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User-made patch restores Windows Update for blocked processors

By Cal Jeffrey ยท 84 replies
Apr 20, 2017
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  1. Rockstarrrr

    Rockstarrrr TS Booster Posts: 87   +64


    Back in the days of Windows XP there was a rule - NEVER try to update already working machines with new Service Pack. Just install integrated version. Microsoft never learned to properly update its operating systems - its hit and miss.
     
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  2. Obsidian48

    Obsidian48 TS Rookie

    ...more politics on a tech forum ...tiresome and needless
     
  3. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 7,867   +2,819

    Yeah, honestly speaking W7 is visually more attractive than W10 but that's mainly down to it's 'aeroglass' effects. I'm not a big proponent of W10, it's too "my way or the highway" kind of thing but it is functional, stable (depending on that particular individual) and it does grow on you... but then so do warts and I don't know if that's a good thing. I suspect not. :)
     
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  4. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 7,867   +2,819

    I do agree with that, they are forcing us to suck it up and that's where they f*** it up. A bit more compassion and comprehension would go a long way but hey, it's all about the money and that overrides everything.
     
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  5. Sum Guy

    Sum Guy TS Enthusiast Posts: 36   +10

    One argument remains.

    The tracking issues with win 10 is the main reason torrent sites block user with this os. Now that we have many streaming service available cheap it's not such a big deal to lose access to them. Most of those types of users have several computers anyways.
     
  6. Roush60

    Roush60 TS Rookie

    My home computer is still running 7 SP1 and has the current updates at the moment. My youngest son has a laptop, purchased in April of 2015. It is running Windows 8.1. The home computer has an AMD A6 Vision CPU and 8 Gb RAM. I am not certain what CPU my son's computer is running. But, that being said, like me, he also prefers the old classic desktop available in 8.1. The other caveat with my son is that he is a 28 year old autistic and developmentally delayed adult with some savant like skills when it comes to navigating the internet on his laptop. He can navigate a touch pad faster than you can follow the cursor on the screen faster than the computer can switch screens. My wife and I call him our human contact rolodex as he can remember everything he has ever learned about anyone he has ever met, no matter how long ago and well as dates and places he met them. That being said, he doesn't take changes to his schedule or what is is used to doing very well. It took us a week to get him used to the idea that dad couldn't fix his last laptop, it was 8 years old and needed a new battery as well as a new hard drive and AC power adapter. It was cheaper to just get a new laptop. With all the beginning issues with Win 10, I stopped all the WIN 10 update processes and just allowed the 8.1 updates related to security and Office 2103 Student-Teachers addition on our home computer and his laptop. When MS can produce updates that don't crash peoples computers every other update, then maybe I will update. Until then, I will run 7 Sp1 on my home desktop and 8.1 on my son's laptop, or one of them crashes and is unrepairable/unrecoverable. I do also keep copies of system recovery DVD disks on hand for the laptop and desktop/tower units.
     
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  7. Ibathinker

    Ibathinker TS Rookie

    There is very good reason for not upgrading to 10 - Privacy. As compromised as our privacy is today, both Microsoft and Apple have added more invasive tools to their new operating systems that allow them to track your activity on many levels. As has been pointed out in articles around the world Apple, for example, says they do not sell the information the collect. Reading further you see that it is "shared" with partners and affiliates. That translates into dollar signs. Here is the kicker. Those partners and affiliates include companies who gather information on us from countless sources and from that information they create profiles. Those profiles are shard not just with advertisers, but with banks, insurance companies and others with an interest in monitoring your behavior. The "flags" that they establish for behavior changes they are interested in can impact your life on many levels, including whether you get insurance, and what you pay for that insurance; whether you get a loan and what you pay for it and much more. Yes, there is good reason to resist the new invasive nature of these OS. Sound paranoid? Absolutely and with reason and justification. No, I don't wear an aluminum hat - I am in the industry and know the abuses.
     
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  8. Just a simple comment here. I know I'll be napalmed for it, but so be it. When Apple upgrades its OS, it's free (as in no $), and you can use the older ones until Hell freezes over without being branded a recalcitrant primitivist.
     
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  9. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 7,867   +2,819

    Yes but that's a problem that we all have and just have to accept. We can't do anything about it and that practice is not going to go away, ever. The Spyware we're able to block in W10 is spyware M$ freely lets us know about and gives us sliders to disable them. Whether those sliders actually work is anybody's guess. It's also more than highly likely there's lots more baked in spyware we simply don't know about and the Spybot program (and others) we use to detect and disable them doesn't cover them all.
    It's a well known fact that once we connect to the internet, we can kiss our privacy goodbye.
     
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  10. richcz3

    richcz3 TS Rookie

    Windows XP rolled out and people refused to upgrade from Windows 98
    Windows Vista rolled out and people refused to upgrade from Windows XP - Understandably
    Windows 7 rolled out and people using Windows XP - still refused to upgrade.
    On and On and On....

    There are people who just hate Windows and Microsoft. This I Hate Upgrading to Win XXX because (add nefarious statement here) is wearing thin. All my PC's are Win 10 now - some I built in 2009 - all working fine. Windows haters please move on to MacOS or Linux as you've threatened for over a decade already. Oh that's right, its easier to complain than carry on with an action.
     
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  11. Rockstarrrr

    Rockstarrrr TS Booster Posts: 87   +64

    I do have problem with Apple solely because of their price models - they are ripping people off. Other than that, they offer great service, especially in the days of Steve Jobs.
     
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  12. Rockstarrrr

    Rockstarrrr TS Booster Posts: 87   +64

    This time its different, even for free, people still refuse to upgrade. Windows XP worked well on low-lever hardware so you had that, now it doesnt matter. Yes, eventually we`re all going to upgrade to W10. Me personally - when beta testing is done. But dont tell me that W10 "works great" because its not, its a mess and don`t let me get started on privacy issues....
     
  13. JamesSWD

    JamesSWD TS Booster Posts: 123   +80

    They never learn. There's a lot of smart people out there that will find a way around. If company decision makers were decent and smart, they'd stop playing silly games to nickel & dime customers like this...and just make their tech easy to use, upgrade, and fix so that their customers would be happier people.
     
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  14. Ascaris

    Ascaris TS Addict Posts: 102   +57

    How is that different than any other program you run on your PC?
     
  15. MadKnight

    MadKnight TS Rookie

    So if a person tried upgrading from win7 to 10 and it didnt work decently (ethernet didnt work for example) for lack of decent driver from motherboard manufacturer because oh its a few years old, then what? buy a whole new pc for MS to be happy?

    I didn't dislike win10, but the forced updating part, specially at work on an all-in-one pc with laptop grade i3 while working on a relativly big excel file and several other programs is just not fun. Try as you might to explain to update settings that you got 2 shifts and you don't want the update/restart to happen in-between, but it won't listen, it is stubborn like that. And when few hours are wasted while your PC is updating and your boss look at you like you are a dead weight, who is to blame?


    What bugged me most though is this "We just reported a couple of weeks ago that Blizzard successfully litigated against Bossland under similar circumstances."

    HOW are they the same circumstances exactly??????
    one case had people selling reverse engineered programs/bots for cheating, another is undoing the forced (for some really unnecessary) upgrade that can render old pcs useless without being paid.
    I am confused, can someone enlighten me?
     
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  16. Branoli

    Branoli TS Rookie

    Unless you have an older laptop that can't handle Windows 10, which is where my husband is with his laptop. We can't afford to buy him a new one right now since I recently was forced to buy a new one. So yes there are valid arguments for not upgrading to Windows 10.
     
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  18. Ascaris

    Ascaris TS Addict Posts: 102   +57

    True... but those aren't the ones pointing out the problems with Windows 10 in discussion areas like this. They're the ones who post pictures of penguins and say things like "just work" and what not. They're not getting specific with the complaints like the Windows users are. The people who are the most vocal about that are the long-time Windows users that expected a better product and better treatment than the crap MS has been pulling lately.

    Best learn to deal with it, 'cause the complaints aren't going away as long as MS continues to try to force us to use garbage.

    Well bully for you. A lot of us don't want our PCs to "work fine" doing what MS wants them to do. I want my PC to "work fine" doing what I want it to do, and Windows 10 is unsuited for that purpose.

    Why? We have three or six years of updates coming before we have to. If we were really "Windows haters" as you so glibly assert, we wouldn't be trying so hard to remain Windows users.

    It's easy to dismiss people with opposing points of view as "haters." The "haters" you are talking about are typically long-time Windows users who aren't willing to settle for garbage, and who don't want to simply move on and not look back. I'd rather use MacOS or Linux than Windows 10, but I'd rather use 7 or 8.1 than MacOS or Linux.

    Microsoft seems hellbent on this *****ic path they're on, pushing a hybrid desktop/phone OS no one wants to support a phone market that doesn't and will never exist, and destroying every last bit of trust its users had in MS as they go. Maybe they're trying to kill Windows as a general-purpose OS, and this is their way of liquidating the value of their monopoly in that market before tossing it aside. It certainly doesn't look like they intend to preserve the Windows market as it has been, as even a monopolist knows that you can't abuse your customers continuously and expect them to remain customers.

    One thing's certain, though: Migrating to 10 is not going to put any pressure on Microsoft to clean up their act. We know from Microsoft's increasingly aggressive behavior that they desperately want people on 10... but not so much that they'd actually consider making 10 into a decent product. No problem; we'll wait. We have time.

    We won't, though, wait quietly. Microsoft absolutely is aware of what is being said about their products in the various forums and comment sections out across the web, and they obviously do care about it-- why else would they dispatch paid astroturfers, time and time again, to try to rebut the arguments against Windows 10 and make it seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread? It's not in question that they do this; they've been caught at it repeatedly.

    Not only that, but maybe by putting a voice to the disgust that many others out there feel over this Windows 10 debacle, we'll be strengthening their resolve to resist 10 going forward too. Nothing else is going to turn MS back from this path they're on other than continued rejection of 10. We're at a point now when the stagnation in Windows 10 adoption is evident... Windows 7 has gained almost as much market share since the end of the Windows 10 free upgrade period as Windows 10 has, according to Netmarketshare.com, and for the first time ever, Windows 10 x64 has shown a drop in Steam's monthly hardware survey. This is not the time to give in to MS and adopt 10 and accept this abusive regime as the new normal. The rejection of Vista gave birth to the beloved 7 (what Vista should have been from the start)... unfortunately, the rejection of 8 is what gave us the much-worse 10.

    No sale, Microsoft. Back to the drawing board!

    Complaining is taking action. Not upgrading is taking action. Blocking Microsoft's attempts to force 10 on us is taking action.

    The easy path is to give up, migrate to 10, and get started on acquiring your Stockholm Syndrome.
     
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  19. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,341   +816

    I have no idea why you would like the complete mess that is Aero. both ugly and resource intensive. the new one may not be complete yet, but it's at least snappy and doesn't hang your entire system randomly for a long time.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017
  20. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,305   +523

    I love threads about Windows 10 on this site... all the uninformed trolls show up to bash on it...

    For those of you who truly think that Windows 10 is so terrible.... give a reason.... THEN..... search Google for how to rectify that problem.... you'll find many solutions :) Here are a few of the pitiful reasons stated so far...
    ___________________

    1:) Privacy concerns: Search Google - it turns out you can be just as private on Windows 10 as Windows 7...

    2:) Looks ugly: Search Google - hey, did you know you can tinker with just about every visual aspect of Windows 10 (and 8, 7, Vista, XP, etc)?

    3:) My PC doesn't have the hardware for it: Search Google - maybe it doesn't... but more likely, you just need to work a little harder with your upgrade path (format and install from scratch tends to work 99% of the time).

    4:) Windows 10 isn't as reliable as Windows xx - Search Google - YES IT IS!!! In fact, it's the most reliable version of Windows there is... and it will become more reliable as it will be the only version of Windows MS will support in the near future.

    5:) I'll just wait for Windows 11 - Search Google - There won't be one! MS has stated that this will be the last version of Windows. From now on, you will simply be updating it free of charge from MS - much like OSX from Apple...
     
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  21. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,341   +816

    I'm sorry but nothing you said made sense. all of that wall of text can be summed up like this: I hate win10 and I don't care if it is good or not. why? I have no idea. maybe it makes you feel special, maybe you feel buyers remorse for not upgrading when it was free. it's all I can think of without any actual logical reason given by you.
     
  22. Rockstarrrr

    Rockstarrrr TS Booster Posts: 87   +64

    This was enough for me - sorry, but you have no idea what are you talking about. Its already proven that those third-party apps work only for some extent, Microsoft is still gathering information no matter what you do and it makes apps like those obsolete after every major update.

    And about your idea of solving problems.. Yes, if you have enough time. For me time equals money, I dont want to solve any problems, I dont want problems at all! I just want for damn thing to work and you can bet your a** that Windows 7/8.1 are far more reliable than W10.

    Its still BETA testing after two years, its just unacceptable and worrying that people actually go with Microsoft on this...
     
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  23. Yeah, you're right about the price thing. I would love to have an iPad, but can't afford one.I don't really need a one anyway (he says). Meh. I'm still with this 10 year old iMac that is now running El Capitan, but I could still be using Leopard. Not a penny for upgrading in 10 years. I can't run Sierra due to hardware limitations, but... you're still right about the cost of Apple computers.
     
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  24. Cal Jeffrey

    Cal Jeffrey TS Addict Topic Starter Posts: 304   +84

    To be clear I did not say that the circumstances were the same, I said they were similar. Furthermore, you are quoting out of context.

    Just prior to that statement I mentioned Microsoft's tendency to throw its legal department at problems like this. With Blizzard just having won a case where reverse engineering occurred, it is not a far leap to see Microsoft doing the same thing.

    I agree with you. I think Microsoft is totally handling this issue the wrong way and they have from almost day one of Win 10's release. However, if they can prove that Zeffy violated copyright laws they will probably pursue it.

    However, I'm not even sure they would be able to track Zeffy down and even if they could, would it be worth the expense just to prove a point? Because you know Zeffy probably does not have the millions that MS's lawyers are going to charge for pursuing the matter. My guess is that if MS does anything it will be bust the fix everytime they issue an update.
     
  25. Phr3d

    Phr3d TS Guru Posts: 371   +75

    To SS Pew, among others:
    I tried it, I didn't like it. A defense based upon inevitability falls on deaf ears.
    keep fighting (what you perceive to be) the good fight, but this ship has sailed.. the customer has Gotta' Wanna,
    and those that you apparently categorize as 'wretched remainders' ain't gonna change their minds, don't Wanna.
    7 worx, I'm good (along with a half-billion close relatives).

    It is obvious a few don't care, but the writing was on the wall with Vista-Seven -- It was such a hard fought battle to make Vista usable, that many left/retired after that battle, all that was left in the storied halls of Redmond were Balmer-philes, hence the universally-loved Win 8. There is no one left to right the ship.
    We're stuck with what we have already Easily perfected on 4GHz i5-hardware still up to any task we throw at it, OR
    'upgrade' to Win8.2xxxxxx.

    A Very few remaining here have seen it all (the stone age of the mid-eighties), worked with Redmond, know a few retirees enjoying peace and umbrella cocktails in obscure locations.. we -obviously- reach different conclusions than those that have not. Deteriorata, lol (aka "Rotsa' Ruck, Joe!" and "May you live in interesting times").
     
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