Why everyone already hates Blizzard's brand new perfectly fine mobile Diablo game

[nugnamnivek]

Wow, how f*cking stupid.
Really? "Gamers" are throwing a tantrum because a game series has a side game being made for mobile? They need to grow up. It's not meant to be the next Diablo, and it certainly doesn't postpone the next full installment. So if you don't like it, don't like it because it plays poorly (or IAPs are done wrong), not because you can't accept that it's a side entry they wanted to make for mobile.

It's "gamers" like these that give the rest of us a bad name...

Just wanted to reply to some of your accusations. They aren't upset the game is on mobile. They are upset it's only for mobile. There are a few reasons why. First they have been waiting 6 years for the next Diablo game. Second mobile games are notorious for cash grabs. As a gamer you should know we are tired of loot boxes. Third mobile games are very limited as far gaming flexibility is concerned. Your statement of Diablo Immortal being a side game is just wrong. It "is" the game. When asked about going to pc or console the reply was no we have no plans right now for Diablo being on PC or console meaning no PC or console Diablo game in the forseable future. Fourth it's a reskin of Endless of God. Fifth and most important reason it's the fans who carried this series not the mobile gaming community. We like to play games on a PC or console not a phone. Command and Conquer fans had the same reaction to C&C Rivals for mobile at EA's convention. I wonder why? As a supposed gamer you should have understood why gamers such as yourself are upset.

.....It's the idea that people are THIS UPSET over a game that makes me cringe. I love PC gaming. I don't love every game that's available. I don't love every installment in every series, but you know whats great? I don't play those games and move on with my life. I don't enjoy mobile gaming, so I don't play mobile games. It 100% makes sense that Blizzards wants to get into the mobile business with one of its big players. This isn't some great travesty. If anything you should be happy they are trying to remain profitable so they can continue to make the games you do like instead of closing their doors like so many are doing these days. It's great that PC gaming has moved into a younger demographic.... Unfortunately this kind of melodrama comes with that.

 

[Dwayne Matheson]

As a long time Diablo player and fan the problem with the mobile launch at Blizzcon was timing and expectations. 3 months ago one of the community managers released a video on the Diablo Facebook page which started building expectations for a huge announcement at Blizzcon. The placement of Diablo on the main stage and as the first presentation also confirmed to people that something big was on the way. Blizzcon is where Blizzard makes their huge announcements, and the main stage is usually reserved for the "really big news". This helps set the stage folks. About a month ago Blizzard tried to dampen enthusiasm, knowing that they had created a monstrous storm of hype. Basically, without stating it, they wanted people to back up the hype train and not expect a big Diablo 4 announcement, and that there were other things that were on the way. So, fans being fans, many were disappointed and yet still hopeful that Diablo would get the same kind of love that World of Warcraft did with the announcement of Classic, or the HighDef update to Star Craft. Showing Diablo 2 some love would be good enough for the fans.

All this to say, the placement of the announcement, the hype build up, the expectations for a huge Blizzcon Diablo announcement really built this into a devastating announcement for people who play games on computers. There are folks who save up their money to attend this Blizzard extravaganza of computer products. They spend a lot of money for the privilege of attending the event to be the first to see and experience the "new shiny" game play, or game. And folks even spend a lot of money to watch this live over the internet, as Blizzcon virtual tickets aren't free either. All that money that people spent, hoping that something monumental would be announced for the Diablo franchise was peed away with the announcement of a mobile game. The PC Master Race does not want mobile games, most PC gamers don't even want console games, they want PC games. How could Blizzard no know their own player demographic? Anyway, the backlash was, and is, a result of crushing expectations with a product that very few Diablo computer players want.

 

[Milkyjoe]

The title to this article annoys me, imagine if your a Nintendo fan waiting for there next big game and your told that it's not coming out on Switch only PC and you can only use mouse and keyboard. Don't you think they would be annoyed?

 

[Darth Shiv]

My original post addressed the idea that they were clueless about their fan base's fickle, demanding nature, and their own unfortunate dependence on one specific type of customer Still, trolls do have a great deal of "power", disproportionate to their numbers.

So, strictly from a business perspective, will the business gained by expanding into the phone gaming market, regardless of who says what in their PC users clientèle?

And how would you answer my rather predictable follow up question, "if a new a better PC version of the game were to be released, would that be enough to shut up the malcontents?

Because part of the issue really does seem to reside in the rather childish outlook, "we deserve a new game more than they do". Perhaps they do, but is it really necessary to start a rebellion to gain traction toward that end.

Maybe the same question, posed by the same group, in a more civil manner, would be enough to convince the company to more forward in a hasty, accommodating, expeditious pace..

A commonly held belief here is that our membership knows more about making CPUs than Intel, more about writing games than the publishers, and more about management and business than those having and doing those jobs.

I will grant you that there have likely been numerous businesses sunk on one cataclysmic bad decision, but it's more often caused by outside forces. The public is fickle and easily led by trolls and "influencers".I likewise agree that it isn't very productive to piss them off. But yet, sometimes it can't realistically be avoided/. Some people live to be offended almost completely without provocation. I think they're called "SJWs".

If Blizzard did not hype it, no-one would have expected anything. BLIZZARD created the expectation. There literally would not have been a fuss at all. All they had to do, pre-Blizzcon is to not say there was a big Diablo announcement. Because, to the crowd that paid millions of dollars for a PC gaming conference, there was no announcement for them.

No-one ever claimed they deserved a sequel. We all know Blizzard takes a long time to release major updates to WC, Diablo and SC. It's not a secret.

~35,000 people paying $200 for PC gaming announcements. Don't tell them you have something for them. Simple.

 

[maddogmcgee]

My original post addressed the idea that they were clueless about their fan base's fickle, demanding nature, and their own unfortunate dependence on one specific type of customer Still, trolls do have a great deal of "power", disproportionate to their numbers.

So, strictly from a business perspective, will the business gained by expanding into the phone gaming market, regardless of who says what in their PC users clientèle?

And how would you answer my rather predictable follow up question, "if a new a better PC version of the game were to be released, would that be enough to shut up the malcontents?.

Not sure why you keep calling the tens of thousands of people who travelled to Blizzcon for the reveal trolls and malcontents. They are the exact opposite, they are fans who gave the company money in order to nerd out for a few days. I myself would have loved to be able to see the Sc2 matches live and would have happily paid a few hundred to see it if I lived in America.

The decision is symptom of a cultural change which is the real issue. It would be the equivalent of Apple doing a mass reveal on a new $50 dollar Iphone whose design, software and support was outsourced to a Chinese company. Yes Apple might make a lot of money from spreading their brand to the mass market, but the people who really dig Apple products would lose their s**t during the reveal as it would mark a major shift of focus. It also wouldn't really be an 'Apple' phone.

 

[m4a4]

If Blizzard did not hype it, no-one would have expected anything. BLIZZARD created the expectation. There literally would not have been a fuss at all. All they had to do, pre-Blizzcon is to not say there was a big Diablo announcement. Because, to the crowd that paid millions of dollars for a PC gaming conference, there was no announcement for them.
No-one ever claimed they deserved a sequel. We all know Blizzard takes a long time to release major updates to WC, Diablo and SC. It's not a secret.
~35,000 people paying $200 for PC gaming announcements. Don't tell them you have something for them. Simple.

If only they announced there wasn't anything big, eh?
Oh wait: https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22549433

 

[Darth Shiv]

If only they announced there wasn't anything big, eh?
Oh wait: https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22549433

That was the backtrack. They realised they had ****ed up.
https://gamerant.com/diablo-new-game-reveal-blizzcon-2018/
They announced a panel for new Diablo content and people jumped to the conclusion, as I've been saying all along, that at a PC gamer conference, there would be something for PC gamers. It's not a stretch. And they scheduled a large announcement. This was before the post you cite.

They should not have had a large announcement scheduled at all. Then the message isn't ambiguous. But their marketing geniuses plowed ahead.

It's pretty obvious they understand this now as they are hastily putting out rumours that a D4 video is in the works. If that were true, they would have said so before Blizzcon and during Blizzcon. It's a straight knee-jerk reaction to completely f$#king up.

 

[Darth Shiv]

Not sure why you keep calling the tens of thousands of people who travelled to Blizzcon for the reveal trolls and malcontents. They are the exact opposite, they are fans who gave the company money in order to nerd out for a few days. I myself would have loved to be able to see the Sc2 matches live and would have happily paid a few hundred to see it if I lived in America.

I think the massive backlash against Blizzard and an auditorium of people who were dead silent for the Immortal announcement are exhibit A and B of why you are wrong. Especially considering the auditorium announcements have historically been received very well - especially compared to this one. If people wanted to only nerd out, the reception for Immortal wouldn't have been icy. Those people take those announcements seriously. All Blizzard franchises are huge money spinners.

 

[m4a4]

That was the backtrack. They realised they had ****ed up.
https://gamerant.com/diablo-new-game-reveal-blizzcon-2018/
They announced a panel for new Diablo content and people jumped to the conclusion, as I've been saying all along, that at a PC gamer conference, there would be something for PC gamers. It's not a stretch. And they scheduled a large announcement. This was before the post you cite.
They should not have had a large announcement scheduled at all. Then the message isn't ambiguous. But their marketing geniuses plowed ahead.
It's pretty obvious they understand this now as they are hastily putting out rumours that a D4 video is in the works. If that were true, they would have said so before Blizzcon and during Blizzcon. It's a straight knee-jerk reaction to completely f$#king up.

Yes, it was a backtrack to remove the "big announcement" hype. That's was the point, it happened before the actual announcement the other day. Which means that people shouldn't have been as disappointed as they are (since they made it clear it wouldn't have a big announcement).
But a new game (even if for mobile) is still an announcement (and one that doesn't affect D4 at all).

Still just looks like a bunch of entitled "gamers" expecting more from Blizzard than they should have. Especially to people outside of gaming where all they see is the whining.

 

[captaincranky]

Not sure why you keep calling the tens of thousands of people who travelled to Blizzcon for the reveal trolls and malcontents. They are the exact opposite, they are fans who gave the company money in order to nerd out for a few days. I myself would have loved to be able to see the Sc2 matches live and would have happily paid a few hundred to see it if I lived in America.....[ ]....

Well, anybody who pays $200.00 to get into a gamer's convention absolutely has to be considered, "hard core". The fact remains, even with thousands in attendance, those present still have to be considered a "minority", when compared with the likely millions who enjoy the game in a less rabid manner.

It simply makes no sense for this extremely vocal and bellicose minority, to be allowed to outright spoil it for people who actually might enjoy the game on their phone, while dictating, nay verily demanding, what direction Blizzard is allowed to take with its business.

The processes of natural selection are at work in the business environment as they are in nature. Accordingly, time will tell the overall impact of this decision on Blizzard's profitability.

In analog, I think the excessive resolution available in the new smartphones is both absurd and asinine, and I wouldn't be caught dead strap hanging on a commuter rail carriage watching, "Avatar", or any other major feature film. on a phone. It's the reason they make these huge TVs nowadays. But that doesn't mean it might not be right or necessary for another film buff. The same principles attach about the format of a computer game. There is such a concept as, "live and let live", which attaches to so manty fecets of human life.

As far as fanboys bellyaching about how much they spent for tickets to this fiasco, IMHO, that's tough sh!t.,

People in my town have been paying that much and more for Eagles tickets for half a century, and 49 out of 50 years, the eagles sucked big time. So, these big spenders should just be thankful they only got screwed once. It could be much worse, they could be hard core Eagles fans, and deep in debt for dozens of tickets to an ongoing ripoff.

 

[KenChan]

Wow, how f*cking stupid.
Really? "Gamers" are throwing a tantrum because a game series has a side game being made for mobile? They need to grow up. It's not meant to be the next Diablo, and it certainly doesn't postpone the next full installment. So if you don't like it, don't like it because it plays poorly (or IAPs are done wrong), not because you can't accept that it's a side entry they wanted to make for mobile.

It's "gamers" like these that give the rest of us a bad name...

So let me ask you this. You are a PC gamer or Console. You go to BlizzCon to see new games for your platform. Then they announce a game you been waiting for 6 years but it's on mobile. How would you feel? There is nothing wrong with a mobile game. But it was the main event. BlizzCon has always been majority PC gamers. So why alienate them like this? If they made available on all platforms do you think people would have complained?

 

[Xallisto]

This is Federation Force all over again, when u give your customers what you want, not what they want there will always be trouble.

And just like Federation Force this game will be sent out to die in a hail of bullets. Once again just like Federation Force u have to feel for the devs it's not their fault that fans got it into their heads that D4 was coming. And yet they are gonna be the ones who pay the price for it. Blizzard should have seen this coming and switched the announcement to the D2 remake or at least something D4 related.

 

[m4a4]

So let me ask you this. You are a PC gamer or Console. You go to BlizzCon to see new games for your platform. Then they announce a game you been waiting for 6 years but it's on mobile. How would you feel? There is nothing wrong with a mobile game. But it was the main event. BlizzCon has always been majority PC gamers. So why alienate them like this? If they made available on all platforms do you think people would have complained?

1. It's too early to announce D4 (the last one was announced at the 8 year mark).
2. It's not announced instead of D4 (the game will have no impact on dev time).
3. They already announced weeks ago that there would be no big announcement.

And yeah, I'd bet they'd find a way to complain anyways (considering how irrational a lot of the "gamers" have been). Gamers don't have a reputation for being immature about not getting their way for nothing lol

 

[takemaru]

Wow, how f*cking stupid.
Really? "Gamers" are throwing a tantrum because a game series has a side game being made for mobile? [...]

Have you even read the article?

The fans are angry, because Blizz announced a cheap cash-grab mobile app as it would be a AAA PC game. And instead of a short apology, they doubled down on it.

 

[m4a4]

Have you even read the article?
The fans are angry, because Blizz announced a cheap cash-grab mobile app as it would be a AAA PC game. And instead of a short apology, they doubled down on it.

Bud, why don't you catch up with the 60+ comments in this thread and then come back. Because you can't accuse me of not reading the article, and then ignore the rest of the comments.

 

[Darth Shiv]

Yes, it was a backtrack to remove the "big announcement" hype. That's was the point, it happened before the actual announcement the other day. Which means that people shouldn't have been as disappointed as they are (since they made it clear it wouldn't have a big announcement).
But a new game (even if for mobile) is still an announcement (and one that doesn't affect D4 at all).

Still just looks like a bunch of entitled "gamers" expecting more from Blizzard than they should have. Especially to people outside of gaming where all they see is the whining.

I'll leave it with this. Btw, this is from the D2 producer. By far the most successful Diablo title. Oh he was also the producer of Vanilla WoW. Also the most popular release of WoW ever.

 

[m4a4]

I'll leave it with this. Btw, this is from the D2 producer. By far the most successful Diablo title. Oh he was also the producer of Vanilla WoW. Also the most popular release of WoW ever.

I saw already. The problem is that he's dismissed the toxic "gamers" and entitled "gamers" and blamed it 100% on Blizzard. If he can't place some blame on "gamers" (or at least condemn the childish actions of "gamers"), then he's just playing the nice guy (and is not worth citing for an argument).
If you look into it further, he doesn't exactly acknowledge that Blizzard already announced there would be no big announcement. It just seems like he doesn't care if Blizzard was fully at fault or not. Maybe even capitalizing on it as an opportunity ("Em-8ER" looks kinda cool).

But anyways, you don't 100% dismiss childish behavior from adults. Even if you've made iconic games.

 

[Darth Shiv]

I saw already. The problem is that he's dismissed the toxic "gamers" and entitled "gamers" and blamed it 100% on Blizzard. If he can't place some blame on "gamers" (or at least condemn the childish actions of "gamers"), then he's just playing the nice guy (and is not worth citing for an argument).
If you look into it further, he doesn't exactly acknowledge that Blizzard already announced there would be no big announcement. It just seems like he doesn't care if Blizzard was fully at fault or not. Maybe even capitalizing on it as an opportunity ("Em-8ER" looks kinda cool).

But anyways, you don't 100% dismiss childish behavior from adults. Even if you've made iconic games.

He said the community response was entirely predictable. What more do you want? 1+1 = 2. It's just a fact. Blizzard were in control of the situation and completely botched it. And the result was completely predictable. He's not just playing the nice guy. He's playing the guy who knows how to market a game and has incredible success at doing so.

The point is trying to put any blame on the gamers is completely irrelevant.

 

[KenChan]

1. It's too early to announce D4 (the last one was announced at the 8 year mark).
2. It's not announced instead of D4 (the game will have no impact on dev time).
3. They already announced weeks ago that there would be no big announcement.

And yeah, I'd bet they'd find a way to complain anyways (considering how irrational a lot of the "gamers" have been). Gamers don't have a reputation for being immature about not getting their way for nothing lol

1. If this was a stop gap game to keep us busy till D4 (Since it's far away) then why isn't this game on PC and Console like Fortnite?
2. Even though they weren't going to announce anything big then why was the mobile game at the main event?
3. Gamers are passionate they want the best because we always had the best back in the day. We want D4 without microtransactions. I have a phone but geez a mobile Diablo was the last thing on my mind. Non of the PC gamers requested a mobile Diablo game. That is why there is such backlash.

 

[m4a4]

He said the community response was entirely predictable. What more do you want? 1+1 = 2. It's just a fact. Blizzard were in control of the situation and completely botched it. And the result was completely predictable. He's not just playing the nice guy. He's playing the guy who knows how to market a game and has incredible success at doing so.
The point is trying to put any blame on the gamers is completely irrelevant.

And there's the problem. Refusing to put some blame on the consumer. Especially when said "gamers" go and throw death threats at the devs. Completely predictable and acceptable, right?

You had might as well be telling me that the philosophy of "the consumer is always right" is flawless.

 

[m4a4]

Non of the PC gamers requested a mobile Diablo game. That is why there is such backlash.

Who cares what was "requested". They didn't scrap D4 for this. That is where the "entitled gamer" comes from. This mobile game is an extra (like a book, or a comic, or another form of media).
The hardcore PC game is coming, but you'd never guess that over the hysteria.

 

[Darth Shiv]

And there's the problem. Refusing to put some blame on the consumer. Especially when said "gamers" go and throw death threats at the devs. Completely predictable and acceptable, right?

You had might as well be telling me that the philosophy of "the consumer is always right" is flawless.

What death threats? Are there any here? Not that I've heard of.

Who cares what was "requested". They didn't scrap D4 for this. That is where the "entitled gamer" comes from. This mobile game is an extra (like a book, or a comic, or another form of media).
The hardcore PC game is coming, but you'd never guess that over the hysteria.

Kern addressed that attitude and expectation. I don't need to keep repeating the same message to you.

 

[m4a4]

What death threats? Are there any here? Not that I've heard of.
Kern addressed that attitude and expectation. I don't need to keep repeating the same message to you.

Oh, so because you've not heard of them they don't exist? Congrats on the ignorance, we're done here.

But not before I leave this, since you insist on quoting Mark Kern: https://www.pcinvasion.com/diablo-immortal-david-brevik/
He did stuff too, but at least he calls out both sides.

 

[maddogmcgee]

Oh, so because you've not heard of them they don't exist? Congrats on the ignorance, we're done here.

But not before I leave this, since you insist on quoting Mark Kern: https://www.pcinvasion.com/diablo-immortal-david-brevik/
He did stuff too, but at least he calls out both sides.

So you made the death threats up then?

 

[m4a4]

So you made the death threats up then?

They get deleted, along with a whole bunch of other things (like legit comments on Youtube). Almost like there are a few "no tolerance" rules floating about on different sites.

But hey, you and @Darth Shiv live in your fairytale land where all gamers are mature enough to not stoop to such depths, and the perfect Diablo IV has already been released... I'll leave both of you there in your bubble.