Valve is pouring money into Arch Linux to further improve Steam gaming

Windows 11 spying?

I use my own custom install and track packets on/off. Zero spying here.

Instead of praising Linux as a gaming OS - which it is not and never will be - then you should probably become a Windows poweruser instead of running stock iso.
OR, instead of constantly fighting MS's updates and potentially opening vulnerabilities tinkering with the windows install, I could just use linux, which took a week to get used to, and not deal with the BS.
As a Linux gamer, this is great news. Despite many claims in this thread, performance in many games is comparable to, and sometimes better than Windows. Linux has much less overhead.

The biggest hurdle holding Linux back is rootkit anti-cheats, since Linux prioritizes security. We recently saw this with GTA Online dropping Proton support when they added BattlEye. While BattlEye supports Linux, it only runs at kernel level on Windows.

Eventually, AI-based anti-cheats will advance enough that detecting actual cheats running on the PC won't be necessary, as AI learns to accurately identify play patterns of cheaters. At that point, compromising your security with root-level anti-cheats will no longer be needed.
This is a major issue, bu tonly if you play big AAA multiplayer. I dont, my multiplayer is mostly DRG, factorio, battlebit, and some other older games which all work in linux.
 
OR, instead of constantly fighting MS's updates and potentially opening vulnerabilities tinkering with the windows install, I could just use linux, which took a week to get used to, and not deal with the BS.
This is a major issue, bu tonly if you play big AAA multiplayer. I dont, my multiplayer is mostly DRG, factorio, battlebit, and some other older games which all work in linux.
Like it took a week and then you can play entire Windows cartalog, hahaha. Just stop. Linux is only free if your time has no value, because you will spend time fixing bugs constantly and this is especially true for desktop and gaming usage.

Besides all multiplayer games are unplayable on Linux as well due to anti cheat not working.

So yeah Linux gaming is "fine" if you want to limit yourself massively.
 
Congratulations, you must have the only PC in history that has zero issues. :party:

You need to learn how to use "literally" correctly, as the fact that I personally game on Linux means you're literally incorrect.
Just because you play a few shitgames on Linux, does not mean Linux is an alternative.

My PC has zero issues. If your PC has issues, you should fix them.
 
Linux is only free if your time has no value, because you will spend time fixing bugs constantly and this is especially true for desktop and gaming usage.

That sounds like a pretty good argument in favor of console gaming. XD
 
Consumers have not chosen. Steam had monopoly and was forced upon gamers to begin with. Steam was hated for years and years when it first came out. It was horrible, slow, bugged. Young people might not know!

That 30% fee is why many developers left the platform!

It is not a coincident that Valve don't really make games anymore. It is easier just to milk other developers. 30% fee is outrageous! Part of why game prices went up too, so it is not a free platform for PC gamers really. Developers raised prices to cover their expenses and you can partly thank Valve for that.
wut?

Yeah, people hated Steam when it first came out, because it was basically the "first" one that only covered Valve games. It seemed like just another piece of useless bloat. Then Valve put in the work to make it something that could properly manage your game library by keeping it up to date, offering an easy-to-use digital distribution platform for third party and indie devs, and creating a way to play with friends online (including VOIP). You used to have to do that all yourself, through multiple pieces of software. "Young people might not know!"

Consumers continue to choose Valve over Origin, Epic, GoG, and others, because none of them have created a platform that can actually compete with Steam. Closest has probably been Discord, and only on the "in-game communication" front. And if you really want to support Indie devs directly, just buy from itch.io and GoG (because don't think for one second that they "extra" 30% you give to the publisher by buying directly is going to the devs; its going to publisher shareholders)

Also, which Devs have permanently left the platform? Are they in the room with us now?
 
Windows 11 spying?

I use my own custom install and track packets on/off. Zero spying here.

Instead of praising Linux as a gaming OS - which it is not and never will be - then you should probably become a Windows poweruser instead of running stock iso.

How do you do custom installs?
 
That means the opposite really. It can be set up to be a master of many trades if not most.
No. It doesn't need a new meaning. It's been fine with the REAL meaning for a century or 2.
And it still means the same thing. And it still suits Linux well.
It can do many things, but none really well.
 
It's great to see a company investing in Linux gaming, despite it being in it's infancy. There's a lot of poo-pooing on here in the comments, but they are actually doing something to make a difference. Working towards a day when gaming systems don't have to eat a huge monthly cumulative update that may or may not mess with all their settings, install unwanted software or totally bork the machine.

Everybody benefits from these investments in Arch, it's a gift to all. Kudos to Valve.
 
Come on Valve - Let's have a polished STEAM OS from you, as a competent full replacement for poxy Windows!
 
Just because you play a few shitgames on Linux, does not mean Linux is an alternative.

My PC has zero issues. If your PC has issues, you should fix them.
I occasionally delve into various builds of Linux, just for interest's sake. whilst still being a Win10 user. I must say, your opinion that Linux will only run "a few shitty games" is completely wrong. I'm not a big fan of Linux, so I don't really have a dog in the fight.
 
I occasionally delve into various builds of Linux, just for interest's sake. whilst still being a Win10 user. I must say, your opinion that Linux will only run "a few shitty games" is completely wrong. I'm not a big fan of Linux, so I don't really have a dog in the fight.
I use Linux on several PCs, just not for gaming - it sucks for gaming, at least in 99 out of 100 games.
 
How do you do custom installs?
You make an answer file and put it on the installation media. Boom, custom install with only the features and services you want.

There is even plenty of generators for it. Some better than others, but you can do far more advanced installs than many of them is able to, by learning how do make one yourself.

 
To be honest, I don't understand why people call Steam a monopoly. The truth is, there are clear options for consumers out, and game developers are not forced to release their games on Steam. In fact, there is technically no advantage using Steam vs other game platforms. If a game is on Steam and say on EPIC or EA store, the game plays the same. I am also not aware that Steam is paying game developers to produce exclusive on the platform that is detrimental to other gaming platform. EPIC does this very often by the way. I feel the reason why Steam is preferred is likely due to the fact that people are used to it, and have most of their favorite game library there. Because it is frequently visited, it also benefits game developers to sell their games there.
 
Just because you play a few shitgames on Linux, does not mean Linux is an alternative.

My PC has zero issues. If your PC has issues, you should fix them.
First you crap on Linux gaming, proceed to ask me for the games I play, then crap on them. It's pretty clear you don't like Linux for gaming (whether you've actually tried it or not recently is open for debate), but why you feel the need to put down anyone (company or individual) who wants to improve Linux as a gaming platform is beyond me.
 
First you crap on Linux gaming, proceed to ask me for the games I play, then crap on them. It's pretty clear you don't like Linux for gaming (whether you've actually tried it or not recently is open for debate), but why you feel the need to put down anyone (company or individual) who wants to improve Linux as a gaming platform is beyond me.
You are just denying reality and act like Linux is a proper alternative to Windows for PC gaming. It's not and it is very obvious. Tons of multiplayer games don't work because of anti cheat as well. Dead-end OS for gaming really.

Developers releasing their games on PC won't spend money on Linux optimization and bugfixing. That is the hard reality for you.

Just because you play some old single player games on Linux with "little issues" and reduced performance, does not mean Linux is anywhere close to replacing Windows. Linux has 1% marketshare for a reason.
 
True developers have 0-1% focus on Linux.

MacOS gets more focus than Linux. Also MacOS have like 10 times the marketshare of Linux, especially among gamers.

You see, MacOS can play games as well. Do they run better than Windows? Nah, but some games work. Just like on Linux, some games work, not all. Far from all actually.

Who wants to limit themselves, running an OS that can play 2% of all PC games? Not me, that is for sure.

Wake this thread when Linux can play ALL PC GAMES, including Multiplayer games with anti cheat, just like Windows can.
 
Like it took a week and then you can play entire Windows cartalog, hahaha. Just stop. Linux is only free if your time has no value, because you will spend time fixing bugs constantly and this is especially true for desktop and gaming usage.
Nope. It took all of a day to get all my heavily played games installed, only Halo took some debugging.

Sorry if you're slow, some of us can learn pretty quick.
Besides all multiplayer games are unplayable on Linux as well due to anti cheat not working.
Wrong again. DRG, Halo MCC, Battlebit all work fine.
So yeah Linux gaming is "fine" if you want to limit yourself massively.
Linux gaming is great unless you need the latest activshit/ubislop/electronic *** products. Which I see as a win.
True developers have 0-1% focus on Linux.

MacOS gets more focus than Linux. Also MacOS have like 10 times the marketshare of Linux, especially among gamers.

You see, MacOS can play games as well. Do they run better than Windows? Nah, but some games work. Just like on Linux, some games work, not all. Far from all actually.

Who wants to limit themselves, running an OS that can play 2% of all PC games? Not me, that is for sure.

Wake this thread when Linux can play ALL PC GAMES, including Multiplayer games with anti cheat, just like Windows can.
Over 70% of steam games are playable on linux via proton. Your ignorance of the market isnt an excuse to just be plain wrong.
 
Valve began working on Linux gaming as a direct response to the introduction of the Windows Store and the new Windows application framework in Windows 8 over 12 years ago - long before the Steam Deck was viable. Important to remember.
 
Valve began working on Linux gaming as a direct response to the introduction of the Windows Store and the new Windows application framework in Windows 8 over 12 years ago - long before the Steam Deck was viable. Important to remember.
And here 12 years later, Linux still is pretty forgettable for gaming.

Linux will not be an alternative for people using high-end gaming peripherals. For casual gamers, Linux might work for a few games, if you accept reduced performance, bugs and crashes.

The best game on Linux is still Tux Racer.
 
Valve began working on Linux gaming as a direct response to the introduction of the Windows Store and the new Windows application framework in Windows 8 over 12 years ago - long before the Steam Deck was viable. Important to remember.
And now, they know it is really only viable for low resolution, small screen gaming.
800p is fine for a screen that small, and then Linux can get decent enough frame rates across the board to be acceptable.

Over 70% of steam games are playable on linux via proton.
And "playable" is the key word.
Just because a game can run on Linux does not mean it does it with acceptable results.

The best game on Linux is still Tux Racer.
:D ZING!!!
I mean.......... that wasn't nice!
 
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And now, they know it is really only viable for low resolution, small screen gaming.
800p is fine for a screen that small, and then Linux can get decent enough frame rates across the board to be acceptable.


And "playable" is the key word.
Just because a game can run on Linux does not mean it does it with acceptable results.


:D ZING!!!
I mean.......... that wasn't nice!

You are right.

A game being "playable" means it will start and nothing else. Performance is really bad in most "playable" games. Might crash too. They rarely play games from start to finish in testing.

Gaming on MacOS is closer to reality than Linux and Valve have focus on ARM64 Proton Layer that will make many games run on Apple Mx SoCs + MacOS.
 
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