Tim Cook says Apple will appeal judge's order to unlock San Bernardino shooter's iPhone

captaincranky

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I was told the other night that, "people more intelligent than me, think the phone should stay locked".

Apparently Bill Gates, who is likely quite a bit more intelligent than me, (although I am loath to admit it), essentially agrees with me. "One phone, with one warrant, the means to unlock it, stays with Apple. Final answer.
 
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Technician

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I'm with Apple. Unlock (give access to) one iPhone & you'll have to unlock ALL of them if asked. IMO.
You mean like their privacy policy already states? So they will be forced to do what they said they would do, that's just awful.
From Apple privacy policy
It may be necessary − by law, legal process, litigation, and/or requests from public and governmental authorities within or outside your country of residence − for Apple to disclose your personal information. We may also disclose information about you if we determine that for purposes of national security, law enforcement, or other issues of public importance, disclosure is necessary or appropriate.
In this case the way they would share the information is by making the phone accessible to authorities. They have no trouble giving away all the info they collect, and this is info the phone they made collected. They even give your personal info to their partners for advertising etc.
Of course, that makes them money, and this doesn't.
 

Technician

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I was told the other night that, "people more intelligent than me, think the phone should stay locked".

Apparently Bill Gates, who is likely quite a bit more intelligent than me, (although I am loath to admit it), agrees with me. "One phone, with one warrant, the means to unlock it, stays with Apple. Final answer.
That's a cop out because apple could take the phone, gather the information and then give it back without giving the means to get the information to the authorities anyways.
 

cliffordcooley

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That's a cop out because apple could take the phone, gather the information and then give it back without giving the means to get the information to the authorities anyways.
No they can't because that is what the NSA is asking for, the means to unlock any iPhone in the future. That is the only negative aspect of the whole discussion. It's not about the data, it's about the master key and who holds it. Giving this master key to anyone would be a mistake.
 

captaincranky

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That's a cop out because apple could take the phone, gather the information and then give it back without giving the means to get the information to the authorities anyways.
I was stating my position, not quoting Gates directly. But that's exactly what I said. Please read my post again. For clarification I added the word "essentially". That and MY opinion, have been re4ndered in bold
 

Technician

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No they can't because that is what the NSA is asking for, the means to unlock any iPhone in the future. That is the only negative aspect of the whole discussion. It's not about the data, it's about the master key and who holds it. Giving this master key to anyone would be a mistake.
You prefer the master key be in the hands of corporate America because they always have your best interests at heart, right?
 

cliffordcooley

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You prefer the master key be in the hands of corporate America because they always have your best interests at heart, right?
If I buy an operating system from someone, I'm not going to be delusional in thinking they don't have or can't program a backdoor into their own software. I will expect however they don't open such doors to governments that can both incriminate and prosecute. And giving them the master key allows them access without first needing a warrant.
 

captaincranky

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IMHO If you do it for one, you got to do it for all.
That's a bit trite, or an oversimplification, if you will.

With privacy and "freedom from unreasonable search and seizure", being a constitutional guarantee, that means the ability to open any phone, cannot, and should not, rest with the authorities.

I still think the contents of the phone, should be made accessible to law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant.

In the court case which only might follow, Apple should be permitted to testify as, "an expert witness", without being forced to "divulge trade secrets".

Apple's refusal to supply the data contained on the phone, is actually helping lawmakers respond with legislation forcing phones to be manufactured with a "back door" already in place. And that's what ushers in your 1984 doomsday scenario, not Apple refusing to open this single phone.

And remember kidz, you may have elected these pieces of s*** running your governments, but you certainly aren't controlling what they do in office.

Which boyz and girlz is why, it's now technically illegal to make a "mixed tape" in Great Britain. Do you think the British public voted for anything that draconian on their own? No, they didn't. Copyright holders either/or/and, lobbied or bribed legislators and judges to make it so.

Basically, ranting on about "loss of future privacy", is the very action which will cause you to lose it.
 
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learninmypc

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That's a bit trite, or an oversimplification, if you will.

With privacy and "freedom from unreasonable search and seizure", being a constitutional guarantee, that means the ability to open any phone, cannot, and should not, rest with the authorities.

I still think the contents of the phone, should be made accessible to law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant.

In the court case which only might follow, Apple should be permitted to testify as, "an expert witness", without being forced to "divulge trade secrets".

Apple's refusal to supply the data contained on the phone, is actually helping lawmakers respond with legislation forcing phones to be manufactured with a "back door" already in place. And that's what ushers in your 1984 doomsday scenario, not Apple refusing to open this single phone.

And remember kidz, you may have elected these pieces of s*** running your governments, but you certainly aren't controlling what they do in office.

Which boyz and girlz is why, it's now technically illegal to make a "mixed tape" in Great Britain. Do you think the British public voted for anything that draconian on their own? No, they didn't. Copyright holders either/or/and, lobbied or bribed legislators and judges to make it so.

Basically, ranting on about "loss of future privacy", is the very action which will cause you to lose it.
Perhaps Apple should have Mr. FBI meet them in a specific room to unlock it, read the contents & lock it back up. I dunno, it is getting interesting :)
 

Technician

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Yeah I saw that, they are now grasping at straws since they see all the sales they are losing and seeing public opinion swinging away from them. It's kind of sad, but they were given a chance to co-operate with authorities as their privacy policy says they will.
The only reason they didn't was because they saw a chance to grab a headline.
 

cliffordcooley

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The only reason they didn't was because they saw a chance to grab a headline.
You can't make up your mind which side of the fence you want to stand on. You said only Apple knows why they did this. So by your own words your comment above is null and void.
 

Technician

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You can't make up your mind which side of the fence you want to stand on. You said only Apple knows why they did this. So by your own words your comment above is null and void.
You're right, I should have included the qualifier "Based on what Apple has done so far in it's history, a history that includes sacking Steve Jobs because they thought it would make them more money,"...The only reason they didn't was because they saw a chance to grab a headline. (and possibly cater to the 'gansta' mentality that their new original show is supposed to draw in.)
Thanks for that, good catch. :)
I thought it was implied, but as you pointed out not everyone will figure that out on their own.
 
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Technician

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Most agree with you and the gap is widening by the hour. The longer Apple delays the more people are potentially put in danger. The FBI side seems to be the side of reason. (edit) ...in this case.
 
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