While chiplets have been around for decades, today they are the hottest trend in chip making powering millions of devices from PCs, to servers, phones and wearables.
What Are Chiplets and Why They Are So Important for the Future of Processors
What Are Chiplets and Why They Are So Important for the Future of Processors
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zamroni111
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With recent quarterly financial loses, I dont think intel will continue to use interposer for desktop consumer meteor lake because it's just too expensive.
They can afford to take some loses if they manage to beat AMD. Intel's biggest problems are not how fast or efficient their chips are, it's the delays. Meteor Lake will be laptop only as they canceled the desktop version to focus on Arrow Lake.
If they don't deliver Arrow Lake in Q4 of 2024, as they said they will, then they'll have to compete with Zen6 instead of Zen5/Zen5 3D. Hopefully they won't do a paper launch, competition is good.
As I see it, Intel and AMD will once again start leapfrogging eachother:
Zen 4 Phoenix/Dragon <= Meteor Lake < zen 5 < Zen 5 3D < Arrow Lake < Zen 6 < Panther Lake
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m3tavision
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I feel it is the delay with their fab that is having a knock on impact on them delivering the chip timely. If you observed, the way Intel is rolling Meteor Lake out is akin to Cannon Lake/ Ice Lake when Intel managed to squeeze 10nm out of their fab after prolong delays.
That is why there is no "Apple M2 Extreme" for Mac Pro, the Ultra is already an Ultra-expensive monolithic behemot.
brunocasarini
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Why aren't the silicon wafers square so there's no wasted chips on the disc's perimeter?
Wafers are made from a single crystal of ultra-pure silicon that are slowly spun in liquid silicon, to make them grow into a large ingot (which then gets sliced into thin pieces). This is why they’re circular - can’t spin a square shape.
Edit: Bit more detail on the method can be read here — https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czochralski_method
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WhiteLeaff
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No. They can't, the multiple failures have made the debt grow too much.
MonicaPython2
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DanteSmith
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Apparently, the only and inevitable way to keep moving forward...
With the infusion of $$$ from the government they are fine for a while longer. Next gen is the make or break for them (especially on the server side where the money is at)
WhiteLeaff
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Yeah, but It's not like they can keep failing indefinitely. Fabs burn a lot of capital. They will inevitably need to make difficult choices.
msroadkill612
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An excellent of job tying together the many threads of a; complex, vital & fundamental architecture.
AMD's ascendance from the brink of bankruptcy competing in Intel's near monopoly, to the current situation, was largely due to their bold gamble with chiplets (they certainly had no process advantage with early Zen, & certainly had a latency disadvantage). It has been one of the great biz sagas of all time.
You compare AMD's Fabric & Intel's Tiles impartially, & as if they are contemporaries. Objectively AMD has achieved wonders since 2017, & Intel still dont have a viable Tile desktop.
It seems very possible that AMD IP has forced Intel into a suboptimal design.
AMD's ascendance from the brink of bankruptcy competing in Intel's near monopoly, to the current situation, was largely due to their bold gamble with chiplets (they certainly had no process advantage with early Zen, & certainly had a latency disadvantage). It has been one of the great biz sagas of all time.
You compare AMD's Fabric & Intel's Tiles impartially, & as if they are contemporaries. Objectively AMD has achieved wonders since 2017, & Intel still dont have a viable Tile desktop.
It seems very possible that AMD IP has forced Intel into a suboptimal design.
Very informative and interesting!! Thanks , enjoyed this topic!
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