I think that the notion that Vista was "seriously flawed" when introduced is an urban legend. I got my Vista Ultimate as an OEM installation, only five months after its introduction, on a modestly priced Dell desktop. After I cleared all the crap that came with it (Symantec Security, Office trialware, some games), I installed my own Security suite, Open Office, a higher version of MS Works I already had and my system went on without a glitch or any failure of any kind for over a year. It took SP2 to achieve that level of stability in XP. The first problem, now resolved had to do with the inability to install SP1. This proved to be due to incompatibility of some drivers, which I blame on Dell since they are the ones that put the box together. You cannot expect an OS designer to make the program compatible with a zillion different devices people plug into their computers. As to a "problem between a chair and the keyboard" it happens more than most of us realize. I know, I had been one in the past, and will probably be one in the future. There is no shame in learning from your mistakes. That is why forums such as this are priceless locations for learning. If you have a problem, state clearly what it is, and ask how to fix it. The when somebody tells you to do "this" instead of "that", and "this" works, thank for the advice and close the thread. Open a new thread to pontificate on the state of the software industry.