The basics are just as easy on Android as they are on IOS. And none of the apps in the Play store scrape bank account information or anything else. I've been using Android for over a decade with no such issues, ever. And at least I can easily and wirelessly transfer files on my phone to and from my PC. Doing something even that simple is a nightmare in IOS.
Tim Cook says Android has 47 times more malware than iOS because of sideloading
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GregonMaui
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wiyosaya
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So crApple has to resort to scaring people to sell iPhones? 
crApple marketing likes to try to rope its sheep - like that TV commercial that uses the song "Candy Man" to sell their phones. 
People actually fall for this marketing
crApple marketing likes to try to rope its sheep - like that TV commercial that uses the song "Candy Man" to sell their phones. GregonMaui
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the only problem with your post is, Cook is right. You can never tire of childishness, it is always a classicSo crApple has to resort to scaring people to sell iPhones?
People actually fall for this marketing
wiyosaya
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The only problem with your post is that as others have pointed out, they will find ways to sideload despite what Crook says.
If it takes a childish commercial to get people to buy a phone, I think that says something about how crApple feels about their customers. Children to be exploited, perhaps, regardless of age?? Its pandering, IMO.
defaultluser
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You aren't kidding.
Your only option for iOS is Apple hardware
Your only option for a capable ios accessory is the overpriced iWatch.
your only option if you want to install open-source apps is pay $700 for a Macintosh to hook it up to, and then shell-out $100 for a development's account.
Apple's favorite game here is lock-in
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Xallisto
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No Tim, it is down the user to decide what is or is not good for them.
Nobody who does not want to sideload apps has to sideload them.
And those who do are fully aware of the risk they take by doing so, what they don't need is Apple acting like an extremely controling parent.
Nobody who does not want to sideload apps has to sideload them.
And those who do are fully aware of the risk they take by doing so, what they don't need is Apple acting like an extremely controling parent.
Bao Nguyen
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Nice saying, it indeed helps Apple to keep the monopoly of appstore on iOS devices.
amghwk
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It's all about control. Apple wants you to use only the apps that can bring money to Apple. It doesn't want a single penny lost to a third party without getting it's cut.
Darth Shiv
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As an engineer who likes the control Android gives, what Cook says is still a fact. If I were making a safe ecosystem, I absolutely would do what Apple does. As a control freak I don't like Apple limiting my ability to customise and add support for other audio codecs etc but it's just completely false to suggest there isn't a massive security advantage doing what they do. You're just lying to yourself.
Darth Shiv
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The lockin was upfront with the initial release of the ecosystem. Developers and users have been in full awareness of it from day dot. They have provided a safer environment because of the lockin. Control cuts both ways. Whining about it now... if you don't like it, don't use Apple. Simple.You aren't kidding.
Your only option for iOS is Apple hardware
Your only option for a capable ios accessory is the overpriced iWatch.
your only option if you want to install open-source apps is pay $700 for a Macintosh to hook it up to, and then shell-out $100 for a development's account.
Apple's favorite game here is lock-in
I use iOS, don't particularly like the lockin but the reasoning is sound. Android is a lot easier to use but let's not kid ourselves. iOS is a lot safer for non-IT people. Would never use OSX. Windows is still far far far superior for end users.
Darth Shiv
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Nowhere on the planet considers that a human right. Get a jailbroken old iOS device then. It has been done.
Cubi Dorf
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I don’t think you should have to hack your device to be allowed to load app. that is my opinion.
Eldritch
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'Children if allowed to roam and play are 79x more likely to be injured'
'People if allowed to drive are 50x time more likely to get into accidents. Buses pose less risk.'
'Elderly if allowed to walk, increase the chance of falling and getting injured by 28x times.'
Well, lets restrain them all. Its for their own good!
'People if allowed freedom of choice are 100x times more likely to make mistakes'
Let's take away their choices then. We will decide what's good and what's not.
Bit of stretch, but do understand that all our actions have inherent risks. It's the nature of things and choices we make are what make us learn. Just reducing people to such low levels, where you think you know what's better for them is absurd.
I have bank accounts, cards etc. If I make a mistake, click a phishing link, reply to some fraud call etc then I may lose money.
Does this mean I shall not have access to my bank account or that since online payments increase risk of fraud by 40x times, we shall disallow online payments?
No!
All of us are adults, we can make choices. We do it a hundred times everyday.
Just disable Sideloading by Default and bury it deep in setting with warning messages. If any one is dedicated enough to go to settings, find it, go through warning messages and still enable it then it is fair to assume he is capable of understanding what he is doing.
'People if allowed to drive are 50x time more likely to get into accidents. Buses pose less risk.'
'Elderly if allowed to walk, increase the chance of falling and getting injured by 28x times.'
Well, lets restrain them all. Its for their own good!
'People if allowed freedom of choice are 100x times more likely to make mistakes'
Let's take away their choices then. We will decide what's good and what's not.
Bit of stretch, but do understand that all our actions have inherent risks. It's the nature of things and choices we make are what make us learn. Just reducing people to such low levels, where you think you know what's better for them is absurd.
I have bank accounts, cards etc. If I make a mistake, click a phishing link, reply to some fraud call etc then I may lose money.
Does this mean I shall not have access to my bank account or that since online payments increase risk of fraud by 40x times, we shall disallow online payments?
No!
All of us are adults, we can make choices. We do it a hundred times everyday.
Just disable Sideloading by Default and bury it deep in setting with warning messages. If any one is dedicated enough to go to settings, find it, go through warning messages and still enable it then it is fair to assume he is capable of understanding what he is doing.
I've side loaded apps on Android quite often, and I feel there are pros and cons to it. Generally I side load apps because I can't find an app in my location, or for some boot loader unlocked phones, you can can't download some apps. So that's where I find that its useful. On iOS, the former is still a problem, but the latter generally don't exist. The flip side of side loading apps is that the APK, depending on source, may be tampered and indeed may contain malicious content in there. So Apple's argument is factually correct, though the main reason is of course, side loading means lost income through the app store. Apple actually some what allow corporate application to "side load", installing apps through the corporate's App Store.
Frankly, I prefer to have the freedom to install what I want, when I want, from any source. if you are an isheep, yeah, you need apple to protect you.
It also makes it a worse platform for end users that want more than just a few "curated" apps. I don't want Apple to tell me what app I'm allowed to install or not and how much I should customise my phone. Especially if all of this can be just a switch somewhere easy to turn on/off.
For example: the lack of proper browser choice makes the iOS objectively worse and it's also slowing down web development by several years.
Beyond iOS let me give you an example of extreme stupidity for MacOS (that also applies to iOS in many ways). After an OS update to Big Sur, all Apple applications also get updated, but you can't go back a version, it's impossible. After Keynote got updated it broke so many things (backwards compatibility wise), like being unable to use CMD+B to bold text on custom installed fonts and many layout issues. Why the F can't I install a version of Keynote that I want? Are Apple users that low IQ that they need Apple to spoon feed them?
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Dude has the nerves to tell this right after
1. Apple had to keep patching multiple zero-day (=already exploited) critical vulnerabilities on iOS virtually every week for the last 3 months or so
2. a study has been published which exposed that multiple dozen in the top 1000 apps in App Store are actually right out scams, and even the rest are all harvesting user data
3. a document in the Epic-Apple case has exposed greed (not security or technicalities) being the only reason why Apple didn't bring features and services like FaceTime to other OSes
1. Apple had to keep patching multiple zero-day (=already exploited) critical vulnerabilities on iOS virtually every week for the last 3 months or so
2. a study has been published which exposed that multiple dozen in the top 1000 apps in App Store are actually right out scams, and even the rest are all harvesting user data
3. a document in the Epic-Apple case has exposed greed (not security or technicalities) being the only reason why Apple didn't bring features and services like FaceTime to other OSes
Bobbydpue
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I'm a smart phone user I don't care how easy development is for the platform since that doesn't directly affect me.
Bobbydpue
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No just because I use an iphone doesn't make me a sheep. I bought too much stuff in Apple's ecosystem to move to Android and that's exactly what Apple's plan was from the beginning. I'm stuck due to hundreds of dollars I spent on music, movies, TV shows and application that I don't really own. I'd love to be able to make my phone look the way I want to, but I can't.
Darth Shiv
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Then iOS isn't for you. What is so hard to understand?
captaincranky
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If you continually graze in Apple's pasture, you can legitimately anticipate being called a "sheep".
Or like, "(citation needed), oft stated pun goes, "hey I resemble that remark".
As of a couple of years ago, Apple won a copyright case in in British courts, which makes it now, "illegal", to use iTunes Mp3s, to combine into the familiar "mixed tape".
I still buy CDs, first because they sound way better, and I don't have some a**hole at Apple looking over my shoulder, about the way I use their contents.
As for movies, DVDs for me are either "buy me", or "rent me" from Redbox".
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