UK government developing homicide prediction algorithm to identify potential violent offenders

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WTF?! There have been several stories over the years about different governments creating crime-predicting algorithms, leading to comparisons to the 2002 movie Minority Report – even though that film involved clairvoyant humans. The UK government is the latest to come under the spotlight for working on this technology, but officials insist it is only a research project – at least for now.

The UK government's program, originally called the "homicide prediction project," works by using algorithms to analyze the information of hundreds of thousands of people, including victims of crime, in the hope of identifying those most likely to commit serious violent offences, writes The Guardian.

Civil liberties group Statewatch uncovered the project through the Freedom of Information Act. It claimed that the tool was developed using data from between 100,000 and 500,000 people. Statewatch says the group includes not only those with criminal convictions, but also victims of crime, though officials deny this is the case, claiming it only uses existing data from convicted offenders.

The data included names, dates of birth, gender, ethnicity, and a number that identifies people on the police national computer. It also covers sensitive information such as mental health, addiction, suicide and vulnerability, self-harm, and disabilities.

"The Ministry of Justice's attempt to build this murder prediction system is the latest chilling and dystopian example of the government's intent to develop so-called crime 'prediction' systems," said Sofia Lyall, a researcher for Statewatch.

"Time and again, research shows that algorithmic systems for 'predicting' crime are inherently flawed."

"This latest model, which uses data from our institutionally racist police and Home Office, will reinforce and magnify the structural discrimination underpinning the criminal legal system."

Officials say that the program is an extension of existing risk-prediction tools, which are often used to predict the likelihood of a prisoner reoffending when they approach their release date. They added that the project is designed to see if adding new data sources from police and custody data would improve risk assessment.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said the project is being conducted for research purposes only.

There's a long history of crime-predicting algorithms that often get compared to Minority Report, including South Korea's "Dejaview" – an AI system that analyzes CCTV footage to detect and potentially prevent criminal activity. It works by analyzing patterns and identifying signs of impending crimes.

In 2022, university researchers said they had developed an algorithm that could predict future crime one week in advance with an accuracy of 90%.

Also in 2022, it was reported that China was looking at ways to build profiles of its citizens, from which an automated system could predict potential dissidents or criminals before they have a chance to act on their impulses.

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It's always dumb to read when something bad happens, people write, "oh, the signs were all there and public, police should do more to prevent it!" and when police monitors the signs it's "the police is minority reporting us!!" lmao give me a break.

If this was used to invade the privacy of individuals before they do anything, sure, stop it. If it is monitoring when people post they're going to shoot up a school and automatically sends police to that school, it can protect lives. There is a line between protecting rights and protecting lives. I think public social media posts is fair game, but intrusive hacking/no warrant monitoring is not.
 
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The nanny state wants to use (more) vibes and feelings to deal with "citizens"? Colour me surprised...
 
If governments used this sort of surveillance & analyzing tech to actually stop actual violent crimes in an even-handed manner it would seem a lot less creepy and not worry that many people. But given the current state of UK government there is no trust that this system will not be used to crack down hard on dissent or petty crimes from groups the government does not like while being programed to ignore the serious crimes committed by groups the government favors.
 
Why everything from the UK sounds like a dystopian nightmare?

Primitive savages are raping children, but nobody dares to speak. The media is silent, talking about that is forbidden. A tweet puts you in jail.

The government recently requested from Apple to be able to snoop on everyone at any time totally unchecked, without people even being aware they're under constant surveillance.

And now that, straight out of a dystopian movie which people enjoyed, naively thinking that could never happen in a civilized society.

When to expect people in prison based on homicide 'prediction' ? 2026?
BTW it shouldn't be hard to tweak the prediction algorithms to predict thought crime ...

 
Why everything from the UK sounds like a dystopian nightmare?
It's a lost country
Weird, as a UK citizen, I think it's fairly pleasant here and the dystopian nightmare is on the other side of the pond. I can express my beliefs without fear of being jailed or sacked or shot. I wouldn't be in fear of losing my job just because I was black or gay or voted the wrong way. I can walk the streets at night in London and feel perfectly safe, and I certainly don't need a gun to "protect" my home.

Crime does happen here though. It would seem fairly straight forward to see if people with a history of violent crime are associating with people who have a history of abuse. If you then tie that to whether they're having money issues (or drug issues) then it's a simple recipe for potential future problems. That's not to say they should be arrested but it might be worth a social worker visiting and seeing if they need help.

I'll admit in my time that I have known 2 people who committed murder. One guy probably wouldn't of shown up on such a detection system but the other one almost certainly would.
 
Love that they said it’s based only on convicted offenders as if that makes it chill. Yeah, don’t worry, we’re just using a biased dataset to train a crime-guessing robot. Just a harmless little murder prediction tool—what could possibly go wrong?
 
Like any such tool - I have strong doubts , and as stated the inherent flaws and biases are many.

Americans very concerned here - probably should learn about probable cause and their rights , and how those rights are being eroded

My WOKE take is put the funds into breaking the crime poverty cycle , support the young parents where huge likelihood kids will offend - eg both parents have criminal histories

Maybe more money in crime/health at bottom of the cliff - just saying .
See CEOs of prisons upbeat shareholder talks huge profits to be made under new administration ,especially detention centres where people grabbed with no due process
 
I have long said the UK is one of the most reprehensible states on earth. It has more security cameras per capita than any other, more speed cameras per capita, and is a full on surveillance state probably worse than USA.

This technology is ripe for extreme abuse by holier than thou faceless bureaucrats and criminal politicians.
 
I abandoned the UK a long time ago -having seen the way it was spiralling ever-downwards. As most right-thinking Brits well know, their "data" should also include the parameter "religion". Let's hope the usual numbnuts don't start shouting "racist" on here....Duh..........................
 
The crown is afraid of it's people and basically everyone as they fight the world in fear of losing their royalty to the mob they they raised. #Everyonesgotproblems
 
Then you are the problem
I suspect anyone in my age group is the problem. When I was young I received my University education for free. The world economy was booming and the UK had money from North Sea oil. House prices were actually achievable. There were job opportunities everywhere and I worked all across Europe, America and Japan. I really enjoyed my work primarily designing database systems.

It's very different now. All young folk are pushed through University and end up starting life with £50K debts. House prices are beyond them. Brexit has made working in Europe difficult and also made it harder for companies at home to compete. The world economy is also shrinking and war is looming just beyond the horizon. There's also the constant pressure from social media telling everyone that they're under achieving.
 
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"potential violent offenders" <<< in my personal experience (I'm a veteran) this applies to EVERYONE.
So this is a load of cr*p. Sure some people may seem a bit more likely to go there but it could happen to the friendliest person you know too in the right (actually wrong) situation.
Hell a stupid neighbourhood cop once told me he considers me dangerous because of my past, while I KNOW that most vets are léss likely to cross the line.
The gist of my post is that morons shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that affect evrybody else.
Etc oops I accidentally entered rant mode hahaha
 
"potential violent offenders" <<< in my personal experience (I'm a veteran) this applies to EVERYONE.
So this is a load of cr*p. Sure some people may seem a bit more likely to go there but it could happen to the friendliest person you know too in the right (actually wrong) situation.
Hell a stupid neighbourhood cop once told me he considers me dangerous because of my past, while I KNOW that most vets are léss likely to cross the line.
The gist of my post is that morons shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that affect evrybody else.
Etc oops I accidentally entered rant mode hahaha
You assume that they're *****s without realising that it's intentional. They are trained by Israel to see everyone as the enemy, which leads to horrendous situations. When psychopaths are allowed to run amock with no accountability you end up with this level of insanity.
Weird, as a UK citizen, I think it's fairly pleasant here and the dystopian nightmare is on the other side of the pond. I can express my beliefs without fear of being jailed or sacked or shot. I wouldn't be in fear of losing my job just because I was black or gay or voted the wrong way. I can walk the streets at night in London and feel perfectly safe, and I certainly don't need a gun to "protect" my home.

Crime does happen here though. It would seem fairly straight forward to see if people with a history of violent crime are associating with people who have a history of abuse. If you then tie that to whether they're having money issues (or drug issues) then it's a simple recipe for potential future problems. That's not to say they should be arrested but it might be worth a social worker visiting and seeing if they need help.

I'll admit in my time that I have known 2 people who committed murder. One guy probably wouldn't of shown up on such a detection system but the other one almost certainly would.
You've obviously never set foot outside that dystopian nightmare. Only Brits who have never been outside that nightmare don't understand that the UK is a tyranny and always has been. Those of us who have been abroad can see the crushing weight of a government obsessed with dissent and the desperate need to crush the people with psychopathic and fanatical organisations (CPS for one) that serve no purpose other than intentionally create stress. There are many ways in which the government keeps the people in check, which is hard for the average person to see, as they don't know any better. It's no different than those who grow up in North Korea, Afghanistan or other extremely oppressive regimes and know no different.
 
You've obviously never set foot outside that dystopian nightmare.
I've lived and worked in about 7 countries and used to spend months at a time travelling in different parts of the world each year. I'd say I'm probably more familiar with other countries than most.

Those of us who have been abroad can see the crushing weight of a government obsessed with dissent and the desperate need to crush the people with psychopathic and fanatical organisations (CPS for one) that serve no purpose other than intentionally create stress.
The CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) is there to decide which criminal cases to prosecute. If you're finding them fanatical then perhaps it's just you doing something wrong.
 
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