Watch John Oliver's take on the Apple vs. FBI encryption battle

By Julio Franco ยท 18 replies
Mar 14, 2016
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  1. Arguments on the iPhone encryption case are going back and forth and will likely stay that way for the foreseeable future. It's a complicated matter evolving encryption, law enforcement, and striking a balance between citizens' right to privacy and security and the government's ability to get information that would assist in criminal investigations and prosecutions.

    If you aren't fully caught on the implications of the case, we recommend you watch the video which will give you a good overall perspective about the case on a very entertaining tone. Also don't miss the last two minutes of Apple commercial parody that are pure comedy gold.

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  2. Uncle Al

    Uncle Al TS Evangelist Posts: 3,329   +1,977

    Well, I guess it's funny ...... maybe ......
  3. EClyde

    EClyde TS Evangelist Posts: 1,301   +429

    Who the hell is this pud and why would I care what he thinks...even if he agrees with me? I think Apple should help if they don't they are Aiding and abetting...if you don't like that well screw you
  4. Roboiii

    Roboiii TS Rookie

    The designed the phone not to be penetrated. Apple cannot be forced to design a program to help law enforcement. That's ridiculous. If government wants in they can pay to have that done.
  5. JB Hickok

    JB Hickok Banned Posts: 29

    This is either one of the dumbest performers or one of the best actors I've seen. He really can't figure it out?
  6. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,073   +219

    I usually agree with a lot of his points, I watched his entire show last night. But not on this. The police can seize your mail and paper documents if you are convicted of a crime. This should be no different.

    He also says anyone with a ebay account can buy a cracking device for under 100$ and bust through a phone in minutes. If you anyone can buy a crack on ebay, then that takes away from the point of protecting the billions of dollars apples has sunk into its security. They have no security.

    Furthermore just because someone can purchase security from another country which does not have to yield to our laws, in no way make it ok for apple to disregard our laws. In a John Oliver sense.... That's like saying we should not prosecute a mother who gives their 1 year old cigarettes, since it's legal in Zimbabwe. (example country, weve all seen the youtube video)

    The only thing the gov would have to do, would be to pass a law to allow law enforcement to use those cracking devices. However that most likely infringes on some kind of intellectual property right laws.

    On a side note, say someone created a self destructing safe, which likely already exists. Could the goverment force them to provide a work around for law enforcement? Same topic just another way to look at it.
  7. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,714   +3,695

    Yes your documents not everyone's.
  8. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Guru Posts: 843   +38

    It's not that simple, and here's why:

    1) Even IF Apple DID comply, how would the software get updated to the phone? You would have to log into the phone in order to install the software...something they can't do. So how the hell would they even update the phone with the software that would allow them to crack the encryption? They can't.

    So what do we do? Well, Apple would release an update to all phones that now has this back door, so it can be used the next time something like this happens. BUT:

    2) So let's say that they did manage to do this. The problem now is that iOS is no longer as secure as it once was. You have now created a back door that did not exist before. This means that anyone who has an iPhone is no longer protected. Hackers can, and will, get a hold of this back door and cause havoc on people's phones. So you're saying that we should give up personal protection of our private information. Is that something you really agree with in a society that is constantly having their electronics hacked into? And what is to stop the government from abusing this power? We already know our government wire taps illegally. Do you really trust them to follow all the proper procedures for searching people's personal belongings?

    In summary:
    ~The software can't be pushed to this phone
    ~It gets pushed to all phones to prevent this problem in the future
    ~Hackers now have a back door that didn't exist before into your phone

    Forcing people to give up their personal protection "for the greater good" is not the American way. It creates a slippery slope that could lead us into a martial law country. Because we know how oh so kind and law abiding the government is. The more personal liberties they can take from us, the more powerful they become, the more they begin to abuse that power.
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,714   +3,695

    I'm getting sick of hearing about this iphone. They might as well be trying to charge doctors, because they refuse to read the dead guy's mind.
  10. JB Hickok

    JB Hickok Banned Posts: 29

    IOS is not as secure as they want people to think it is.
  11. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,736   +3,757

    It's secure enough that the Feds can't get in it. And it should stay that way.
  12. EClyde

    EClyde TS Evangelist Posts: 1,301   +429

    You are clueless about America
  13. 3volv3d

    3volv3d TS Addict Posts: 155   +59

    I love the idea that America isn't already on a super slippery slope.

    But look at the dumb feds who want to have a backdoor to your butt phone. Lazy swines don't even want to do their jobs. It's too hard ... cheats plz ?!

    It is meant to be hard. Funny though, if people just didn't have phones, and went back to letters, hand delivered... I think the Feds would be in an even worse position.
  14. JB Hickok

    JB Hickok Banned Posts: 29

    If you believe that, then they succeeded.
  15. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,736   +3,757

    I'll spell it out for you: Their stuff is sufficently secure that the FBI feels it necessary to get Apple to engineer a backdoor.

    Or are we all to believe the FBI already has a key and they decided to go to battle against Apple for kicks?

    You people keep saying Apple's encryption isn't secure. Yet, here we are, with the FBI unable to get into a supposedly super vulnerable iPhone.
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  16. havok585

    havok585 TS Booster Posts: 155   +27

    If the FBI did crack the phone (NSA help?) and IF they found evidence, they cant present it in court (illegal if not done by Apple) so that could be a reason they want to force Apple to create the backdoor.
  17. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,736   +3,757

    Wrong. It would be inadmissable if information were obtained illegally. The phone is (was) the property of a known terrorist, giving them all the appropriate legal justification to search it. This includes breaching security measures.

    The FBI wants a backdoor because it will take them too long to do it on their own...because Apple encryption.
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  18. Bruce Fraser

    Bruce Fraser TS Rookie

    Edward Snowden released the documents which show that USA security forces completely disregard the laws regarding personal rights and privacy. These security forces are now reaping what they sowed: they have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. "We promise we'll use this tool this only under extreme conditions" -- yeah, right. And how about that land you have for sale in Louisiana?
  19. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Guru Posts: 843   +38

    Well, I kind of live here, I'm not, lol. Please explain what makes you say that so that we can better understand each other.

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