UserBenchmark faces backlash over Ryzen 7 9800X3D review, suggests 13600K and 14600K instead

[yRaz]

I didn't go from objective benchmarks. I said it matters on where someone comes from and then you went on to blab about how getting a lesser costing CPU that doesn't match the performance of the 9800x3d was a better route for most gamers.

At 1440p:
The 7700X is slower in gaming by 10%, but falls behind in CPU applications.
The 9700X is slower in gaming by 8% and on par (for the most part) with it in CPU applications.
The 13600k is slower in gaming by 9%, but falls behind in CPU applications.

Everyone's opinion is irrelevant to everyone else - unless they feel it holds merits to their own. Your opinion is just that, your own. If you feel my opinion is moot, that's fine, doesn't hurt my feelings.

It's 10% slower in GAMING when using a 4090. less than 1% of gamers own a 4090. So let's remove the 4090, pair it something with something more realistic like, anything other than a 90 class card and see if you still get a 10% performance boost.

The 4090 is only used to eliminate bottlenecks. So 60 class cars make up over half of the GPU market so let's pair a 9800X3D with a 4060 and see if it's still 10% faster than the 9700X in gaming.

The point I'm driving home here is that in 99% of cases, the CPU isn't the bottleneck. The 4090 eliminates the bottleneck, but 99% of gamers do not have a CPU bottleneck. So in 99% of cases, the 9800X3D being the fastest gaming CPU is irrelevant.

 

[fadingfool]

"nobody buys amd twice"

True - I've had 8 AMD/ATi GPUs and 4 AMD CPUs (both more than 2) - compared with 2 nVidia GPUs and 6 Intel CPUs. I aim for the best bang for buck at the time I'm upgrading, hence my lack of loyalty to any company.

 

[Burty117]

It's 10% slower in GAMING when using a 4090. less than 1% of gamers own a 4090. So let's remove the 4090, pair it something with something more realistic like, anything other than a 90 class card and see if you still get a 10% performance boost.

The 4090 is only used to eliminate bottlenecks. So 60 class cars make up over half of the GPU market so let's pair a 9800X3D with a 4060 and see if it's still 10% faster than the 9700X in gaming.

The point I'm driving home here is that in 99% of cases, the CPU isn't the bottleneck. The 4090 eliminates the bottleneck, but 99% of gamers do not have a CPU bottleneck. So in 99% of cases, the 9800X3D being the fastest gaming CPU is irrelevant.

Do you upgrade your CPU everytime you upgrade your GPU as well? Because I don't, I normally upgrade my GPU 2-3x before I upgrade my CPU.

 

[yRaz]

Do you upgrade your CPU everytime you upgrade your GPU as well? Because I don't, I normally upgrade my GPU 2-3x before I upgrade my CPU.

So I just built a 12700k system to replace my 3800X system and I also have a sever closet full of random ebay hardware as my homelab. However, I do build lots of gaming PCs for other people. I ask what their budget is first and how long they want it for. Most people want 3-5 years out of a build. you'd be surprised how many people say $7-800 and I tell them to just buy an ROG ally buy a dock for it to connect it to a TV or monitor. Given a $1500 budget, I would likely throw in a 7600-7800 paired with a 4070 or a 7800XT depending on what their goals are and what deals are available at the time.

 

[Vanderlinde]

UB is a joke, but a successful one. It's quite simple. Take any CPU and write down it's theoretical flops. Store it in a database. Add a 2nd CPU and now load up both details to compare CPU a with CPU b. Add a nice graphic bar onto it and voila, UB was born.

 

[Cocojambo13]

Imagine a shitty site portraing the mega 13th and 14th series from intel (that are getting sued ) that delivered to buyers a faulty product.

 

[m3tavision]

So I just built a 12700k system to replace my 3800X system and I also have a sever closet full of random ebay hardware as my homelab. However, I do build lots of gaming PCs for other people. I ask what their budget is first and how long they want it for. Most people want 3-5 years out of a build. you'd be surprised how many people say $7-800 and I tell them to just buy an ROG ally buy a dock for it to connect it to a TV or monitor. Given a $1500 budget, I would likely throw in a 7600-7800 paired with a 4070 or a 7800XT depending on what their goals are and what deals are available at the time.

Nothing you just said, makes any sense or logic.

There is no logical reference or reason to build a 12th gen 12700k system, when you already have an AM4 board with a 3800x in it, when u can just drop in a 5800X3D and be rocking the gaming world.

I know this from fact, because my 8 year old AM4 System started out with a Ryzen 1800x, then a 3900x now a 5800X3d..!



Coincidentally, I built my AM5 rig 2 years ago with a 7700x, (that is slower than my 5800X3D in certain games), but both outpace 12th gen anything. Why would anyone be looking backwards to LGA1700 or 12th Gen garbage?

Your post makes absolutely no sense and illustrates your incredible iNTEL bias.

 

[Puiu]

It will be interesting to see how X3D parts scale over time compared to their non-X3D counter parts. It's one thing to say they are x% faster at gaming today, but what will a 9800X3D vs a 9700X look like in 5 years in the latest games. My guess is that x% actually grows allowing the X3D chips to stay relevant much longer than their non-X3D counterparts. But that's just a guess, though there are some cases where the 5800X3D pops up above the 7700X in performance like in Jedi Survivor. The 5800X was terrible in that game.

If the 5800x3D is any indication, they'll still be much better at gaming than non-x3d parts.

 

[Puiu]

For most people the 9800X3D will be a waste of money and they will be GPU bottlenecked. Just because Steve does all his benchmarks on a 4090 does not mean most people have them.

And just because Steve uses modern titles, it doesn't mean people will only play those games. Older titles do get an FPS boost at 4K even when you don't have an 4090. We also don't know how CPU intensive games will be 3 years from now.

 

[mat9v]

Wow. Userbenchmark is right on the money and PC Magazine's CPU reviews concur. The X3D CPUS are a niche, compromise. Because the "fastest" gaming performance you will experience is by using an RTX 4090 at 1080P? Who the hell would spend $1500.00-$2400.00 to game at 1080P? Once your gaming is above 1080P you are GPU limited. And the latest 8 core 9800X3D will run about $500.00? If you are lucky?

Userbenchmark is also correct that the Intel 13600 and 14600 provide far more well rounded performance for all applications, not only gaming. Above 1080P, the frame rates for an X800X3D CPU are + or -3% from the rest of the competition.

Also, not all games benefit from vcache anyway. So don't just believe the repeated mantra AMD hopes you will, "X3D best for gaming". Spend your money wisely. Thank you, UserBenchMark for having the courage to tell the truth compared to all the "professional" review sites that use only 1080P with an RTX 4090 GPU for their benchmarks.

Then you play CP2077, go into Chinatown and suddenly your fps drops, you look at GPU utilization and you wonder "why do I have 50 fps and my GPU is sleeping?..."
Sure, not all games benefit, just check if yours do when buying. And on the flipside, not all games/programs benefit from other technologies - should we buy some CPU with inbuilt NPU just because Copilot may use it? What UB should do is present it's "findings" in categories as in "Gaming CPU", "General purpose CPU", "Media creation CPU" or any other appropriate category. Btw, it is worth noting that games are not the only application that benefits from additional cache.

 

[Watzupken]

It is funny why a benchmark making company even bother to take sides. Benchmarks are supposed to be neutral so that it allows users to test and make an informed decision on which hardware to buy.

 

[Eldrach]

Well - If you're buying a 9800 X3D, it's likely that you'll buy a 5080 or 5090 down the line as well. This CPU is quite future proof. My 4090 is already hitting the ceiling with my 5900x at 1440p in FPS games - I may run at 1440p, but I tune down the settings to max out my 240hz monitor.
The 1440p tests I've seen with this CPU usually has the settings cranked up high as if that is a given when running 1440p - instead of focusing on use cases.
The 5090 will be able to hit the ceiling with high settings in many popular competitive FPS games, which is where the 9800 X3D will come in handy.

Buying a 9800 X3D will keep you future proof for quite a few years - The AM5 socket is also a damn good buy as they will even release another generation for it.

 

[yRaz]

Nothing you just said, makes any sense or logic.

There is no logical reference or reason to build a 12th gen 12700k system, when you already have an AM4 board with a 3800x in it, when u can just drop in a 5800X3D and be rocking the gaming world.

I know this from fact, because my 8 year old AM4 System started out with a Ryzen 1800x, then a 3900x now a 5800X3d..!



Coincidentally, I built my AM5 rig 2 years ago with a 7700x, (that is slower than my 5800X3D in certain games), but both outpace 12th gen anything. Why would anyone be looking backwards to LGA1700 or 12th Gen garbage?

Your post makes absolutely no sense and illustrates your incredible iNTEL bias.

You can't get 5800X3Ds anymore. The 3800x went to my server rack and the 12700k is on my main rig. Id like to note I bought the CPU and mobo on ebay used for less than what you can currently get a 5800X3D for. The 12700k is faster than the 5800X3D and supports ECC memory. I also got a nearly complete system for the cost of putting a 5800X3D, which I would have dropped into a B350 mobo. That means a 5800X3D with PCIe Gen 3. The B350 board only supports 2 populated dims at full speed or I have to run all 4 at a slower speed. Considering I have 128GB of memory paired with it, I can't run the memory at DD4-4000 which is thebryzen sweet spot. I have not been able to get all 4 dims to run at higher than 2666 so I'm not paying all that money to put a 5800X3D in it.

I might throw a 5950X in there if I ever find a good deal on one. As a general rule I like to have 8GB of ram per core in my systems and core counts are more important than single threaded and *gasp* gaming performance.

I also like how I have an Intel bias when I have 7 rigs in my server rack that are all AMD based. The 12700k is my first Intel rig since my 3770k

 

[Loadedaxe]

Nothing you just said, makes any sense or logic.

There is no logical reference or reason to build a 12th gen 12700k system, when you already have an AM4 board with a 3800x in it, when u can just drop in a 5800X3D and be rocking the gaming world.

I know this from fact, because my 8 year old AM4 System started out with a Ryzen 1800x, then a 3900x now a 5800X3d..!



Coincidentally, I built my AM5 rig 2 years ago with a 7700x, (that is slower than my 5800X3D in certain games), but both outpace 12th gen anything. Why would anyone be looking backwards to LGA1700 or 12th Gen garbage?

Your post makes absolutely no sense and illustrates your incredible iNTEL bias.

Wait, you put a 5800x3D on a B350 MB?

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

 

[m3tavision]

Wait, you put a 5800x3D on a B350 MB?

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

hunh..? I don't or never have ever bought "B" boards.

I've been building Personal Computer since my first DX50 and I have learned over time to never use cheap boards. So I build my system off the best boards/chipsets w/best PSU and you never have to rip that System apart ever... only upgrade components ovr time.


As testament to that, My old X370 AM4 board that started with a 1800X is now still in the top 5% w/5800X3D, 8 years later. Mind you, that rig had a 1080ti in it, now it has a 6900xt and serves as my 3rd gaming rig and is in EOL.

As further testament to that, my 2 year old X670E AM5 Hero board that started with a 7700x will now be god-tier w/9800X3D, 2 years later. It started with an 7900XTX and looking to upgrade in mid 2025.



If you are a gamer stay away from iNTEL boards and CPUs. I think everyone knows this by now.