anyway, (as I have little else to do), I'll recount my recent experiences with building a computer out of Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3(R) board and an Intel E7300 CPU with a Cooler Master HSF:

    I took the board out of the box, I put the CPU in it's socket, then I attached the HSF with it's factory applied thermal compound, and fired it up. It worked perfectly.

    Footnotes; The push pins on the HSF were slightly more difficult to attach than usual. I believe that this was due to the thicker than normal "2 oz copper" printed circuit board.

    For monetary and practical reasons, I was forced to settle for an E7300 rather than something more upscale. (Actually not a bad choice since I just barely max out my Emachines P4 rig).

    So see Bill, not only do we have the same avatar, but we share pretty much the same new computer.

    So, you have a great day, and give 'em hell! :evil:

    Epilog: Bill, I honestly enjoy prosaic confrontation as much (or more) than I do rambling on about computers. I want you to know that I'm here for you, if in the future, you determine the personal need for either. Wanna scream at me? No problem, I'm your guy. Need hardware advice? If I know anything, I'm more than willing to share. Truth!
  9. BillAllen55

    BillAllen55 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 368

    If my concern with your ego driven remarks were misunderstood, I apologize. I undoubtedly will take you up on your offer to display my obvious lack of computer skills in the days to come. I know I'm in for some periods of frustration building this beast. Because you say you counsel important clients, I have to tell you, I think most that are in the professional world speak on a daily basis to powerful wealthy clients. My thing is speaking to those that own BMW's, Bentley's, Porches Ferrari's, people that run Power Energy Companies. Doing what I can to keep their blood pressure where it belongs. When one is not familiar with a process one must 'hand hold' regardless if this is a retail site or one that owns a corporation, as all of the concerns are addressed. The more attitude and short cuts one may take during an explanation can, as this thread clearly shows disconnect the entire process.
  10. hrlow2

    hrlow2 TS Rookie Posts: 136

    About time you 2 old "coots" made peace.Sound so much alike that you could be twins.
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,012   +2,536

    Captaincranky Explains the Difference Between Thermal Paste and Money...

    Now hrlow2, how much extra effort would it have taken, to take the time to place the actual subject in the sentence above? Thus; "you" or "you two" sound so much...[ ].. Wouldn't that have been so much more evocative? Now wouldn't it? captaincranky asked more insistently and pedantically the second time! (Using an explanation point the second time to signal his impatience). (Life's a b***** when you are relegated to doing your own color commentary).:(

    For those of you that just tuned in to this thread, it's basically a combination of pseudo-intellectual theorization on the application of CPU thermal compound, (or not), and a forensic picnic about the effects of stress and money in the modern workplace.:rolleyes:

    First, we should establish the principle differences between money (hereafter "currency") and thermal compound (TC) hereafter)). The most salient difference between TC and "currency" is it's design objective. TC is intended to prevent a CPU from overheating. This diametrically opposes a very important primary function of "currency", which is to prevent your house from "underheating" in the Winter. TC (after it's initial application) fades from public view, but still continues to do it's job. Whereas on the other hand, money can remain in public view, yet may continually degrade in it's ability to do it's appointed task. TC is a tangible commodity which may fluctuate slightly in value during the course of it's chemically dictated lifespan, On the other hand "currency" is something that governments print, sometimes capriciously, that has no value in the first place. Yes, boys and girls, that means that TC exists whereas "currency" is a figment of your local (and federal) oppressor's imagination.:dead:

    The one spot of bright news is that computer sales haven't taken quite the same hit that other manufactured goods have, so this might be a good time to buy stock in Arctic Silver, or at in least Arctic Silver's silver mine. :grinthumb

    This is all so depressing that I don't think I can go on, but due to a trick of fate I live in a 2 story row home rather than a new york skyscraper, and I would probably only injure myself very badly by jumping out the window. Now if I were an investment banker, with access to the Chrysler Building, "success" would be assured. Here I say that the NYFD might come to my misguided selfs aid, and spread a overly thick layer of TC on the cold, hard, New York sidewalks, to break my fall. After which they would need to make the layer of TC much, much thinner, in order to prevent the pavement from overheating.

    I hope everyone realizes that this little diatribe is satire for satire's sake, and nothing more. Really, scout's honor

    Here again Bill, I'm sorry to disappoint you, and as much as it painful for me to admit this, I don't negotiate with wealthy or powerful people with any frequency whatsoever. They probably sense my "bad attitude" and unwillingness to concede to the fact that they are better than me. This will all be covered in my autobiography, which I think I'll call "Pariah? Yo, That's Me". Which I'll write someday, maybe, or maybe not. I wouldn't have the temperment to kiss Orca Winfrey's a** to get it on her read list anyway. One could only imagine the offbeat Conga line this would create, with my nose up her b*** and her nose still up Barack Obamas! Now that's prosaic imagery! ROFL ,---da,da- dah,dah,dat--phew,---da,da- dah,dah,dat--phew!
    OK, now here's where our understanding differs. First, installing the HSF is not a difficult process, as was stated in the preliminary responses. . So "shortcut" isn't really fair to apply. Handholding has it's place to be certain, but sometimes getting pushed into the deep end of the pool has it's merits as well.

    Consider these points; Building a computer isn't all that difficult. It obviously requires a fair amount of knowledge and some skill. More than that, it requires confidence. Knowledge yields confidence. Many books have been written about building computers, much information is available freely on the web. Paranoia is described as fear of the unknown, so if you know what's going to happen or what to expect, then anxiety should be, if not eliminated, then reasonably well suppressed.

    Now, here's how to build a computer, brought to you by none other than Intel itself, enjoy;

    Well OK, a better person than myself might refrain from ruining the suprise, but I gotta be me. You'll note that Intel suggests taking the CPU heat sink out of the box, and installing it without replacing the thermal compound. They certainly are a bunch of confident, almost ****y, a******s, aren't they? One thing we might do here is to kick this over to a poll thread, with the stated purpose of determining, "how many of our members think they know more than Intel about Intel stock heatsinks, thermal compound, and fans? Wow, why didn't I think of that sooner. That last remark obviously wasn't directed at you Bill, please take it for what it is.

    I guess next I'll complain about unnecessary censorship, It's unfair I tell you! I justifiably took responsibility for and self edited the second word, but the site took out the first of it's own volition, unreasonably so I think.

    *The Disclaimer* Most if not all of the foregoing material is proffered for entertainment purposes only. Well, not the Intel build a computer link, that's real.
  12. hrlow2

    hrlow2 TS Rookie Posts: 136

    Not everybody has the lungs for such a long speech. (LOL)
  13. BillAllen55

    BillAllen55 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 368

    Yo Crank :)

    Thank you for your amusing diatribe. You have much more of a sense of humor than what I had originally thought. I feel as if I may have left you with the wrong impression of my concerns and I appreciate you writing back in the context set. I've read many of the posts from this forum and others and feel with a little luck and someone willing to 'push' me into the deep waters :wave: I will be fine. I guess the biggest surprise in this entire project was the differences encountered with the process from what I did 6-7 years ago. I know how you like to write and amuse yourself with the extraordinary ability you have with words. So I will not take up precious time writing any more here. I thank you for your encouragement the lightness of the response was pleasant. I look forward to making inquiry once again from one old 'coot' to another. :D
  14. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +10

    Well, you should be needed there. You have all that experience on eMachines that makes you a devotee for lost causes.
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,012   +2,536

    Are you sure you don't mean "just" causes:p:haha::wave:
  16. hrlow2

    hrlow2 TS Rookie Posts: 136

    to captaincranky
    I believe that you may have the right of it on this one.
    There are a lot of people that have eMachines simply because they were a cheaper PC so that they were available to more people. They turned out to be better than some people thought that they would be.
    I feel(honestly) that you are a good knowledge resource for them to turn to.
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