which laptop company is best

By jujainlapet ยท 91 replies
Mar 20, 2007
  1. W35T0N

    W35T0N TS Rookie Posts: 19

    Dell! why would you want to buy a laptop from a company who cant even give you a decent warranty in the price, in my opinion you should buy a laptop that alreday has a 2 or 3 year warranty as standard it doesnt cost any more then most laptops and is less problems then a dell.

    i use an ASUS A6 Series and have sold around about 80 of them and touchwood only 1 ever had a problem and that was a customer spilt coffee in the keyboard and they still replaced the keyboard free of charge.
  2. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    I'm into laptops now much more than fixed equipment. I always look for upgrade potential, preferring to go for a cheaper machine that can have the RAM and HDD upgraded, as opposed to something too flash or too expensive.

    My own personal choice is a Thinkpad, they have superior build quality, compatibility and are highly portable. However, one may have many, differing requirements in a laptop, so I suggest checking out not just build quality but battery life, weight, size, screen quality, etc.

    www.notebookreview.com is a good site.

    Some of my fav laptops:

    Anthing Alienware.

    The mighty Thinkpad.

    Some of Samsung's designs are totally funky!

    Or something a bit more experimental?
  3. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,090

    Phant, what is that in your last picture? I am into gadget a lot! lol.... I have a few PDA's laying about the house. And was curious about that thing you got there! :D
  4. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    Well, its not mine.. but that's an OQO. Its somewhere between a PDA and a laptop, but its closer to a laptop.


    1.5 GHz VIA C7M ULV

    Operating Systems
    Windows Vista Capable
    Windows XP Professional
    Windows XP Tablet PC Edition

    Chipset VIA VX700

    30 GB / 60 GB hard drive 4200 rpm

    Memory 1 GB DDR2, 533 MHz

    Display Size 5-inches


    800 x 480

    Zoom: 1000 x 600, 1200 x 720

    Wireless & Networking

    EV-DO Integrated

    802.11 abg WiFi

    Bluetooth Technology with EDR

    Integrated antennas


    Audio: 3.5mm line out/line in

    Video out: HDMI port

    1 USB 2.0

    Battery Lithium-ion polymer 3 hours

    Size 5.6-inches x 3.3-inches x 1.0-inch

    Weight Under 1.0 pound

    Warranty 1 year

    Oh, and out of all of those, I actually ONLY recommend you buy the Thinkpad, but the rest are quite fun.
  5. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,090

    sheeeeit......I looked at the price! Nevermind, don't think I will be picking one of those up!! lol...
  6. hamas123

    hamas123 TS Maniac Posts: 482

    I am going to use the laptop for a daily use,not really every day but about 5 times a week.
    I'm not going to take the laptop around with me unless i have to.
  7. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    What are the main activities? If its just office stuff, you might as well just go for the cheapest one you can find.
  8. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +10

    Budget is always the issue with a good laptop. A quality used laptop is better than a new cheap one.
    It is wise to get a model that is made in huge numbers, so there will parts availability for a long time. Parts become the greatest difficulty on cheap computers. When you are considering a new laptop, search eBay for parts on the company's other models. Search the manufacturer web site or other sites that sell parts or do repairs to see what prices and availability. Does the company sell parts for its laptop after the warranty expires? Most do not.
    Some thoughts that come from our experience repairing laptops and portables since the old "Suitcase Compaq in 1988" and 2000 units since then:
    A low priced laptop will fail more frequently and will be more expensive to repair.
    Reliability is more important that fast performance.
    The screen will fail, sooner or later, and likely sooner, in a low priced laptop
    A used Thinkpad is better than most new ones from other sources.
    No laptop company makes a good laptop for gaming that will last a long time. Yet. Gaming nearly always shortens the life of a laptop. If you need a gaming laptop, be sure it has plenty of cooling fans (at least 3) and large air channels to move cool air in and hot air out.
    127 laptop companies have gone belly-up.
    Seven companies make most of the laptops sold in the world. HP, Compaq, Toshiba, Winbook, Gateway, eMachines, and all no-name laptops are all made by the same companies.
    Expensive laptops have better parts and better cooling
    The least expensive laptops of any manufacturer are compromised in
    Some laptops are nearly always good if you buy: IBM/Lenovo, full featured HP, full featured Gateway, most Dell Latitudes, full featured Dell Inspirons, full featured Toshiba's.
    Low priced laptops have cheap parts... cheaper plastic, poor screens, bad backlights, unreliable inverters, inadequate cooling, poor heat sinks, inadequate cooling air channels, poor protection from impact or vibration, awful keyboards that wear out early or keys that break, poor on-board mouse or touch screen, weak RJ-45 sockes, weak modem sockets, optical drives that fail early, cheap third-tier memory, some have poor hard drives such as Tri-gem, although not many have bad hard drives, bad power switches that fail early and often, poor components for handling internet and wireless.
    For long-term reliability and less-expensive repair, avoid no-name machines. Avoid Acer, Sony Vaio, Toshiba, eMachines, Compaq, low-priced Dells, store brands, low-priced Gateways, low priced Lenovo, Winbook, any super thin laptop, Alienware, Winbook, any laptop that has only one cooling fan, any laptop limited to a one-year warranty that does not sell a warranty extension.
    People who take care of their laptops and keep the air channels clean of hair and dust have good luck. People who don't take care of their laptops have bad luck.
    Buy the ones that Navy Seals or the US Foreign service buy.
    Impact while carrying laptops is the number two failure cause, next to poorly made screens and optical drives. Be sure you have a very well padded carrying case of some kind. Vibration is probably next.
    A good cleaning with Dust Off or other difluoroethane gas canned air every four months is a smart move. A disassembly and cleaning every year is also smart. Replace the cpu fan every 18 to 24 months.
    If you buy a low priced, cheap-processor laptop, you are almost guaranteed early failure of optical drive, screen, and heat-related problems on other components.
    Small laptops fail more frequently than large ones of the same brand.
    Everybody knows somebody who has had great luck with a bad brand or a bad model. Just remember, you make your own luck by selecting well.
    If your data is valuable, get a valuable computer.
  9. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    I bought a cheap Acer once. It performed well, but the build quality was terrible. It actually creaked under its own weight. Felt like it was going to fall apart in my hands if I turned it over. On the underside, important circuit board was practically exposed.

    Now, comparing that to my current Thinkpad is like night and day. The Thinkpad is a brick - a tank. Man, there's like videos on youtube of people running over Thinkpads in their car, pouring water on them, etc, and they still work!!!! Thinkpads are built to take a kicking. If you are moving around, using your computer all over the place, then you definately want a Thinkpad.

    I have a Thinkpad T42 and a Thinkpad R51e. The battery, hard drive, keyboard are interchangeable between them. You can pick up a single core Thinkpad for quite little, like the 14" Thinkpad T43. If its not for games, but for work, you will find the Thinkpad has it won. Also, my Thinkpad can play some games not too bad, maybe have to turn the resolution down. Gaming is not my key focus these days, and I have a dedicated multimedia machine. But for email, coding, surfing, cracking, etc I'll take a Thinkpad any day.
  10. Prophet7

    Prophet7 TS Rookie

    I most definitely agree on that point, the ASUS A6 Series (A6R, A6R-P, etc.)
    were an extremely good Laptop, reasonably priced without being cheap, everything built in, Bluetooth, Wireless, Webcam & Mic. Depending on the exact Model usually a Gig of DDR2 RAM, if not, extremely easy to upgrade, and ASUS have Local Service Centre's everywhere.
    They usually come with a Bag and Laptop Mouse.

    I sold heaps of them, and not a single customer complaint.

    Pity they are no longer available, unless there is still old stock being sold at some places. I could sell at least 10 more if I could still get my hands on them, including one for myself.

    Still, ASUS, :)
    The Thinkpad's are good too, though I'd personally still prefer ASUS.
  11. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 11,984   +72

    Any other Asus models you recommend?
  12. Prophet7

    Prophet7 TS Rookie

    The ASUS M9V is a particularly good Model with a Variety of features. There are some good Notebooks in the A3 Series aswell eg. A3Ac. The new U5A offers High Speed Bluetooth and excellent colour.
    Keep in mind nearly all new Laptop's come with Windows Vista (like it or not), these three have Windows Vista Business, whereas the A6R's and the like came with either Windows XP Home or Professional.
    You might even still be able to get an A6R or A6R-P in your area of the world.

    All-in-all it comes down to your personal needs in a Notebook Computer.
    Check-out this site http://usa.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=Notebooks and you will see that the Range is enormous for purpose specific Notebooks. Whether for the traveller, a multimedia station, graphic artist, gaming, etc.
    As other people have said in this thread, it's all about doing your homework so that you pick the laptop that is right for you.



    Also if it is for a business notebook, I love the S6 Series of Laptops with Wireless-N.
  13. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,475   +126

    Wow a lot of you are really into this....

    I've own:

    CTX (maker of monitors go into laptops in 90s and failed)
    Toshiba both S-Pro and Tecra Series (both has hold up and still work)
    DELL (I've repaired them but found them to be just junk after the 3rd year)
    HP/COMPAQ (newer ones with AMD X64 or Mobile are very good)
    SONY (like most of their stuff just have to cross your fingers and hope)
    GATEWAY (okay)
    SABER (okay)
    Pansonic (okay)
    ACER (okay)
    Clone names (just of to know what you're getting into)
  14. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,090

    Dang, never knew CTX made laptops! Learn something new everyday!
  15. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +10

    I forgot about the CTX. One of the few "noname" laptops we can recommend... CTX makes a lot of good low-priced stuff.
    Who makes Saber. We have not seen any of those in our shop.
    What do you mean by "okay".
    Toshiba: good unit but repairs take a very long time under warranty, and parts are impossible to get since Toshiba farmed out its repair support.
    Sony: Just the worst laptops for reliability that we know, and sadly among the most expensive... parts not available after warranty expires. Poor to very poor cooling, bad screens, bad inverters.
    Acer is a good manufacturer, and makes laptops for other companies. There are just be problems getting replacmengt parts.
    HP and Compaq are just way too different to lump together. The cheap Compaqs are failure prone but at least parts are available. The upper half of the HP line are superb computers for laptops, with lots of cooling fans and rugged builds. Compaq upper half are getting better.
    Panasonic laptops vary so much from model to model that I assume they are not making their own.
    Dell is a mystery: We have a LOT of them and use them as loaners while working on their owner's original Dell. Most Latitudes are pretty good. Most of their Inspirons in the top half of their marketing range are excellent. Any Dell in the bottom half of their price range are likely to be junk... and are one of the reasons why Dell is restructuring now. Dell does not make their own laptops... But Dell's are better than Sony, Compaq, and eMachines by a long shot.
    Toshiba: I love em. Have several Tecra's and Satellites we use as loaners and renters. But their parts and repair system has fallen apart in the US.
    Gateway makes some of the best laptops for the money. Their inexpensive laptops are much better than Dell, HP, and Compaq. Their expensive ones are superb.
    None of these match IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T-series.
    My bias is a big one, because we only see failed laptops that have come into our shops for repairs over the past 16 years.
    All of these are better than no-name or store brands, however.
  16. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 11,984   +72

    raybay, always appreciate your posts. Why is it then that so many people dis Gateway? I am looking for a decent mid-range laptop for my daughter for strickly college work. My budget is $800.

    Also, I've been looking at Lenovo 3000 N100 series but people seem to dis those as well, i.e., cheaply made.

  17. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +10

    The Lenovo 3000 is not one of their best machines. If your daughter will accept a refurbished machine, the IBM Lenovo T-41, T-42, and T43 are wonderful machines in that price range from about $475 to $800.
    Nothing wrong with a Dell, Gateway, or HP in their upper half of their model range either, as refurbs.
    I don't sell them but can better advise you if you email me at canyonlands@gmail.com... this is probably not appropriate on this forum.
  18. boa1

    boa1 TS Rookie

    bang for your buck

    ThinkPads are a good choice right now. 400.00 dollars off T-60 series. As far as black being ugly, black will always be the new black. If you are in a coffee shop doing homework and you are using your ThinkPad people do notice what you have and it is a quaility notebook to say the least.:cool:
  19. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    Buy the Lenovo Thinkpad as opposed to the Lenovo range. The Thinkpad has a better construction. If possible, go for a T series if your budget allows it, as the R series is the budget one and the build quality, although good, is not as good as the T series, which is pretty robust. There is also the Z series which includes a Titanium covered Thinkpad which is also very nice.





    That machine has fantastic upgrade potential.... you can get some pretty nice SATA drives for it - Seagate does a 160GB one - and the RAM is upgradable to 4GB I believe.
  20. hamas123

    hamas123 TS Maniac Posts: 482

    Which Acer Was It. My Dad Has An Acer Travelmate 2428awxmi.he Might Buy Another One So I Could Keep The Acer
  21. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,388

    I'm not sure why people think Thinkpads are so awesome, the ones I've used (T60's) aren't the greatest IMO. I didn't think the build quality was very good for their reputation. Several panels were kinda loose and could rattle, and I didn't like the way it hinged(exposed video cable, too much pressure required to open). I also don't like the fact that they won't put a decent graphics card in any of the Thinkpads. They also are overpriced. I will say the X60 seemed pretty cool, but I didn't get to actually use it, so I can't comment too much. I also dislike that Thinkpads are manufactured by a communist company.

    If I was getting a laptop, I'd get a macbook pro and dual boot os x and vista. I'm much more impressed with the macbook pro's I've used than with any thinkpad. They are overpriced, but then again, so are thinkpads, and at least the macbook pro has a x1600pro, instead of gma or x1300's. The MBP keys light up(not just a led lamp shining down like the Thinkpads), and it has the nice magnetic power connector, so no more broken dc in jacks.
  22. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,443   +38

    I take it you mean China? Most of the hardware we use today,including the iPod, are made there.
  23. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +10

    Mexico, Hungary, Korea, Singapore, China, Philippines, India... anywhere the labor is cheap
  24. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 5,734   +8

    To be a technologist (and dare I say it, hacker) you have to try to move above these kinds of things. Forget about politics - unless its standing in the way of technological progress, or its stopping someone from getting their basic human technological rights. Now, actually you could in fact say that China comes under this heading, as they have massive firewalls that stop people in China from seeing things that the government does not want them to see on the Net. And that's bad. But its not a reason to not buy their machines, unless they start to implant them with listening devices or something.... just my opinion.
  25. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,388

    I know it's not a big deal, since I buy stuff that's made in China all the time, but I prefer to support American compaines if I can. I laugh when people say they "don't buy anything from China," since it's almost impossible not to. At least Apple is an American company(unlike Lenovo), even though Apple (and many others) outsource production to China. When IBM outsourced to China before Lenovo, took over, at least IBM was an American company.
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