TSMC founder says Intel was wrong to pursue the foundry model

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In a nutshell: Pat Gelsinger's vision of transforming Intel into a chip foundry might have been a recipe for failure, but many industry experts argue that his departure was premature. TSMC founder Morris Chang has consistently questioned this strategy, suggesting that Intel could have pursued a more lucrative path by capitalizing on the booming AI market.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. founder Morris Chang said Intel should have prioritized designing artificial intelligence processors rather than attempting to reclaim its leadership in process technology and transition into a contract chipmaker.

While attending the launch of the second volume of his autobiography, Chang expressed his confusion over Pat Gelsinger's departure from Intel. Like many industry analysts, he questioned whether the decision stemmed from flawed strategy or poor execution.

The relentless demand for AI chips has proven highly beneficial for the semiconductor industry. The sector is poised to end 2024 on a high note, following several consecutive months of sales growth and achieving a record-breaking monthly sales total in October.

TSMC supplies most of the world's leading-edge silicon, including Nvidia's highly sought-after artificial intelligence GPUs. For over three years, Intel has struggled to reinvent its foundry business and attract customers with key capabilities, such as advanced packaging for systems-on-chip, but with limited success.

Chang believes this approach was flawed, as it ignored the market's realities, where companies of all sizes have scrambled to acquire as much AI hardware as possible. Notably, Nvidia – despite not owning chip factories – generates tens of billions of dollars annually by selling artificial intelligence processors and is now one of the world's most valuable companies.

While Intel spends significantly more on research and development than its rivals, these resources have mostly been directed toward areas like process technology and a faltering discrete GPU business. Meanwhile, the company has deprioritized AI technologies like Gaudi and its related software ecosystem.

The situation was further complicated by Gelsinger's remarks about TSMC, which he used to promote Intel's foundry efforts. These comments soured the company's relationship with the Taiwanese semiconductor giant. In his recently released biography, Chang recalls a critical moment in the 1980s when Intel declined an offer to invest in TSMC.

Chang also noted that following Gelsinger's resignation last week, Intel's future looks more uncertain than ever. Finding a new CEO and developing a fresh strategy to turn things around will take time, a luxury that Team Blue no longer has.

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I respect Chang's intelligence and know-how about semiconductors and he is probably right in hindsight but it is hard to take him seriously about Intel abandoning its efforts to be a contract chipmaker. That only helps TSMC, easy to see the conflict of interest here.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing. TSMC being the only chip maker in the world that can utilize cutting edge nodes is horrible for ALL OF US. A fight over chip fabrication could be what starts WW3. An since they're the only ones with high enough yields to be profitable, they can charge whatever they want. It's not that other fabs can't make chips, it's just that yields are low
 
Man knows if the US doesnt need/rely on their teet then their China shield may go away or be somewhat weakened. this goes way beyond money in his eyes...probably.
 
Ok, so if foundries are such a bad idea....where are TSMC's AI processing units? Where is their software?

I think what he meant is that intel having their own fabs was bad FOR TSMC.

EDIT: its also just blatantly wrong. For the 65 watt class, as an example, Intel's efficiency with chips like the 12th gen i5 is fantastic. It's only the stuff cranked to 11 that goes silly. intel has hit a hard spot but you dont throw away decades of performance over a hiccup.
 
I respect Chang's intelligence and know-how about semiconductors and he is probably right in hindsight but it is hard to take him seriously about Intel abandoning its efforts to be a contract chipmaker. That only helps TSMC, easy to see the conflict of interest here.
Yes, and right around the time when TSMC is planning to continuously increase the cost of using their latest process node. Chang would love it if everyone else abandoned more advanced lithography so that TSMC can charge any amount they want, since there would be no competition.
 
yeah, I was thinking the same thing. TSMC being the only chip maker in the world that can utilize cutting edge nodes is horrible for ALL OF US. A fight over chip fabrication could be what starts WW3. An since they're the only ones with high enough yields to be profitable, they can charge whatever they want. It's not that other fabs can't make chips, it's just that yields are low

"A fight over chip fabrication could be what starts WW3" and there is how you lost everyone, lmao.
 
Ok, so if foundries are such a bad idea....where are TSMC's AI processing units? Where is their software?

I think what he meant is that intel having their own fabs was bad FOR TSMC.

EDIT: its also just blatantly wrong. For the 65 watt class, as an example, Intel's efficiency with chips like the 12th gen i5 is fantastic. It's only the stuff cranked to 11 that goes silly. intel has hit a hard spot but you dont throw away decades of performance over a hiccup.
12th gen was peak Intel. I recently got a 12700 non-k, B760 and 32GB of ram for $250 used. Into the rack it goes. I plan on throwing a 128GB kit of ECC in there and turning it into an SSD based NAS. Atleast that's the idea, I'll probably just throw in an SSD as a cache drive and replace my aging HDDs with new HDDs. Haven't had a failure on any of them yet, but I have 5 drives in there and it's been running 24/7 for nearly 4 years and the drives were "refurbished" ebay drives to begin with. I have 5 8TB drives in raid 6 for a total of 24TB of storage. I can get 5 new 20TB NAS drives for the cost of 3 8TB SSDs so we'll see what I end up doing with it.
 
"A fight over chip fabrication could be what starts WW3" and there is how you lost everyone, lmao.
The whole US Chips ACT is founded on the idea of bringing chip fabrication to the US so that if China invades Taiwan we will still have access to cutting edge chip manufacturing. TSMC has stated that they have a self destruct mechanism on their EUV machines for the sole purpose of preventing China from gaining access to their cutting edge chip nodes in the event of an invasion. That would cause a global shortage. It's a real problem with countries that don't give two s%#ts about the US preparing for it.
 
Man knows if the US doesnt need/rely on their teet then their China shield may go away or be somewhat weakened. this goes way beyond money in his eyes...probably.

On the other hand, global inter-reliance (trade) is a strong deterrent for war. If everyone is completely self reliant, that goes away. I'm not saying in this instance that the US should not have cutting edge chip fabs (or Europe either for that matter) but the idea that nobody should rely on anyone else is in potentially flawed. It's healthy that we need each other.
 
The whole US Chips ACT is founded on the idea of bringing chip fabrication to the US so that if China invades Taiwan we will still have access to cutting edge chip manufacturing. TSMC has stated that they have a self destruct mechanism on their EUV machines for the sole purpose of preventing China from gaining access to their cutting edge chip nodes in the event of an invasion. That would cause a global shortage. It's a real problem with countries that don't give two s%#ts about the US preparing for it.

That may be true, but good luck finding a motherboard to plug that chip into if Taiwan is cut off.
 
That may be true, but good luck finding a motherboard to plug that chip into if Taiwan is cut off.
I don't think you understand how prevalent "integrated circuts" are in our world today. This has nothing to do with building a gaming computer
 
TSMC has become such a monopoly and a manufacturing bottleneck, the system desperately needs some competitors.
 
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