Whistleblower Edward Snowden calls Nvidia's RTX 5000 series a crime against consumers, blasts paltry VRAM

[kiwigraeme]

First off who cares what Edward Snowden has to say. Secondly, yes the rtx 5000 series are not a great deal. Guess what...dont buy the dam things. No one is making you buy bad products

except F tier product for S tier prices is such a good quote and easily memorable .
Probably not original , too lazy to google.
I hope as a meme it goes viral for Nvidia

Nvidia F tier products for S tier prices"

yes it's not 100% true, but didn't stop corps or politicians says BS or outright lies

 

[BogdanR]

The real challenge is getting consumers to buy.

Nvidia has built a powerhouse brand. There are plenty of reasons for their success, but let’s be honest, people aren’t ditching them for Intel or AMD. Gamers talk a big game about switching, but when it comes down to it, they rarely do, and probably never will.

The machine keeps being fed, and its appetite grows stronger every year.

Well I switched from a 1080 to a 6800 without ever saying a word. Until now, that is
Great card! I’m eyeing the new 9070XT or a 7900XT if the first ends up being slower than the latter.

 

[BogdanR]

If someone has a car worth around $10,000 and receives two offers to sell it - one for $30,000 and the other for $8,000 - I don’t know anyone who would not sell it to the person offering $30,000. It’s not about greed; the “problem” is that Nvidia makes such good products that there is a lot of demand, making them expensive. It’s not like Apple, which is expensive by default; Nvidia is expensive because their products are good and in high demand.
Given that Nvidia doesn’t have its own fabs, if we have to choose where the money will go - whether to the company that brings innovation or to some random people who try to resell at higher prices - I think it is better to fund the innovation.

I had a good laugh, thank you!

 

[Mr Majestyk]

I'll bet a ton of money, a lot of people here whining about Nvidia will still never buy AMD and put their money where their mouth is come the 9070(XT) launch.

 

[toooooot]

I'll bet a ton of money, a lot of people here whining about Nvidia will still never buy AMD and put their money where their mouth is come the 9070(XT) launch.

I would not, but not for the reason other people would not, most likely.
I purchased a flagman card from AMD long time ago. It was a lot of money for me.
I was happy with its performance until it died just after 2-year warranty ran out.
Things I do not do after that issue: buy graphic cards with 2 year warranty, and buy AMD GPUs.
I realized fairly late how hot my video cards were in those cheap cases I owned for years.
Well, Nvidia cards all survived that. It matters. It matters when you can trust a brand.
And no matter if I spend 500 bucks or 1000, I want to feel confident that this product will not fail me. For me to switch, Nvidia needs to release very poor-quality cards failing during and after 3 year warranty.

 

[manowar51]

Im confused. Can anyone explain to me why we are expecting lower prices and a higher generational improvement from Nvidia? Who are operating without any competition, whose cards get scalped the moment they go on sale? Can someone explain why Nvidia should have even bothered releasing them in the first place?

Personally, I think its all a massive case of entitlement amongst the tech community. And the cards themselves are literally the fastest GPUs on the planet. The reviewers did their job, they are literally the best graphics cards you can buy.

 

[SRB]

I would not, but not for the reason other people would not, most likely.
I purchased a flagman card from AMD long time ago. It was a lot of money for me.
I was happy with its performance until it died just after 2-year warranty ran out.
Things I do not do after that issue: buy graphic cards with 2 year warranty, and buy AMD GPUs.
I realized fairly late how hot my video cards were in those cheap cases I owned for years.
Well, Nvidia cards all survived that. It matters. It matters when you can trust a brand.
And no matter if I spend 500 bucks or 1000, I want to feel confident that this product will not fail me. For me to switch, Nvidia needs to release very poor-quality cards failing during and after 3 year warranty.

Not to put too fine a point on this, but you are one of the best examples of an Nvidia fanboy! Let me see if I have this straight: A long long time ago, you bought an AMD graphics card (or was is ATI before AMD bought them?), probably made by a partner rather than AMD (ATI) itself, and therefore, they are not and never will be capable of building a reliable graphics card again.

Meanwhile, Nvidia (partners?), have built great cards, space heaters, poor performers, and lets not forget bumpgate, and they can do no wrong?

You are the perfect blind consumer that every company hopes to find.

No company does everything right forever, I have owned cards by Nvidia, AMD, S3, and probably some I've forgotten about. I started buying AMD cards when Nvidia tried to force companies to make their premiere gaming brands exclusive to Nvida and lock AMD cards out. I just haven't been able to justify the Nvidia tax they charge for the extra performance. Yes they are faster (most of the time), but for how much? My current water cooled 7900xtx works just fine.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Been buying cards since the days of Riva TNT2 and Voodoo. But I will never again buy a new Nvidia product. Have a GTX 1070, 2070S, 2080S, 5700XT and 6700XT. All used. AMD and/or used cards forever. With Nvidia bilking the AI space for obscene profits, it's not like they care, anyways. In fact, this generation of cards show just how little they care.

 

[Loadedaxe]

WHY? I've been a PC gamer for almost 40 years. I've owned AMD and Nvidia and have never had a problem with either. I've had 3 AMD cards and 6 Nvidia cards (back to the Riva 128). Currently a 6800 XT, because it's been the best in class value for the last 4 years. Before that, the GTX 970 and 1070 for the same reason. What am I missing? Everything I hear says ray-tracing still performs poorly everywhere, even if Nvidia is better here. DLSS > FSR? I don't know, AFMF2 was a wonderful gift to existing AMD owners and made Cyberpunk 2077 an amazing experience for me at 4K/120Hz.

Now, from what I can see, the 5080 (and 5070 Ti) appears to swing the best value towards Nvidia again in the ultra-high class, but they're not even available. For now, the 7900 XTX holds its own <$900 though, and comes with 24GB. And the 7900 XT is still easily the best high end value option at $650. If they don't f**k up the 9070 launch they're set to dominate anything <$650 (the new mid-range sadly).

4x MFG is way overhyped and only useful to people >120Hz. What am I missing?

It sounds like you’ve got a good perspective after 40 years of PC gaming, and your breakdown is pretty much what I would agree with when it comes to gaming. What you’re "missing" really depends on how you prioritize different aspects of performance and features.

You’re right, ray tracing still has mixed performance across the board. Nvidia leads here, especially with DLSS frame generation and path tracing, but AMD has improved a lot. If you're already enjoying Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K/120Hz on your 6800 XT, ray tracing might just not be a game changer for you personally.

The 24GB of VRAM on the 7900 XTX is a big deal for future-proofing, especially with modern games pushing memory limits. Nvidia’s 16GB on the 4080 and upcoming 5080 might feel tight in comparison for certain 4K and heavily modded games down the line.

As far as what your missing exactly? Absolutely nothing as far as gaming is concerned.
Why Nvidia has a cult following like Apple? That is a question you will have to ask the people that buy only Nvidia GPUs.

I am not one of them.

That being said, you will have to agree, more gamers buy Nvidia. They have always edged out AMD in performance and software, and continue to do so.

Unless the 9070 and FSR 4 makes a huge splash they will continue that trend.

 

[pnntmp]

Such opinions are truly ridiculous.
I haven't seen anyone forcing consumers - they are voluntarily subjecting themselves to Nvidia's 'crime'.

Homegrown 'experts' should once and for all understand that the price of something has absolutely nothing to do with manufacturing costs, comparisons to similar products, opinions of random people, tech. specs and so on. What matters is how much are people willing to pay, and nothing else.

 

[Watzupken]

The sad reality: people are blasting Nvidia, then proceed to buy an Nvidia product anyway. That is why Nvidia always gets away with whatever crap they offer to their customers.This is a vicious cycle and reinforcing the fact that they can offer you "bones" and still get paid handsomely since people are willing to buy and pay for them.

 

[Later]

100% agree with him, this is just robbery.

 

[manowar51]

Such opinions are truly ridiculous.
I haven't seen anyone forcing consumers - they are voluntarily subjecting themselves to Nvidia's 'crime'.

Homegrown 'experts' should once and for all understand that the price of something has absolutely nothing to do with manufacturing costs, comparisons to similar products, opinions of random people, tech. specs and so on. What matters is how much are people willing to pay, and nothing else.

The Tech community that comments on reviews and leave reddit posts etc are not the people buying these graphics cards. But they do want them, they just don't want to pay what Nvidia ask for them.

For me its like being angry that the top spec BMW isnt affordable to the masses. Its just entitlement. Nobody needs a 5090.

 

[JupitersMoon]

I agree with his analysis that the RTX 5070 should have a minimum of 16GB of VRAM. I have a Radeon 6750XT on 1440p and my most demanding games requiring at least 10GB of VRAM. I feel with how demanding games will be in 2025, 12GB of VRAM will not be enough. Especially considering that most AAA games are now requiring ray-tracing. If you are still gaming on 1080p, yes this card will do fine but with everyone moving to 1440p and 4k, this card will not cut it. This is one of the reasons I switched to AMD because NVIDIA has becoming way to greedy.