UK politicians want to ban PS5, Xbox Series X, and PC component scalping

It can be applied to anything. Better to stop abuse sooner than wait till it personally affects you. These scalper bots aren't going away by wishful thinking.
There are already policies in place to prevent it from happening to essential services... this only applies to the current generation of game consoles - in a time of supply issues disrupted because of a global pandemic... there's no need for laws... just wait a few months... the next console generation will be fine...
 
So the boys will buy them and then only offer for sale outside of the uk, unlike concert tickets the market for these typ s of goods is international
 
That's a good measure, but it comes a bit late.
It's a shame that politicians only work when there's a big problem with something.

Overall, I agree with you.

I hate to do this but I think I can understand why politicians won't fix something until it's a big problem.
I work IT development. Often times there are a lot of projects queued up that I don't get the time to be proactive to other things. But if someone brings a problem to my attention, that is reasonable, I can prioritize it and fix it.
 
It would be better if the manufacturers set the price higher in the beginning and lowered it once supply increased. That's the way it works with almost all other electronics. Early adopters pay much higher prices until costs can be lowered and supplies increased.

Yep. The price simply needs to be higher until supply is fixed, but I don't get the rage. The price should be higher. Resellers have raised the price. It seems like the anger is specifically caused by the fact that the increased price is from "unofficial" resellers...
 
The same can be applied to government intervention - it all sounds well and good until it personally affects you, which price controls of this sort inevitably are going to do.

Here's a scenario: perhaps you bought something as a collector's item some time ago and finally want to sell it - sorry! You can't sell it for more than the MSRP when it was bought... which means it's worth LESS than when you bought it now, adjusting for inflation.

Half-witted government solutions always incur 'unintended' consequences that destroy liberty.
If you read the article, it states bot bought items would be affected.
 
Disappointments:

1. Manufacturers I.e. the likes of Nvidia, AMD, Sony, etc., are not willing to control how many are being sold to any single bulk purchaser. (Anyway, why should they? They just want to recoup all the expenditures of research and efforts they have expended in producing them and will want to recover everything with profits ASAP.)

2. Suckers (general population) are willing to pay obscene amount of money to get what they want on impulse and greed.

3. No one thinks that a product should not be bought even a single dollar above the MSRP. The manufacturer already suggested the MSRP. Stick to the damn thing.

What can be done:

Don't support scalpers.

Don't pay stupidly like 100% - 200% markup over the MSRP. Don't even pay more than 25% over the MSRP, if you have no self control over your impulse.

Go play your other games in your current platforms. Don't give in to your impulse.There must be lots of games you can play with your current setup. Don't waste them.

The more you pay to satisfy your greed and impulse, the richer you are making the scalpers. They feed on your money.

No matter how hot the new hardware that you got, no matter how much you have overpaid for it, the charm will wear off very soon. And within a short period, another new hardware will soon come and replace it both in power and performance.

Appreciate what you already have rather than over-paying something. The price will soon come down. When other stubborn suckers finish buying them.

Some might ask what if everyone follows this policy? There might not be any incentive for manufacturers to keep producing new stiff every year? - I say that's good. Let not be any product that is being sold that is more than it's worth. Don't waste what we already have. Make manufacturers sell a real worthy upgrade and buy them at the appropriate price.

Don't support these ruthless scalpers. These are the modern day robbers.


You can survive without over-paying these robbers.

Nothing is worth more than it's MSRP.
 
Government is typically as corrupt if not more corrupt than the worst players in the private sector.
And you know this how? Interviewed and investigated every person in gov't and then in the private sector to check it out? Didn't think so.
Examine any reasonably large group of people, you will find honest ones, dishonest ones, smart ones, dumb ones, you get the idea.
With corporations, they are obligated to provide for the shareholders, regardless of public or societal harm. I have no doubt (based on their history) that if they had their way we'd all be indentured servants with our children doing the modern day equivalent of working in the coal mines.
 
Bruises and broken bones are abuse. Starvation is abuse. This is a toy that costs too much. Let's try and keep some perspective.
Artificially inflating prices by using bots to buy the supply is abuse. Just because it's not currently your problem (or mine) doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
 
I think that they don't need to enact a new law because this could be considered to be "predatory pricing" which is already illegal in several Western countries. If the scalpers' prices are considered predatory, then they can fall under the same law that prohibits the scalping of event tickets.

There are several Western countries that already have laws in place for this kind of thing that would just need to be broadened to cover this. Scalping laws started with the re-selling of tickets far above the face value (which is the same as an MSRP).

Australia:
"Depending on the ticketing body's conditions of sale, tickets may be voided if they are resold for a profit. This is so with Ticketek tickets (Ticketek is an Australian-based ticketing company). Efforts to clamp down on ticket resale have included labeling tickets with the name or a photograph of the buyer, and banning people without tickets from the vicinity of the event to prevent the purchase of secondary market tickets.

In Australia, the secondary ticket market has been put under much scrutiny in the past few years as ticket scalpers dominated the resale ticket market. Scalpers would purchase tickets in bulk from the promoter hoping that the tickets would sell out causing an increase in demand for tickets and thus an increase in the ticket price. This caused event promoters to put restrictions on the number of tickets that can be purchased in one transaction, which has greatly reduced unfair ticket pricing. After many complaints from the community and event promoters, the DFT (Department of Fair Trading) and CCAAC (Commonwealth Consumer Affairs Advisory Council) conducted a survey discussing scalping issues and released The Ticket Scalping Issue Paper for NSW.

In Victoria, some events are declared as "major events" and protected by the Major Events Act 2009."

- So, in Australia, there's already a precedent for selling items to the public with predatory pricing.

Canada:
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Quebec put into law "Bill 25" in June 2012, making it illegal for ticket brokers to resell a ticket for more than the face value of the ticket without first obtaining permission from the ticket's original vendor. Brokers reselling tickets are required to inform consumers the tickets are being resold and must tell consumers the name of the ticket's original vendor and the original face value price. The penalty to violating the law includes fines of $1,000 to $2,000 for the first offense, and as much as $200,000 for repeated violations.

In Ontario, re-selling the tickets above face value is prohibited by the Ticket Speculation Act and is punishable by a fine of $5,000 for an individual (including those buying the tickets above face) or $50,000 for a corporation.

Effective July 1, 2015, in an effort to protect consumers from purchasing fraudulent tickets, Ontario created an exemption under the Ticket Speculation Act to:
  • Enable official ticket sellers to authenticate tickets that are being resold
  • Permit tickets to be resold above face value in circumstances where tickets are authenticated or have a money-back guarantee
  • Allow tickets to be resold at a price that includes any service fees paid when the ticket was first purchased.

Following an announcement in 2016 that The Tragically Hip's lead singer Gord Downie had been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, the band held the Man Machine Poem Tour. Ticket re-sellers reportedly purchased two-thirds of all available tickets, to capitalize on public demand. As a result, in 2017, Ontario announced legislation to attempt to crack down on scalper bots."

- Canada can also easily broaden the definition of anti-scalping laws to include any and all consumer goods.

United Kingdom:
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In the United Kingdom resale of football tickets is illegal under section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 unless the resale is authorized by the organizer of the match. Secondary ticketing market StubHub have signed partnership agreements with Sunderland and Everton for 2012/13 season, whilst competitor viagogo hold partnerships with Chelsea and other clubs.

Other than in the case of football tickets, there is no legal restriction against reselling tickets in the UK, although individual organisations (like Wimbledon) may prohibit it.

In July 2016, several prominent music managers in the UK including Ian McAndrew, Harry Magee, Brian Message and Adam Tudhope came together to fund a new initiative called the FanFair Alliance, to work towards tackling the issue of 'industrial-scale online ticket touting'."

- In the UK, the manufacturers themselves can formally forbid the scalping of their products with the backing of the law.

Now, I don't know what the situation is in some countries but I do know that in Canada and the UK, the fact that ticket prices are protected but nothing else is would actually be considered illegal. Since the laws have been in place for so long and are considered to be beneficial to the public the odds of them being struck down is essentially zero. What would defintiely happen if the laws were to be challanged is that all protections for event tickets would automatically extend to cover any and all products sold to the general public.

Event tickets are, at their core, just another product to be sold for money. Because of this truth, I would consider it to be 99.9% likely that the Supreme Courts of Canada and the UK would both broaden the protections to cover any and and all pricing that is artificially inflated in a predatory manner on goods sold to the public, not just event tickets.

The benefit to the public would be so great as to be incalculable. Moreover, the UK still has significant influence on the laws in many Commonwealth nations around the world. Commonwealth nations may invoke UK law as valid precedent in their own legal systems so this could spread like wildfire around the world.

THAT is how it could and would be enacted.
 
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If you read the article, it states bot bought items would be affected.
And how is that going to be enforced, precisely? Are we going to be forced to provide a photo ID every time we buy a console online to prove our identity, which would be an even more egregious intrusion into privacy?

We will never legislate our way into paradise, but if we try, we'll end up in hell.
 
Overall, I agree with you.

I hate to do this but I think I can understand why politicians won't fix something until it's a big problem.
I work IT development. Often times there are a lot of projects queued up that I don't get the time to be proactive to other things. But if someone brings a problem to my attention, that is reasonable, I can prioritize it and fix it.
That's not the right way to do it though. If the company you worked for actually gave your department the budget it needs to do its job correctly, you'd have enough people there that you wouldn't have to decide what's important and what isn't. That's just corporate greed that has become so ubiquitous that you think it's normal. While I don't doubt your sincerity, it's not exactly a good model to use.
 
Bruises and broken bones are abuse. Starvation is abuse. This is a toy that costs too much. Let's try and keep some perspective.
I do agree that this is a "first-world problem" but it sure wouldn't hurt to have protections in place that cover everything. This would ensure that it doesn't happen at all, regardless of whether it's a toy or something vital. It would remove the problem for everyone, regardless of what it is. I don't see how that could be a bad thing, except for the psychopaths who want to screw people over and I honestly couldn't give a rat's posterior about them, especially since they don't give a rat's posterior about anyone else.

It's not like these protections would have a detrimental effect on anything important so I don't understand why anyone would be opposed to them.
 
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And how is that going to be enforced, precisely? Are we going to be forced to provide a photo ID every time we buy a console online to prove our identity, which would be an even more egregious intrusion into privacy?

We will never legislate our way into paradise, but if we try, we'll end up in hell.
Oh please, spare us the "prophet of doom" act. We're already in hell and it's because we don't have that legislation. In our history, consumer protection legislation has never had a negative outcome, regardless of what "prophets of doom" like yourself were constantly saying. What you're claiming is directly opposite to what has actually happened. You'll forgive me for believing what has been proven over some anonymous claim to the contrary.

Unless you have some anti-consumer agenda that you're hiding, why would you oppose legislation that protects all consumers, including you?
 
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That's not the right way to do it though. If the company you worked for actually gave your department the budget it needs to do its job correctly, you'd have enough people there that you wouldn't have to decide what's important and what isn't. That's just corporate greed that has become so ubiquitous that you think it's normal. While I don't doubt your sincerity, it's not exactly a good model to use.
I think you might have misinterpreted what I was trying to express. I will admit that I am often times not clear enough and assume people are on the same wave length as me.

What I was attempting to relate that politicians might not always be able to be proactive in watching out for every possible issue in their given country. Like how I am busy with my assigned projects but there are times that people bring a bug to my attention and I can work to fix it.

On a side note, I do wish companies would do more to prevent bots from buying all of the product and end up screwing over real people trying to buy it online.
 
Artificially inflating prices by using bots to buy the supply is abuse. Just because it's not currently your problem (or mine) doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

Problem? Sure. It's a problem. It is a problem that causes no pain, hunger, or suffering of any kind.

This is an overpriced toy.
 
Oh please, spare us the "prophet of doom" act. We're already in hell and it's because we don't have that legislation. In our history, consumer protection legislation has never had a negative outcome, regardless of what "prophets of doom" like yourself were constantly saying. What you're claiming is directly opposite to what has actually happened. You'll forgive me for believing what has been proven over some anonymous claim to the contrary.

Unless you have some anti-consumer agenda that you're hiding, why would you oppose legislation that protects all consumers, including you?
Because overbearing legislation rushed out to "protect the children" has either
1) Had unforeseen unintended consequences,
2) Infringed on natural rights in order to avoid the foreseen unintended consequences, which even more unscrupulous politicians down the road use as a justification for even more sinister laws,
3) Introduced distortions into the market that then create more problems.

The Drug War in particular being basically the model case for all 3 and a debacle of enforcement and incarceration that is still damaging society to the present day. Another case being regulation of station wagons to comply better with environmental standards for car-building... which resulted in carmakers building station wagons on a truck chassis, resulting in the SUV.

Government can try and ban scalpers but it won't be scalpers that will feel the effect of it, because they will find other ways to do what they do. In the meantime it will be law-abiding people that will suffer the effects and unintended after-effects in their everyday lives.
 
If you want the scalpers to go away, there is no need to pass another law. Just don't buy from them. Don't pay over MSRP for whatever product it is they are trying to get outrageous prices for at the time. When there is no longer a market for the activity, the activity will stop. Until then, if people are willing to continue to pay inflated prices, people will continue to scalp them.
 
While the idea is commendable, I wonder how exactly it is going to be implemented and enforced? The only sure way of enforcing the cards get to the gamers and not scalpers is by limiting the order qty to 1 and by physical pick up. But retailers are not incentivized to employ such measures (also staggered release). Their business lies in selling the highest amount of cards in the shortest amount of time.
The root problem lies in the very limited supply vs high demand so it is ultimately the manufacturers fault.
That's what leads some buyers to pay higher prices from the scalpers. You may hastily rush to blame the scalpers (the scum of the earth) but this is not their fault. They are speculators that provide useful service of enabling everybody to purchase the limited supply of goods (those that did not or could not make it in time) at the cost of higher price which the consumers agree to pay (if this was not the case the price would not increase). In a similar vain - I doubt you could blame a gamer that makes up his mind and decides to resell the just purchased card seeing how high price it commands at resell market. And finally how is this bad scalper any different that a retailer that sells the cards or consoles at the now inflated prices? What incentive does he have to sell them at MSRP?
If not for the scalpers you would not be even able to purchase these cards at any cost and even if somehow you could get your hands on it it would only be through a black market and the price would be much much higher than what we see now.
So blame the manufacturers and not the scalpers and that's where any changes to the law should be directed to because the recent releases are a joke - I know that even big retailers got tens or sometimes single units where the demand in just first few hours was in hundreds and thousands not to mention the vast majority of retailers who could not even secure single units. This is what should be banned and penalized.
 
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The easiest way to stop the scalpers is if a product price is higher than MSRP on sites like ebay, it gets deleted instantly and the user banned for 1 month(for the first 6 months after a product launch, in case something gets more valuable over time)
 
The easiest way to stop the scalpers is if a product price is higher than MSRP on sites like ebay, it gets deleted instantly and the user banned for 1 month(for the first 6 months after a product launch, in case something gets more valuable over time)
Or Ebay could just add "scalping" as a user report category and leave it to site moderation to sort things out? Does it not have that ability already?

There was a similar situation with toilet paper earlier in 2020 and Amazon, Ebay a et al brought the hammer down.
 
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