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By yyiiyyii · 55 replies
Apr 4, 2007
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  1. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,273

    That's true cfit, we will run out of alot of resources but not in the next 10-20 years but more likely a few hundred ( Except for Oil, that might run out sooner )

    Plus we dont need oil, we could always use bikes like they do in the rest of the world...
  2. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    Didn't ask you..just simply got confused on what you mean. This whole thread consisted of people talking about hydrogen fuel..and then you say "hydro", not saying that is bad, just saying i got confused.

    Either way..as i said.......alreadyy

  3. cfitzarl

    cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,975   +9

    I say we close this thread before it goes out of control :( .
  4. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    There is no reason to close this thread
  5. yyiiyyii

    yyiiyyii TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 105

    i hope we run out of oil very soon, so we can start to use something better and cleaner. Like Hydrogen. Also if every car uses it they will find cheaper ways to make it.
  6. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,090

    Maybe you should think about that statement. What would all the machinery in the factories run on as a lubricant.....water? Besides I read somewhere that they (scientist) estimates that there is enough oil reserves in the US, Gulf of Mexico and in Canada to supply us for the next 200 years. And I have probably not thought enough about the following statement either but here goes. I think we should pull our troops out or Iraq and stop buying oil from them. Let them kill each other, and us leave them be! At first I supported the war but as time goes on, it seems like it will never end.

    just my .02
  7. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    Although i completely agree i think we should refrain from turning this political..b/c thats when it turns ugly.
  8. cfitzarl

    cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,975   +9

    That's why I said we should close this. As for what halo71 said....you obviously haven't done your homework with Iraq....only a small portion of the country's populous are insurgents. Otherwise, they are regular human beings.
  9. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    If we closed every thread that turned political we would be closing a lot of threads. Lets get back on onto the initial topic instead of turning this towards the war
  10. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,443   +38

    Nah renewable energy sources are not for everyone. I mean, would you care to use an electric car that cost you $100 a month to refuel (or charge or whatever), when you could have a gasoline-powered one that cost $50 for the same thing in comparison? I mean, not everyone's got the cash to be environmentally friendly, even if they want to be.
    Look at Greenpeace, they keep crying about the most absurd things. Like GM food for example. They raised such a hue and cry about it, slyly concealing one (among many others) fact that GM food helps farmers grow better crops with lesser pesticides used on them, which reduces the need to grow so-called "organic crops". If all that funding were to go into research for new fuel sources wouldn't it be utilized better?
  11. mikescorpio81

    mikescorpio81 TS Rookie Posts: 293

    While we're on the "Save the world" topic here, I though I'd share something I watch recently that blew my mind!

    There is a fish farmer in the States somewhere breeding fish at an alarming rate. He believes he could feed the world on his fish! They breed at such a rapid rate that he could wipe out world hunger.
    Problem is though that no one will sponsor him ... Government or private. So his plans have hit a wall.

    I think he's a Saint! Anyhoo ...

    What we need: Morals
    What we want: Justice
    What we pay for: Everything! Even the wicked in prisons! Crazy ... how much is a bullet??
  12. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    Prison is a joke. Someone who sells drugs gets more time in prison then someone who killed someone. Half the problem is that we are incarcerating people for marijuana related "crimes". Don't think there is such thing. Gawd..I'm horrible with staying on topic..

    If you really think we should kill everyone in prison, then i would love to see if you were still saying that when you are in that position.
  13. mikescorpio81

    mikescorpio81 TS Rookie Posts: 293

    Not that I am Mr Perfect by any means, but prison is somewhere I wouldn't let myself end up. My parents raised me to respect others. If all parents did their job by raising children with morals, compassion and a general goodwilled nature, we wouldn't pay as much tax to keep criminals comfortable ... there would be less people incarcerated in theory. Parents and (these days) T.V is the biggest influence over any child.

    To those who seek to destroy society by being generally wicked or sinful deserve not to be among us, and the rest of society shouldn't be burdened with footing the bill! Would you committ a crime knowing that you may die for it? I wouldn't!

    Oh, and I think drug dealers are inadvertently responsible for crimes committed by drug users.
  14. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 937

    But the crimes committed by drug users aren't punished as greatly as the drug dealers them selves. My father was killed by someone on soma's (tranquilizers)..the guy got 15 years...Now, my uncle is in prison for dealing cocaine in florida, he got 35 without parole.

    I' m sorry, what i was trying to imply by that, was, what if you where innocent??

    I heard of a case, where a man stole video tapes from walmart, 3 christmas in a row, to have something under the christmas tree for his family. Well, under California's 3 strikes and your out, he was put in jail for life. Yeah, the man was stupid too steal in the first place..but life in prison?? I' m sorry, but i think there is something wrong here. Oh yeh..did i mention he was black?
  15. IBN

    IBN TS Guru Posts: 487

    Maybe we should just give them negative karma points?

    EDIT: With regards to the first post, there is no need to worry about plant life. If anything the worlds plant life will thrive due to the increased levels of CO2.

    I think there are much bigger greater things than global warming. Such as morality, justice etc. Like in the above post by twite. Is that fair? No.
  16. Chimworth

    Chimworth TS Rookie Posts: 19

    This is a major issue that keeps us from going "green". Most people won't pay the extra money for any given item just because it is better for the environment. They will calculate the savings from use-cost to see if it will pay for the extra item-cost which is always like years and years and never do it. (all though I think anyone with a hummer or navigator can afford 2 hybrid civics)

    The sad thing is that when we continue to shop this way they will continue to make them that way. Does anyone think that if all of us refused to buy inefficient products that they would just disappear? I think they would start producing eco-friendly anythings at an alarming rate!

    But I also think this, we have all done this too, but if there is something(reasonable) that you really want you find a way to get it. You really can't come up with the extra 200.00$ to get the eco washing machine instead? Even waiting a couple more weeks or whatever?

    You will know when you ask yourself, because you are the only person that you can't hide true feelings of guilt from. Live with your decisions and don't blame the rest of the world on how you justify doing the wrong thing.
  17. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,742   +419

    Come on IBN, you've complained (in a roundabout way) in at least 2 threads now in Meeting Spot about Karma. There is a thread in Site Comments all about it post there. Everyone already knows you are against it, ignore it or PM Julio, but don't keep littering threads about it.

    Now with that out of the way - The fish thing even if it were true, it comes at a price, there would be incredible water pollution from live fish waste, and you have to feed the fish, they don't just grow by drinking water. All of that food then has to come from animal byproducts and/or crops, the efficiency rate of converting fish food into fish mass for people to eat is pretty low, might as well feed the humans the crops and animal byproducts.

    As for the drug dealers, I imagine they get punished pretty hard with the thought that if you remove the dealer you may remove some users. The problem with drug users is once you become addicted to meth, heroin, coke you run a high risk of becoming a screwup in society - losing your job may be a start, which then you aren't paying taxes, and have no legitimate source of income. Then how do you pay for the drugs, crime. It may be false logic to think removing the dealer eliminates the users, but thats how the lawmakers see it. There is also a lot of law breaking going on to get the drugs to the dealer.
  18. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 5,837   +6

    As for the fish.. What would you feed to the fish? Used tires?

    Meat is very inefficient in the sense that you need a lot more of food to feed that critter than you would ever get from eating the thing later on. Animals are not a way to save the world from hunger.

    Yes, meat is good if you want to convert grass to something that humans can eat, but then you might as well grow rice and soy in place of that grassland. Any energy conversion step will waste a whole lot of it and you get much more out of sun->plant->food than sun->plant->animal->food.
  19. IBN

    IBN TS Guru Posts: 487

    If the richest nations donated 1% of their income there would be more than enough (in fact there would be a surplus) to provide food, water, medicine and education for all the third world countries.

    The fact is that they simply dont want to do it.
  20. Chimworth

    Chimworth TS Rookie Posts: 19

    Would natural resources deplete so rapidly if the human population wasn't so large? There is your source for all of the problems... why does everything have to expand and grow so much?
  21. mikescorpio81

    mikescorpio81 TS Rookie Posts: 293

    I agree Nodsu; rice would be the way to go.

    But you really should check out that doco I saw ... genetically bred fish that grow at an alarming rate and it wasn't really costing him much in feeding them and whatnot.

    Good on him for trying! He's on the right track :)
  22. yyiiyyii

    yyiiyyii TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 105

    are u sure about this fact it sounds very made up. a fact like should be posted with proof.

    I could say that rich countries already donate 2% if or something. Of course i dont know how much they donate.

    I do know the America gives billions of dollars to poorer countires.

    Also If u want to donate some of the money u have to a poor country then feel free to do so. It is good to lead by example i think

    Also if u do want to donate money to a charity then check out the percent the charity gives at http://www.bbb.org
    They should give at least 80% to there cause
  23. chamillitarysk8

    chamillitarysk8 TS Booster Posts: 128

    ok look antimatter is the same mass as the mater used to create it and as of now we can create a very very very tiny amount of antimatter for more info look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter
  24. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 5,837   +6

    Read it in detail?

  25. IBN

    IBN TS Guru Posts: 487

    Its not made up at all. These inferences are derived from the UN Development Reports. Plus the main reason hindering the development of the Third World is debt. So it has to be donations not loans.

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