Venezuelan president survives alleged drone assassination attempt, blames US-based backers,...

[NightAntilli]

I'm sure none of you have thought of this, but frankly, the president of Venezuela could have launched the attack himself, simply to point a finger at the US.

That is possible. But remember that false flag attacks are the expertise of the US.

Since the probability of a sniper drone being successful would be almost be completely nil, (especially if one of his most trusted generals was at the controls), he wouldn't really be in danger. But it does give him a talking point for Venezuela, and against the US.

Maybe. Or it was a test run for something else, just like the recent blackout in Venezuela where 80% of the country lost power. Didn't hear that in the news, did you?

And by the way, all you US haters in the audience. You always seem ti be backslapping us when your foreign aid package arrives.

Guess who receives half a billion dollars a year from the US. Ah yes, Colombia. The country known for drug trafficking and regular assassinations.
Guess who gets nothing, but still exports oil to the US. Ah yes, Venezuela. All Venezuela got in the last 20 years, is 50k dollars (that's right, 50 thousand) for the red cross after a landslide.

 

[captaincranky]

That is possible. But remember that false flag attacks are the expertise of the US.

And you would know because you're a CIA operative, right?

Maybe. Or it was a test run for something else, just like the recent blackout in Venezuela where 80% of the country lost power. Didn't hear that in the news, did you?

No, but then I don't care either.

Guess who receives half a billion dollars a year from the US. Ah yes, Colombia. The country known for drug trafficking and regular assassinations.

Well, as Venezuela is a "sovereign nation", they certainly don't want US troops operating in their country. So, how about if Venezuela keeps its cocaine, and their dictator gets the cartels or smuggling routes under control?

I did some fact checking, and you're right, the US stopped providing aid to Venezuela,in the mid 60's

But the reason was that Venezuela was the richest country in South America. Although, heir current "government", seems to have run it into the ground

Guess who gets nothing, but still exports oil to the US. Ah yes, Venezuela. All Venezuela got in the last 20 years, is 50k dollars (that's right, 50 thousand) for the red cross after a landslide.

Maybe Venezuela should pay for its own relief. I'm sure the US pays for the oil.

Or is it sold on contingency, where it's xxx dollars a barrel now, but you'll have to give us more if we need it later?

BTW, I di9d a quick read on the same Wiki article you did; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Venezuela

And then I researched their drug trafficking involvement
https://www.businessinsider.com/r-venezuela-drug-trade-rings-alarm-bells-2014-12

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/18/world/cocaine-finds-a-new-route-in-venezuela.html

This one is extra explicit:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/world/americas/venezuela-is-cocaine-hub-despite-its-claims.html

But those are probably all lies, since they're all US publications, right?

(There, I saved you the trouble of posting back).

 

[cuerdc]

If this was a well backed attempt it would not of failed I always imagine something like the intel drone show kind of drone army

 

[NightAntilli]

And you would know because you're a CIA operative, right?

I don't have to be. The older ones are public knowledge, and to assume they are no longer happening is delusional. Want one? Look up Operation Northwoods, the most well-known and public one.

No, but then I don't care either.

If you don't care what is happening in a country, how can you know what is happening in it? Or are you only repeating what the mainstream media psyop has spoonfed you? Oh. The US doesn't do that either? Here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States

Well, as Venezuela is a "sovereign nation", they certainly don't want US troops operating in their country. So, how about if Venezuela keeps its cocaine, and their dictator gets the cartels or smuggling routes under control?

I did some fact checking, and you're right, the US stopped providing aid to Venezuela,in the mid 60's

But the reason was that Venezuela was the richest country in South America. Although, heir current "government", seems to have run it into the ground

Maybe Venezuela should pay for its own relief. I'm sure the US pays for the oil.

Or is it sold on contingency, where it's xxx dollars a barrel now, but you'll have to give us more if we need it later?

BTW, I di9d a quick read on the same Wiki article you did; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Venezuela

And then I researched their drug trafficking involvement
https://www.businessinsider.com/r-venezuela-drug-trade-rings-alarm-bells-2014-12

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/18/world/cocaine-finds-a-new-route-in-venezuela.html

This one is extra explicit:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/world/americas/venezuela-is-cocaine-hub-despite-its-claims.html

But those are probably all lies, since they're all US publications, right?

(There, I saved you the trouble of posting back).

Do you know the difference between trafficking in the sense of passing through a country, and trafficking as in originating from a country? The new york times links don't work for me, but the first one from business insider is talking about drugs from other South American countries passing through Venezuela. Take one guess which one is the largest. Yeah. Colombia. Because they produce it there. 60% of all the cocaine of South America is produced in Colombia. It's followed by Peru and Bolivia. Venezuela doesn't do it. And if it happens, it's negligible and definitely not government supported like Colombia (despite what they are trying to let on). Chances are that the ones in Venezuela are illegal plantations close to the Colombian border. But whatever.

Venezuela is not a saint. But there is a psyop going on to demonize the country for invasion, because "they" would benefit from it. Who is "they"...? You tell me.

 

[captaincranky]

-@NightAntilli As I predicted, the links I posted for you "wouldn't work.

I have no plans to visit Venezuela, to learn, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth addording to you.

As far as if you hand me a gun to shoot somebody with, we would both be tagged for murder. I think it's called "complicity.

As far as "psyops" go, I have to suffer through tyhem 24/7. It's called "advertising, and some of the best psychologists and "social influencers", apply themselves to sway even the most stubborn.of minds

I'm told we produce enough oil to be virtually independent.

. So apparently the only thing I'm missing out on, is Venezuela's super hot fashion models. Oh well, I'll have to settle for checking out nude Ukrainian blonds.

Yes, I'm that f***ing shallow.

 

[NightAntilli]

-@NightAntilli As I predicted, the links I posted for you "wouldn't work.

I have no plans to visit Venezuela, to learn, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth addording to you.

As far as if you hand me a gun to shoot somebody with, we would both be tagged for murder. I think it's called "complicity.

As far as "psyops" go, I have to suffer through tyhem 24/7. It's called "advertising, and some of the best psychologists and "social influencers", apply themselves to sway even the most stubborn.of minds

I'm told we produce enough oil to be virtually independent.

. So apparently the only thing I'm missing out on, is Venezuela's super hot fashion models. Oh well, I'll have to settle for checking out nude Ukrainian blonds.

Yes, I'm that f***ing shallow.

The New York Times links work now. At work they couldn't be loaded, but now that I'm at home, I can read them... First one..;
"Venezuela produces no narcotics and consumes very little. But, sharing 1,300 miles of poorly patrolled border with Colombia, the world's largest cocaine producer, this country is rapidly emerging as an important new transshipment point for drugs heading to the United States and Western Europe."

So basically what I said, without reading the article...

2nd article can be summarized by this image;
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/07/27/world/sub-venezuela3/sub-venezuela3-jumbo.jpg

Why is Venezuela blamed for this, if it's clearly Colombia's doing? That they fly out through Venezuela is another story...

In any case... Indeed the US produces enough oil to be completely independent from everyone else. But the corporations profit more by exporting it, while the US is left with a higher bill since they're forced to import. Their own oil is inaccessible... Which is really a shame.

 

[treetops]

It's trivially easy to mod a drone to shoot a gun. Do an illegal motor swap so the airframe can carry a heavier load and you can put any long-rifle on there you want.

Edit: This is also why I say it's pointless to use a drone as a sniper platform. Load it up with a shotgun or a grenade launcher, fly in nice and close, and boom. This super spy sniper stuff is too fancy.

Yeah but it never hit anything he was aiming at as far as I know, your right. It's been done but in a sloppy way.

Umm, driving a car is not a right. Besides, background checks work great when a lawful citizen is purchasing a gun. The statistics are overwhelming that where a handgun has been used in a crime it was not purchased by the perpetrator, it was stolen. There has been less than 1% of crimes involving a weapon legally purchased by the perpetrator. Also, there has been no murders by any NRA members that I can find in the last 30 years. So, instituting background checks is just like giving out 5th thru 10th place trophies, it is just a "feel good" gesture. Real reform would be to allow law abiding citizens continue to do what we have been doing and allow us to protect ourselves and families with the very weapons you expect Police to have to protect you and themselves.

Back up your claims with evidence as a I do. You seem to miss the entire point, responsible gun owners like background checks, they should also be applied to private sales
.
Specifically
"The statistics are overwhelming that where a handgun has been used in a crime it was not purchased by the perpetrator, it was stolen. There has been less than 1% of crimes involving a weapon legally purchased by the perpetrator."

 

[captaincranky]

The New York Times links work now. At work they couldn't be loaded, but now that I'm at home, I can read them... First one..;
"Venezuela produces no narcotics and consumes very little. But, sharing 1,300 miles of poorly patrolled border with Colombia, the world's largest cocaine producer, this country is rapidly emerging as an important new transshipment point for drugs heading to the United States and Western Europe."

So basically what I said, without reading the article...

Well, I don't allow people to sell drugs off my front steps, despite the fact I live in a very dense sales and high traffic area.

With that said, the issue sounds like the old children's challenge of turning in a false fire alarm, "if I break the glass, will you pull the handle". So, "if I grow and process the drugs, will you deliver them for me". You seem prone to forgive or ignore any complicity that nation might have in the distribution of drugs.

So, run a few alternate scenarios, as to what would happen if, Venezuela cracked down <(pun intended), on drug traffic moving through the country. Dunno, you tell me.

This next thing is from vague memory, so it needs to be fact checked. I believe a friend of mine's wife is from Venezuela. They left a couple of decades ago, but I think I recall him talking about about cocaine abuse being on the rise, and I unfortunately forget the colloquial Spanish word for it.

So, all your flights of fancy, tales of "psyops", and musings, of "who are they", (which is a game we used to play 50 years ago when stoned on pot, (boy-o-boy, that stuff makes you paranoid)), and just come out with an opinion on whether or not, Hugo Chavez is Venezuela's future, or is he running it into the ground? That would save us both a lot of unnecessary typing, while depriving you of placing the blame for any of it, on the US.

 

[Robertrogue]

Yeah but it never hit anything he was aiming at as far as I know, your right. It's been done but in a sloppy way.


Back up your claims with evidence as a I do. You seem to miss the entire point, responsible gun owners like background checks, they should also be applied to private sales
.
Specifically
"The statistics are overwhelming that where a handgun has been used in a crime it was not purchased by the perpetrator, it was stolen. There has been less than 1% of crimes involving a weapon legally purchased by the perpetrator."

https://www.quora.com/What-is-murder-rate-by-members-of-the-NRA
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/22/gun-rights-supporters-national-rifle-association-nra
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...lence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america
I read and learn, which gives me more knowledge. I baked them up!! There is no evidence that there are NRA members killing people. Most murders are concentrated in certain areas and most gun incidents in the U.S. are defensive and 2/3rds of all deaths by firearm are suicide. Plus America has gotten more safe over the years with more weapons purchased "legally".

 

[treetops]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-murder-rate-by-members-of-the-NRA
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/22/gun-rights-supporters-national-rifle-association-nra
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...lence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america
I read and learn, which gives me more knowledge. I baked them up!! There is no evidence that there are NRA members killing people. Most murders are concentrated in certain areas and most gun incidents in the U.S. are defensive and 2/3rds of all deaths by firearm are suicide. Plus America has gotten more safe over the years with more weapons purchased "legally".

None of your links back up your previously made statements.

Your quotes that you deleted, probably because you found out that you are wrong.

"The statistics are overwhelming that where a handgun has been used in a crime it was not purchased by the perpetrator, it was stolen. There has been less than 1% of crimes involving a weapon legally purchased by the perpetrator."
Where is this in your links?

"Also, there has been no murders by any NRA members that I can find in the last 30 years."
Where is this in your links?

 

[Robertrogue]

None of your links back up your previously made statements.

Your quotes that you deleted, probably because you found out that you are wrong.

"The statistics are overwhelming that where a handgun has been used in a crime it was not purchased by the perpetrator, it was stolen. There has been less than 1% of crimes involving a weapon legally purchased by the perpetrator."
Where is this in your links?

"Also, there has been no murders by any NRA members that I can find in the last 30 years."
Where is this in your links?

There is no recorded murders by any NRA members, cannot find any evidence of this, even in the Federal database on gun homicides. Also the one link says that of the data the feds have, of all the gun incidents involving a crime the guns were "not" purchased legally by the criminal. The 1% may be exaggerated but I still say it. Maybe you could disprove it!

 

[NightAntilli]

Oh look...

 

[Cycloid Torus]

Check out the source of the video...seems to be 'one man's opinion'..
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDow765I-QrmVp9Kfz0HqGA