mcborge
Posts: 599 +487
The number of hours I've put into this game over the past couple of years... Its not even funny... I live on creative mode. and if MS thinks they can ruin that with sabotage to steam then I will not be a happy bunny.
Tim Sweeney says Microsoft will slowly break Steam with future Windows 10 updates
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UWP is a must for Microsoft in order to evolve, but they won't kill off win32 programmings. UWP will inevitably turn off some people and threaten some platforms, Steam included. I am not saying Tim Sweeney is right or wrong, but to conclude from his speech that MS hasn't learned and is forcing people's hands is very one-sided.
Steam is the best buying games worlwide! I cant live my life without steam! steam is my family too. whenever steam will break in future I wil going to die an old lady, warm in my bed. Not here...Not this night. Do you understand me? MICROSOFT? I repeat do you UNDERSTAND ME MICROSOFT?
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Excuse me, but how special are you exactly?! Its a rhetoric
Badvok
Posts: 367 +199
ROFL, Win32 is a general name for the low level Windows API, nothing to do with 32 vs 64 bit applications.
But I totally agree that Tim Sweeney's talking nonsense. Though of course Microsoft have been known to shoot themselves in the foot, just look at Windows 8.
This is entirely BS, especially given that MS boasts that they have no plans to limit win32 support (it took forever to lose 8/16bit support, and it's good that they are gone), and the fact that Steam has stated they plan on supporting both win32 and uwp releases for the foreseeable future..
erickmendes
Posts: 1,136 +629
Sure MS is going to drive it's OS to it's side... They are no Linux, they don't seek freedom for the users... But they wouldn't end support for win32 apps too soon because there's zillions of commercial and in-house enterprise apps that's not only win32 but sometimes even more ancient...
MS earned it's money for decades for companies bound to Windows client, with a lot of decade lasting legacy apps needing to be kept thru back compability with say Windows 7...
If they break that back compability golden rule in Windows 10, that would be full throttle into great enterprise loss. MS already have lost terrain on a lot of places, like infrastructure (dns, dhcp, web proxy), sure they products are strong but they are not the only viable solution for long time. They still have some command on AD and other services, but where MS hand weights more surely is on the Windows client.
Break it and Windows become Apple's mac OS, a walled garden solution that don't fit the enterprise space.
MS earned it's money for decades for companies bound to Windows client, with a lot of decade lasting legacy apps needing to be kept thru back compability with say Windows 7...
If they break that back compability golden rule in Windows 10, that would be full throttle into great enterprise loss. MS already have lost terrain on a lot of places, like infrastructure (dns, dhcp, web proxy), sure they products are strong but they are not the only viable solution for long time. They still have some command on AD and other services, but where MS hand weights more surely is on the Windows client.
Break it and Windows become Apple's mac OS, a walled garden solution that don't fit the enterprise space.
CaptainTom
Posts: 414 +221
This kind f mentality is exactly what is holding Linux back. Without a way to profit no company will ever give Linux the support it needs to take on Windows.
What if it was just $10? Would that really be so bad to pay $10 instead of $100?
EndlessWaves
Posts: 192 +46
So Microsoft are going to convince developers of the advantages of UWP, get games made that require it and then they're slowly going to move over to making UWP the primary games store?
Now where have I seen that before?
Oh yes, it's exactly the same tactics Valve used with Steam.
The current situation isn't an open market. For far too many games nowadays you buy the steam version or you can't play it on a PC at all. All this would do is exchange the current walled garden for a new one.
The current lack of choice can't get much worse and if we do have a fight then there'll no doubt be other options springing up to take advantage. Maybe we'll even end up with a gaming community prepared to support some diversity in how games are delivered.
And given Microsoft's history and large number of business customers it wouldn't surprise me if UWP ended up being more open than Steam is.
Now where have I seen that before?
Oh yes, it's exactly the same tactics Valve used with Steam.
The current situation isn't an open market. For far too many games nowadays you buy the steam version or you can't play it on a PC at all. All this would do is exchange the current walled garden for a new one.
The current lack of choice can't get much worse and if we do have a fight then there'll no doubt be other options springing up to take advantage. Maybe we'll even end up with a gaming community prepared to support some diversity in how games are delivered.
And given Microsoft's history and large number of business customers it wouldn't surprise me if UWP ended up being more open than Steam is.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Which was first the chicken or the egg?
I'd pay near the cost of Windows, but not until there was sufficient support to compete with Windows. As it is there are no Linux Distros with a promise of competing support. So I'm not willing to invest even a percentage of value on Windows.
daThomas
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Spence1115
Posts: 60 +50
Yeah, that's a huge ask, and not something they're going to do. They tried something similar with Windows RT. Guess what? Noone made anything. It won't happen, they're not dumb enough to kill off every piece of software ever just to get people to use their store.
Spence1115
Posts: 60 +50
Also, does he realise Microsoft still sells stuff via Steam?
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So its not just because I have all of microsoft blocked except for the upgrade IPs?
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So its not just because I have all of microsoft blocked except for the upgrade IPs?
Pretty sure Linux dominates the server and mobile market.
EEatGDL
Posts: 770 +501
Absolutely ridiculous: the moment they remove support for Win32, the moment you break Windows. Web browsers wouldn't work, the non-latest productivity suites wouldn't work, all the games outside of Windows Store, pretty much >98% of SW for Windows out there wouldn't work. The rant from enterprise and consumers going back to previous Windows versions would force them to backtrack in less than a day. Yes, they could force it for Office and other first-party products, but there's so much third-party software that runs over Win32 that even thinking about it is calling for chaos.
Also, people in the comments here are confusing things. Win32 is for both 32 and 64-bit applications, think of your average program outside of metro. Being 64-bit doesn't mean it uses UWP, so the guy linking to 64-bit games on Steam... WTF dude.
Also, people in the comments here are confusing things. Win32 is for both 32 and 64-bit applications, think of your average program outside of metro. Being 64-bit doesn't mean it uses UWP, so the guy linking to 64-bit games on Steam... WTF dude.
CaptainTom
Posts: 414 +221
We are talking about consumer and gaming here. Thank you.
no, No, NO! This is the exact thinking that leads to walled gardens and is diametrically apposed to the ideals and philosophy of Linux and open source. What would be better is to make it as efficient as possible to code large projects with fewer people and for groups to prioritize interoperability with different standards (outside of their control). Linux strongest feature is its malleability, you take that away and you have something allot like mac's are theses days - closed source nix* variant.
danwat1234
Posts: 19 +3
Very simple to disable Windows Updates. Not all Doom4 and gloom!
First go to Services and shut off Windows Update and disable it. Refresh Services to make sure it isn't running.
Now navigate to \windows\system32\ and find files wuaueng.dll and wuauclt.exe. If you can find the former, then look for wuauserv.dll.
For each, go to properties, security, advanced.
Click change owner and type in your user name, Click Check Names to select your user name and Click ok. Then Click Apply or Ok on the main window and close it and reopen it.
Now, you can change permissions for all users.
Delete/Remove permissions from all users and Click Ok.
If that doesn't work, then change owner to Administrator, close the window and try again.
That's it.
To re-enable, add "Read/Execute" permissions to System on wuaueng.dll or whichever dll you have. Doesn't need it on wuauclt.exe for some reason.
First go to Services and shut off Windows Update and disable it. Refresh Services to make sure it isn't running.
Now navigate to \windows\system32\ and find files wuaueng.dll and wuauclt.exe. If you can find the former, then look for wuauserv.dll.
For each, go to properties, security, advanced.
Click change owner and type in your user name, Click Check Names to select your user name and Click ok. Then Click Apply or Ok on the main window and close it and reopen it.
Now, you can change permissions for all users.
Delete/Remove permissions from all users and Click Ok.
If that doesn't work, then change owner to Administrator, close the window and try again.
That's it.
To re-enable, add "Read/Execute" permissions to System on wuaueng.dll or whichever dll you have. Doesn't need it on wuauclt.exe for some reason.
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