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Where do viruses come from?

By strategic · 67 replies
Aug 18, 2009
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  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    The Plural of Spam is........

    Having multiple Email accounts.

    Actually, in the context of Email distribution, "spam",is both an adjective and a verb. So, this means that spam, when used as an adjective, doesn't have a plural, but rather the associated noun and its verb would be singular or plural. IE, the singular, "that email is spam", or the plural, "those emails are spam".

    As a verb, the infinitive form would be, "to spam", and its conjugations would follow normal English conventions;

    Present tense; I spam; you spam; they spam; he,she, or it spams.

    Past participle; spammed

    Progressive tense or present participle; "spamming"

    For instance, the future perfect, they "will have been spammed" as of tomorrow.

    I'm still working on an example of the subjunctive pluperfect.

    While this list is incomplete, I hope that it serves as a guide for your future endeavors in utilizing the word "spam" to its fullest potential.

    As always, I am glad to contribute any effort necessary to maintain the integrety of the English language, and to prevent it being further mutilated by contemporary culture.
  2. willowtheblue

    willowtheblue TS Rookie

    Actually, it was in the context of food.
  3. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    Actually then, there is no plural.

    As always, the final arbiter of this would likely be "The Scrabble Dictionary", wherein they always offer a plural for words that are rarely, if ever, pluralized.

    So, therein may lie your salvation in this supercilious quest.
  4. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,448   +145

  5. bobcat

    bobcat TechSpot Paladin Posts: 688   +67

    Actually, you can experience spam in grandiose multiplicity with just one email account.

    So, I’d say the plural of spam is...posting your email anywhere on the web.
    ...I correct that also, because it’s too restrictive: The plural of spam is...creating an email account.

    To have the plural of spam in the context of food, you have to be very hungry.

    Sadly, this noble aim may well be the definition of “fighting a losing battle”.

    Just give the language mutilating contemporary culture a little more time.
  6. Bobbye

    Bobbye Helper on the Fringe Posts: 16,334   +36

    Strategic, I guess I'm a spoiled sport, but I'm going to pull this back on topic.

    I do not think ALL viruses come from the companies that have the software programs to find, prevent or fix them. But I do think there is a strong possibility that at least some do.

    Kind of like this: I think the tobacco companies are behind the nicotine patches and 'other' non-smoking paraphernalia. I think pharmaceutical companies are behind some of the illnesses or 'conditions' we take their pills for.

    I am not very trustful in this real world. The bottom line is money- make it the honest way or create another way. So you round your question up> I think there is a very strong possibility that 'some' software companies are behind 'some' of the malware they write software for.

    Very little is 'all' or 'none' anymore!
  7. strategic

    strategic TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,020

    Wow Bobbye, your reply is almost as if I wrote it myself!
    As for the pharmacists, that's another one, especially when the doctors get a cut of the profits when they eagerly fill out prescriptions. Life is all about revenue... the crooked way. Even the corner mechanic can't do everything on your car anymore because the manufacturer's make them that way. That is why it's hard to believe the viruses would be different, they are all part of the same crowd.
  8. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    Given that it's almost always easier to extract organic compounds than it is to synthesize them, that vitamin B-3 is "Nicotinic acid", and the fact that Nicotine is also an extremely strong insecticide, I'd say this observation is pretty much a slam dunk.

    Given the concept of "RLS",(restless leg syndrome), I'd say that they actually fabricate them.

    I'd think that victimized software houses packing malware in with their pirated software at places such as "Limewire", would make a lot of sense in a "street justice" sort of way.
  9. strategic

    strategic TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,020

    Hey Captain!
    I haven't seen you around in a while...
  10. Bobbye

    Bobbye Helper on the Fringe Posts: 16,334   +36

    So: to sum it up: Do the "good guys" do "bad" things to promote use of their "good" products and services.

    Captain, I would not put RLS syndrome in this discussion. It is a real, neurological disorder. Some drug cause side effects, which may be naturally real because of their chemical makeup. It would be a good discussion for a thread not related to computer viruses to explore whether something can be chemically added purposely to cause a side effect like RLS, which would require a drug to control.

    Cause and effect covers a lot of territory. What happens on our computer systems can be a 'cause from' an intentional, malicious intent like a virus or Worm or Trojan and the effect could be requiring the use of software from the actual cause itself!

    Now that's a hard one to keep straight!
  11. T77

    T77 TS Enthusiast Posts: 300   +6

    with due respect to you captaincranky,i think u should have not used the phrase "south asian slum".it hurts as i am a south Asian . i dont think singapore is a slum.

    according to me some people with all the knowledge about coding use their talent in the wrong direction just for the money.money is the root cause.
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    Well, With All Due Respect From Me as Well......

    Well, if you had read this entire thread instead of fixating on my one individual comment, you'd already know that I was informed that Singapore is not one of them. So, I retracted that particular city, then nominated Shanghai, China as it's successor. So, by virtue of this update, are you now here to tell me that Shanghai doesn't have slums, Southeast Asia doesn't have slums, or that you merely have tender feelings?
    I suppose you'd like to tell me that there are no slums in Cambodia, Burma (oops "Myanmar"), India, Thailand, or Viet Nam either. In which case I suggest putting you head up your a**, whereby you won't be able to see them, and I won't be able to further offend you.

    In any event, "Melissa" was written by a seventeen year old in the USA. That was also mentioned prior to this.

    Also, the USA has many slums, and you won't hurt my feelings if you mention it. Besides, it seems most of the Heroine is coming to this country from Afghanistan nowadays, thus we don't need your skag as much as we used to, in furtherance our own slum building projects.

    Back on track,
    Sociopathy and greed don't really adhere to any particular class, race, creed ,religion, national origin, social caste, or monetary status.

    Egomaniacs write viruses because they have the need to feel important, and show other people how important they are. Sort of like politicians, but without the baby kissing.

    Thieves write malware, (or have malware written for then), so that they can use it to steal from you. The term "theives", is sort of the giveaway there.
  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    One Pill Makes You Larger, One Pill Makes You Small....

    And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.....! That little nugget brought to you by "The Jefferson Airplane", about 40 years ago.......
    I suppose that Norton AV makes a strong case for this, as it does seem that the only infection Norton might be able to prevent is an infection created by Symantec for that purpose. But then, one supposes the same observation could be made about any version of IE.

    Sadly I would.
    This is even paranoid by my very disturbed standards, which by the way, almost makes it possible.

    But, trust me, anti-psychotic medications have plenty of naturally occurring side effects. If you can pull yourself from the things that you absolutely need, (cell phone, text messaging, game boy and computer games), try googling "Thorazine Shuffle"!

    The reason none of us can afford health care, is the result of an entire chain of greedy individuals in the entire health care process. The drug companies being one of the most profitable links. That said, what would be the point of NOT bilking another hundred bucks or so a month from the insurance companies to treat your "RLS"

    Once upon a time, we waged wars >>without an all volunteer army<<<<! For example World War 2. People came back from that war suffering from "shell shock". Nobody was treated for it. You were expected to reintegrate yourself back into society and make the best of it.

    Now, in our more "enlightened" age, we know that this is "PTSD", and everybody has to be treated for it, at taxpayers expense, and health care's profit.

    So, before you start spouting a bunch of nonsense about how "real" "RLS" is, you might want to consider how real "MRSA" and "HIV Aids" are, and how efforts and treasure might be more aptly applied to those issues, rather than stopping someone's twitchy leg.

    In other words, you can't develop a new antibiotic or vaccine, while you're tied up doing other nonsense research.

    We live in an age where everyone has lost the ability to differentiate between want and need. I need a PS3, I need $100.00 sneakers, I need a Game Boy, I need a cell phone, but most of all, I need a bigger SUV than my neighbor.

    Very well then, I suggest that adventurous RLS "sufferers" take your Iphone, jump in your SUV, and play games while running your mouth on the phone on I95 at 70MPH, maybe that will be enough to take your mind off your leg twitching.

    In all seriousness though, since nobody seems to have the ability to stop running their yap on a cell phone, maybe we should have that declared a disease, and turn all our resources toward developing a drug to stop that. It's sort of the same principle now that I think about it.

    Gee, I sorry, did I go off topic?
  14. Bobbye

    Bobbye Helper on the Fringe Posts: 16,334   +36

    Well, Captain, I guess you've personally come up against a lot of this. That does give one a strong attitude. Is that where the 'cranky' comes from?

    And I've already had the chance to consider how real MRSA is.

    I will now end my part on this thread. My original intent was to get it back on topic, but I see that didn't last very long.
  15. strategic

    strategic TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,020

    Oh come on now Bobbye, don't be so hard on the captain... I kinda like his posts!
    After all, that's why I started this thread in the "Chat and Socialize" forum. All I was after was 'opinion', I don't see anythying wrong here.
  16. superty12

    superty12 TS Enthusiast Posts: 413


    I concur. And these posts have gone way off topic.
  17. strategic

    strategic TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,020

    That's why this is the "Chat and Socialize" forum and not the "Virus and Malware" forum, it's allowed to go off topic.
  18. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,759   +2,431

    Well Soup, I hate to bring this up, but quoting Tedster and observing that this thread has gone off topic isn't exactly what might be considered worthwhile participation.

    Mentioning that the thread is off topic is non-contributory, and accordingly off topic.

    Most of this nonsense could be fodder for dialog in a Shirley Temple movie. "Well I think BAD, BAD men make BAD, BAD software." There, there now dear, sleep tight, Symantec will take away all your bad dreams. (Caps added as stage directions).

    What has me completely stumped, is how anybody presumes a one line answer can even begin to explain the complex interplay of human psychology, motivation and the resultant computer programing.

    I suppose that if you add enough one line answers together, it will eventually scratch the surface.

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