Uber reaches settlement with family of woman killed by its self-driving vehicle

[wiyosaya]

I have been driving for 42-years, and when I drive through areas where I know jaywalking occurs, my eyes are always scanning both sides of the road and everything in front of me.

When the crosswalks are spaced a mile or more apart on long stretches of both urban (I.e., populated) and highly trafficked streets, it is ridiculous of authorities to assume that people will walk even a quarter-mile to cross at a crosswalk - illegal as jaywalking may be. In my area, it is exceptionally rare for cross-walks to be anywhere other than intersections.

Many years ago, I was in Toronto and there seemed to me to be plenty of crosswalks - and not necessarily at intersections. I was confounded when I was standing at a crosswalk waiting for traffic to clear and cars were stopping in order to allow me to cross. That simply does not happen in the US. This attitude of crossing at a crosswalk that the US has is, in my eyes, total BS. In any circumstance, at a crosswalk or not, a pedestrian should have the right-of-way.

As I see it, the woman should have been more attentive to what she was doing, I agree, but to me, giving a pedestrian the right-of-way in all circumstances where possible should be the rule, not the exception.

 

[Skjorn]

I don't know how having your car registered is relevant, but okay. There are good drivers, there are bad drivers, but no one is a PERFECT DRIVER. I'm calling you a liar because I admit to my human nature and will fess up to the fact that I, myself, am not a perfect driver. I'm sure anyone with any sizable amount of driving experience will admit they looked at their phone, accidentally ran a stop sign or went too fast. You're trying to use the fact that I'm HONEST about my driving habits and how people drive in general to discredit me.

Not only that, you are trying to use the fact that I admit to distracted driving to try to say that the accident would have been avoided if the driver behind the wheel was giving it their full attention. I gave that video my full attention and I could not have reacted in time to stop. Swerving is ALSO dangerous. what if you swerve out of instinct and hit someone else instead? What if you wreck into a guard rail and kill yourself because some ***** wanted to walk out in front of you? That stuff really does happen.

I also want to see how you got "in town" from that video. It looks like a video of a 2 lane highway leading INTO town, but not in town. I also want you to make the case that Tesla, Intel, the police and the highway safety association are all wrong in saying that it wasn't the Uber's fault. Please, give us your infinite wisdom

Hence the reason I say you're full of it. If you think you've never made a mistake while driving or let your attention lapse then you are one of the most dangerous drivers on the road.

It's called defensive driving, techniques are developed. Go take a course.

 

[yRaz]

It's called defensive driving, techniques are developed. Go take a course.

I feel honored to be talking to a driving savant, think you for your insight

 

[Skjorn]

I feel honored to be talking to a driving savant, think you for your insight

Thank*
You get lower insurance rates usually if you take a defensive driving course too. It's so people don't drive down the road with tunnel vision. You could probably learn a lot really.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Thank*
You get lower insurance rates usually if you take a defensive driving course too.

That's as big a joke as hunters education. The only thing that teaches people how to drive is experience.

 

[yRaz]

Thank*
You get lower insurance rates usually if you take a defensive driving course too. It's so people don't drive down the road with tunnel vision. You could probably learn a lot really.

Your arrogance is really starting to piss me off. You say I'm a bad driver because I know I'm not a perfect driver. I drive over 30,000 miles a year and have never been in an accident. Your attacking me personally now because you couldn't actually counter my argument. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is over

 

[Skjorn]

That's as big a joke as hunters education. The only thing that teaches people how to drive is experience.

Right.....because hunting with an uneducated person sounds just as safe..come on.. try harder..

Your arrogance is really starting to piss me off. You say I'm a bad driver because I know I'm not a perfect driver. I drive over 30,000 miles a year and have never been in an accident. Your attacking me personally now because you couldn't actually counter my argument. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is over

I did counter your crap, multiple times, here it is again in case you keep missing it with that tunnel vision...There are developed techniques to defensive driving, techniques you will never learn from experience and techniques you won't need until critical moments. Then, in that critical moment it comes down to whether or not you know how to perform the correct maneuver. It sounds to me like you will not and most likely panic or over correct. You can dodge things instead of just praying to stop in time.

 

[yRaz]

Right.....because hunting with an uneducated person sounds just as safe..come on.. try harder..

I did counter your crap, multiple times, here it is again in case you keep missing it with that tunnel vision...There are developed techniques to defensive driving, techniques you will never learn from experience and techniques you won't need until critical moments. Then, in that critical moment it comes down to whether or not you know how to perform the correct maneuver. It sounds to me like you will not and most likely panic or over correct. You can dodge things instead of just praying to stop in time.

Well the people who make the laws surrounding driving have said it wasn't Ubers fault. I asked you to tell me how they aren't. You personally attacked me instead.

You don't know if I'm a good or bad driver, you've never seen me drive. So, in a sense, you are again a liar. You've lied to yourself now to attack me personally.

I would also say that in doing so you are the most arrogant driver I've ever talked to. Judging by the way you talk about defense driving and what not I'm assuming that you just got your license and that car you registered is your first.

Best of luck on the road, it was about a year before I stopped thinking like that after I got my license.

My driving record speaks for itself and I'm done replying

 

[cliffordcooley]

Right.....because hunting with an uneducated person sounds just as safe..come on.. try harder..

I'm saying the person taking the test is no more educated after taking the class than they were before. And you are telling me to try harder, while promoting a joke.

 

[Skjorn]

I'm saying the person taking the test is no more educated after taking the class than they were before. And you are telling me to try harder, while promoting a joke.

I remember learning a few things in the class. Like shooting lanes and some stuff about reloading shells but I never do that so I don't worry about it. I have hunted my entire life, not going with someone if they haven't taken the class.

Well the people who make the laws surrounding driving have said it wasn't Ubers fault. I asked you to tell me how they aren't. You personally attacked me instead.

You don't know if I'm a good or bad driver, you've never seen me drive. So, in a sense, you are again a liar. You've lied to yourself now to attack me personally.

I would also say that in doing so you are the most arrogant driver I've ever talked to. Judging by the way you talk about defense driving and what not I'm assuming that you just got your license and that car you registered is your first.

Best of luck on the road, it was about a year before I stopped thinking like that after I got my license.

My driving record speaks for itself and I'm done replying

Actually my 3rd car. My others just bit the dust, not wrecked. Nice try though.
I do know you are a bad driver. You already admitted to it when you talked about being distracted and having tunnel vision. I'm not lying you admitted to it.. If you insurance company heard you talking about driving the way you do they wouldn't like it one bit.
You aren't supposed to drive down the road in your metal machine at high speeds with distractions.
I already said it wasn't Uber's fault. I just said it could have been avoided then you went on to say how confident you were in your inability to avoid the ped. LOL you are on a roll with the liar calling crap.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I do know you are a bad driver.

You don't know any such thing. Your arrogance really shines in that statement. And yes I do realize you were not referring to me.

 

[Skjorn]

You don't know any such thing. Your arrogance really shines in that statement. And yes I do realize you were not referring to me.

They admitted to looking at their phone while driving, plain and simple that is bad driving. You didn't try very hard.

 

[cliffordcooley]

They admitted to looking at their phone while driving, plain and simple that is bad driving.

No its not. Keeping your eyes glued to the screen is bad driving. Where do you live? I promise you I will never visit, if it takes 100% of your time in defensive driving. I'm convinced now that you people are maniacs on the road.

 

[Skjorn]

No its not. Keeping your eyes glued to the screen is bad driving. Where do you live? I promise you I will never visit, if it takes 100% of your time in defensive driving. I'm convinced now that you people are maniacs on the road.

Lol you're really trying to argue that using your cellphone and driving at the same time isn't bad driving. LMFAOOO haha please stop trying, it's just getting worse for you.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Lol you're really trying to argue that using your cellphone and driving at the same time isn't bad driving. LMFAOOO haha please stop trying, it's just getting worse for you.

No you are the one passing judgment on someone you have never met and therefor couldn't possibly know how bad their habits are. You are the one calling someone a bad driver, that stated they have never been in an accident. You should stop because it is only getting worse for you.

If a person has never been in an accident, then apparently they are defensive enough to avoid accidents. Yet you insist they are not defensive enough and should sign up for classes. There is a term we use for people who have that mentality. The term is Book Smart. Someone who knows everything from a book yet has no experience. And their experience will often clash with their knowledge from the books. People don't need classes if they have experience. The classes are to help those who don't have experience get started.

 

[Skjorn]

No you are the one passing judgment on someone you have never met and therefor couldn't possibly know how bad their habits are. You are the one calling someone a bad driver, that stated they have never been in an accident. You should stop because it is only getting worse for you.

If a person has never been in an accident, then apparently they are defensive enough to avoid accidents. Yet you insist they are not defensive enough and should sign up for classes. There is a term we use for people who have that mentality. The term is Book Smart. Someone who knows everything from a book yet has no experience. And their experience will often clash with their knowledge from the books. People don't need classes if they have experience. The classes are to help those who don't have experience get started.

Already told you I got experience in dodging pedestrians that actually have JUMPED in front of me doing about this speed.
They already said they look at their phone and drive. That is bad driving. Not knowing exactly where your manually driven speeding metal box is going is bad driving. Nothing to argue about that. See through it, its called quick smart.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Already told you I got experience in dodging pedestrians

I think we are finished here. I'm not going to call someone out on bad driving until I see their driving first hand. You go ahead and continue with your arrogance. I will use mine elsewhere. This topic is just not that important to me. The only way this topic could have been avoided is if the pedestrian had defensive skills.

 

[Skjorn]

I think we are finished here. I'm not going to call someone out on bad driving until I see their driving first hand. You go ahead and continue with your arrogance. I will use mine elsewhere. This topic is just not that important to me. The only way this topic could have been avoided is if the pedestrian had defensive skills.

Ok, I will. They use their phone and drive and admitted to it. Bad driving, plain and simple. They have a campaign for this actually... IT CAN WAIT...don't be so ignorant.

 

[cliffordcooley]

They have a campaign for this actually... IT CAN WAIT...don't be so ignorant.

Lets just say that for the most part I agree with you. But when someone knows how to moderate their phone usage, that doesn't make them a bad driver. Moderation such as no texting and no long talks in traffic.

 

[Abraka]

Self-driving cars are advertised as being better drivers than humans!
"They will reduce the number of accidents on the roads".

Well, looking at the Uber's car, not bloody likely.
They are as easily surprised as an average human driver.

If the bloody car had a passive infrared detector, or active night vision, or radar, or lidar, it would have detected that women while still in the shadow.
Uber should be punished for being cheap and not using the basic equipment.
Computers aren't good drivers unless you give them lots of spatial data.

Humans can drive by using just their two biological "cameras", but computers need a lot more sensors to create a 3D model of their environment.