Vinyl is crushing CDs as music industry eclipses cinema, report says

Give me a good TUBE (valve) amplifier, some Klipsch speakers and a good turntable will sound better and warmer than all of these digital things.
That's because tube amps create harmonic distortion BEFORE they clip.

I bet they didn't tell you that in the instructions. Harmonic distortion is actually quite pleasant, not like that nasty old inter-modulation stuff.

And well, transistor amps just plain clip. If you want a little "warmth" from a solid state amp, just push the EQ sliders a couple Db somewhere up between 250-500 & 1 Khz.

And then there's a whole psycho-sexual component to the perception of sound. Women like to hear bass, because they have extended high frequency hearing, so they can hear babies cry.

While men like high frequency sound, because they don't hear so well in that range.

It's true though, men do like subwoofers, primarily because they make themselves feel important.
 
I would expect vinyl sales to surpass cds simply because they cost more. Usually, the vinyl version of an album will cost 2-3 times what the cd cost. I certainly hope the resurgence will help drive prices down. Most vinyl today is over $20 and it should be more like $10-15, especially for older albums which have already generated tons of profit for the rights holders.
 
That's because tube amps create harmonic distortion BEFORE they clip.

I bet they didn't tell you that in the instructions. Harmonic distortion is actually quite pleasant, not like that nasty old inter-modulation stuff.

And well, transistor amps just plain clip. If you want a little "warmth" from a solid state amp, just push the EQ sliders a couple Db somewhere up between 250-500 & 1 Khz.

And then there's a whole psycho-sexual component to the perception of sound. Women like to hear bass, because they have extended high frequency hearing, so they can hear babies cry.

While men like high frequency sound, because they don't hear so well in that range.

It's true though, men do like subwoofers, primarily because they make themselves feel important.
Tube Amps produce Eigentones which are 2nd/3rd etc harmonics of the original signal. This give the warmth and depth to the sound. All FM signals for music stations are compressed due to the bandwidth limit of the radio signal. This also gives a full sound. Modern recordings are not mixed for old school amplifiers like my QUAD 405 , they are mixed for earbuds and don't sound great on older WiFi systems. CDs are far superior to vinyl when it comes to sound quality regardless of what vinyl heads will tell you. If you like the snap, crackle and pop of a record fair enough . To cap it all everything is recorded in a digital format so putting that on to vinyl is pointless. There are some rare examples of a direct analogue recordings cut on to the vinyl master in real time, very expensive to do and no possibility of mixing or editing. You could also record analogue on to 8 track tape and master same if you could find a working machine, then wow and flutter come into the equation, time synching etc. CDs used to have AAD, ADD or DDD printed on them which would tell 1st letter recording medium, analogue or digital. 2nd Mixing process and 3rd final Format.
 
Give me a good TUBE (valve) amplifier, some Klipsch speakers and a good turntable will sound better and warmer than all of these digital things. You can oversample a digital track only so many times but it is still digital. It's just analog is a PITA to deal with when you can just click on your phone in your car or at home to listen to something, not to mention wiping the LP's off and flipping them over.

Most new vinyl now is cut from digital sources. You do have direct live to vinyl cut albums, completely analog . But that's a a lot of effort , mix and performance one shot on the button

Vinyl rolls off, in the treble normally so won't sound overly bright and harsh- ie a warm sound many of us like .

Vinyl often sounded better than CDS because originally Studios not very talented in making CDs.
Loudness wars , see dreadful Red Hot Chili peppers who were one of originated , no dynamics , they just wanted their crap production to stand out on the radio - tiring and horrible as hell to listen to. So vinyl was often far less compressed , as very funny as CD has more latitude for less compression.
Also funny as pop songs from the 60s had more dynamics and they were made for AM radio with it's inherently reduced dynamics

Different masters of an album as well. This was common for people raving about 192/96 files compared to red book std . Often they got a better master with more dynamics , or a slightly louder. Audio sales trick to upsell something - does this sound better ( they secretly gave it a 4db boost )

A well mastered song will sound great on analog or digital

If you have a good enough system you will get that inky black background, kind of like OLEDS for movies

There were "pirates" digitalising vinyl records to preserve the better masters and more "analog" sound

Most important thing is how well it was Mastered independent of analog or digital
 
I no longer have the hearing to hear the difference, but I do believe that better equipment can produce better sound. I took an audio engineering class in college and our professor took us to his listening room which he designed. I don't know how much he spent on it but suffice it to say it was multiple thousands of dollars as he had Klipsch La Scala's (which were pricey then and are still pricey) and McIntosh tube amps. The sound was perfect in any spot in the room. He designed the room for a local stereo retail store so they could demo various pieces of gear.
"Better gear produces better sound", is stating the obvious. There is a limit to the fanaticism involved with spending money to get you where you think you "need" to be. You know, like spending $100.00 or so for "Monster speaker cables". But of course they sound "better". You have to justify how much you paid for them somehow

Where the sound comes from, where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, is with the loudspeakers. Generally speaking most decent amps are pretty neutral, not adding too much of a sound of their own.

Ironically, profit margins go up with brand recognition and reputation, if you perceive X is better than Y, you 're likely to spend more for it. Which kinda dictates that if your buddy has a "xxxxxxx" 75 wpc, then you'll have to buy the 85 watter. Although, the highest (almost astronomical) profit margins, are in the speakers.

Once you reach a certain point with electronics, the differences that mean most are the room it's in, and the a**hole behind the mixing console.

The problem I have with vinyl is that I grew up with it, and it's a poor sounding, touchy media, used with lousy recording devices of the period.

The first thing that hits me is transient response, or lack thereof, and the amount of compression applied. I have so many old "great, historic, LPs", that sound like they were recorded from a half mile away. I frankly don't see the point of revisiting those "wonder years".

I can't, and I'm willing to bet that you can't, hear the "stair stepping" from the 44 Khz CD sampling rate. Yet so many of the nouveau audiophiles claim they can. Not to mention with a >90 db S/N ratio, you won't hear any hissing, popping , or crackling from you system between the notes from a CD, but you will from an LP.

Not to mention, even the legendary Shure V-15 Type III is discontinued. Audio-Technica still persists, but if you read the instructions you'll note, "these are ruggedized to allow back cueing". And then to add insult to injury, many of the new turntables are connected via USB, and well, that where the "digital magic" happens. Goodbye analog.

The fact of the matter is, 90% of people listening to music can't even hear an amp clipping, which is sad.

As for MP3, once it gets to 320 Kbs, it does become difficult to tell it from LP or CD. But that again, is partly dependent on what you're listening to it with.

So, in conclusion, (it's about time right), I would say a great many of those rushing to buy LPs are doing it because they want the cover art, and are futilely attempting to relive their youth.
 
Vinyl rolls off, in the treble normally so won't sound overly bright and harsh- ie a warm sound many of us like .
Some early digital to vinyl albums forgot to incorporate the RIAA rolloff protocol. IIRC Bruce Springsteen's |The River" was particularly ear-splittingly bright.

Where I like warmth most, is in lighting. Which is why the incandescent reflectors in my ceiling cans are staying there forever. I even bought a couple cases of bulbs, because they're going to be discontinued.

I have a pair of cheapie Klipsch "Icon" 2 x 8" towers. The only thing I touch is the bottom end to compensate for loudness. My receiver doesn't seem to have quite figured out the whole Fletcher-Munson curve thing yet. Horn loaded tweeters, you can't live with 'em, ya can't live without 'em.

Even solid state amps don't really hook up with the system until they're pushed a bit. Actually it's more likely the speakers hooking up with the amp. The net result is the same.

As for today's music, a huge percentage doesn't even deserve to be called "music".
 
Tube Amps produce Eigentones which are 2nd/3rd etc harmonics of the original signal. This give the warmth and depth to the sound.
Indeed, but it's still "harmonic distortion", in that it adds frequencies that weren't in the original source. We're talking about "even order harmonics" which are, very pleasant. I would think we're talking about the 5ths and octaves being produced.

Which brings me to the time I was playing with one of my 12 strings and an Electro harmonix "Pitch Fork" which introduces higher and/or lower octaves.. By the time the signal was summed, the guitar sounded similar to a pipe organ. I guess that's what they mean by, "pulling out all the stops".

Maybe I should have hung a compressor in the line. You know, for the sustain.
 
Some early digital to vinyl albums forgot to incorporate the RIAA rolloff protocol. IIRC Bruce Springsteen's |The River" was particularly ear-splittingly bright.

Where I like warmth most, is in lighting. Which is why the incandescent reflectors in my ceiling cans are staying there forever. I even bought a couple cases of bulbs, because they're going to be discontinued.

I have a pair of cheapie Klipsch "Icon" 2 x 8" towers. The only thing I touch is the bottom end to compensate for loudness. My receiver doesn't seem to have quite figured out the whole Fletcher-Munson curve thing yet. Horn loaded tweeters, you can't live with 'em, ya can't live without 'em.

Even solid state amps don't really hook up with the system until they're pushed a bit. Actually it's more likely the speakers hooking up with the amp. The net result is the same.

As for today's music, a huge percentage doesn't even deserve to be called "music".
I've a pair of Kef 104 4 ohm reference speakers which handle 200 rms watts no problem that I bought in the 80s to go with my Quad 405 set up on the advice of my then neighbour a radio engineer/producer . My orignal Philips CD1 player went thru 4 lazers in its lifetime. The early lazer burnt out with use but they were easily repaired. Still going strong and is probably responsible for my tinnitus. I'm afraid of the capacitors going on fire in the amp due to their age. Lol
 
There's some of that going on. I wouldn't say "huge" however.
You know I live in, "da hood", right? Given my sampling you could say "almost all" of today's music isn't music. A beat box, three notes in the subwoofer, and somebody's rambling threats and prolific profanity, doesn't make the cut. (IMHO).

Besides, I'm an "eclectic", (or like to imagine I am). Everybody from the Eagles, to Jethro Tull, to Linda Ronstadt,to Dan Seals to Martina McBride, to Sugarland, to The Who, to Kamelot, to Dragonforce, all get a turn at the mic.

Maybe I should ask my neighbors how they feel about that.

Hey, I'll be 76 next month, you\d think I would have outgrown this sh*t by now:
 
You know I live in, "da hood", right? Given my sampling you could say "almost all" of today's music isn't music. A beat box, three notes in the subwoofer, and somebody's rambling threats and prolific profanity, doesn't make the cut. (IMHO).
Yeah, but that's "da hood". Not all music being produced today is ghetto trash. Some yes, but that's always been true. Trash music will always be a thing because of the audience that identifies with it.
 
Yeah, but that's "da hood". Not all music being produced today is ghetto trash. Some yes, but that's always been true. Trash music will always be a thing because of the audience that identifies with it.
Now Zed, you know we don't get Adel down in these parts.

You haven't told me what you thought of "The Last Dragonborne". It's from "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim".
 
You're right, I didn't. Not really interested.
The last note the singer hits is E5. It's worth listening to for that alone.

You don't game? I thought it was intriguing how much inspiration they pulled from the game's plot. There's an actual theme song to the game, covered by quite a few people. IIRC that title is "The Dragonborne Comes"
 
Do you KNOW this person you have just publicly and rudely accused of being racist while offering no support for your insulting conclusion?

Racism is, sadly, a continuing problem in our culture. But so is the rush to judge others without knowing any facts about them.
It's a movie which is why it is in quotes. I was using the movie as a positive example for this part, "Occasionally we are treated to something that required actual effort." of a post
 
..Are they being reproduced to sound the same as the vinyl records that were sold in time past with all the hisses and pops and all that jazz...

The hisses and pops of a vinyl record are not part of the recorded music; they are noise from dust and debris on the surface of the record.
 
Some early digital to vinyl albums forgot to incorporate the RIAA rolloff protocol. IIRC Bruce Springsteen's |The River" was particularly ear-splittingly bright.

Where I like warmth most, is in lighting. Which is why the incandescent reflectors in my ceiling cans are staying there forever. I even bought a couple cases of bulbs, because they're going to be discontinued.

I have a pair of cheapie Klipsch "Icon" 2 x 8" towers. The only thing I touch is the bottom end to compensate for loudness. My receiver doesn't seem to have quite figured out the whole Fletcher-Munson curve thing yet. Horn loaded tweeters, you can't live with 'em, ya can't live without 'em.

Even solid state amps don't really hook up with the system until they're pushed a bit. Actually it's more likely the speakers hooking up with the amp. The net result is the same.

As for today's music, a huge percentage doesn't even deserve to be called "music".
I do most of my listening on planar headphones off my pc , of a chord dac.- Though have a couple of other mid- high end headphones
Heard horns need a bit of juice to work
My current floorstanders , sound good even at low volumes. Will upgrade my receiver next year when upgrade my TV , and finally get around to installing my 4 atmos speakers I have waiting in my garage, was humming and harring whether to extend that room and that next to it by 2 meters , but figured don't need consent hassle and disturbance, Plus why give council and insurance company more money for rates and premiums
My current receiver has a HT out to my stereo amp - ie just a passthrough mode, which is much better for music. My old Arcam receiver sounded nice with music , probably only needed a new cap, however couldn't handle newer stuff, and not going to use another front end receiver in chain and pre-outs or whatever they are called . receivers are not that small

Have enough reason quality speakers lying around to even do 7.2.4 , though maybe just 5.1.4. Weird having another $500 sub sitting in garage , a spare pair of elac debut 2 speakers if I want the rear ones . Main sub is a big yamaha one

As for lighting for LED you have got ones with 3 different settings for colour warmth and the CR rating should be over 90 to give you the most correct colour of say a magazine you are reading
Sodium lights on foggy nights look cool , lighting up the streets
 
People are sick of Hollywood and out of touch woke celebs.
this and people can still afford to go to a movie. Even though I think overpriced. A Show for music is Way Way overpriced and I wont pay 150$ to go to a concert. but you can buy a cd/song for pretty cheap still. so cd/song sales will be higher
 
As for lighting for LED you have got ones with 3 different settings for colour warmth and the CR rating should be over 90 to give you the most correct colour of say a magazine you are reading
Sodium lights on foggy nights look cool , lighting up the streets
That's just it, my overhead floods are on dimmers. So I can get any color temperature I want, even down to warmer than candlelight . It's not stepped, but continuously variable. I think they top out at 3300K..

For ambient lighting I'm a sucker for flicker bulbs and Lava lamps, all yellow-red spectrum. It's like being back in the womb, but with music piped in. And I didn't even need a shrink to help me figure that out/

And my porch light is a 70 watt HPS. It does wreak havoc when you try to use security cameras with it, due to the narrow spectrum wave length. (580 nm or thereabouts).

I was always a poor kid. I enjoyed building my own speakers. The best ones ever were my JBL D-130s w/ 075 ring radiators in 5 Cft cabinets. A friend told me, "you can't do that in a row house", but I persisted. Some people don't like the "vintage JBL sound", I did. The only trouble was that they were so efficient that they pretty much precluded listening to rock. Their sound was too dense and omnipresent. It was pretty much like sticking your head into a PA cab. Wonderful for vocals though. The vocal perspective was like being inside the singer's mouth. 50 watts a side would easily drive them into the pain region.

I keep meaning to build a new set of speakers, something to approximate the Klipsch RF-7s. Although, I'm getting a bit on in years to be wrestling around those 4 x 8' mdf panels.
 
You know I live in, "da hood", right? Given my sampling you could say "almost all" of today's music isn't music. A beat box, three notes in the subwoofer, and somebody's rambling threats and prolific profanity, doesn't make the cut. (IMHO).

Besides, I'm an "eclectic", (or like to imagine I am). Everybody from the Eagles, to Jethro Tull, to Linda Ronstadt,to Dan Seals to Martina McBride, to Sugarland, to The Who, to Kamelot, to Dragonforce, all get a turn at the mic.

Maybe I should ask my neighbors how they feel about that.

Hey, I'll be 76 next month, you\d think I would have outgrown this sh*t by now:
Never Lol
 
Most people I know who own vinyl, usually have them as a showpiece in their home (decoration) and a few are collectors.
 
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