Windows 10, Skylake & Thunderbolt 3 bring the most compelling reasons to upgrade in a long while

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You guys continue to argue about Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7. While the rest of us commoners will try Windows 10 just because it's new. We'll learn to use it just as we learned to use its predecessors.
People don't really care as long as they get something new every now and then. Oh, sure someone is going to complain that the latest thingamajig isn't the exact way he/she wanted and Microsoft will make it's billions regardless.

Point is things change. Don't be so fixated. Why argue about opinions? You have yours and everyone else have theirs. No one else cares except your love ones. Go tell them about how the latest Windows doesn't get you. See how far that conversation goes.
 

TheBigFatClown

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Whenever a new version of Windows coincides with the introduction of new hardware it's always seen by the media as the dawn of a new age for PC users. Windows 10 looks good and hopefully it will deliver the goods in the features department but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it, and Thunderbolt 3.0, will spur new PC purchases (especially since most people probably don't know what Thunderbolt is or how it compares to USB 3.0/3.1). If anything, Win10 will give developers a solid foundation for creating stable software and drivers since it's the last commercial release of the OS according to Microsoft and that will be a boon for PC users.

I have a hard time believing that Windows 10 will be the name they use for their OS for any longer than the next 3 years. How else will they ever generate hype and new buzz over new features without giving their software a new snazzy title?

I guess they can do things like, "Windows 10: New and Improved", "Windows 10, Second Edition", "Windows 10, 2019". *face palm*. Even iOS gets a new number every so often.
 

TheBigFatClown

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You must be the Queen of England using the royal "we" like that. Meanwhile the actual "we" (I.e. everyone but you) agrees completely with the fellow you quoted and (pathetically) attacked.

So you also missed the point that the article is about THREE reasons to upgrade, and you disagree with that because you don't like ONE of those reasons, being Win 10.

I agree with BigFatClown, win 7 is just fine the way it is and upgrading past it is probably inviting frustration, but if you've read any windows 8 or 10 stories on this website you'll find a wall of text in the comments from BFC talking about how miserable windows is. In fact, it's probably the only thing he ever comments on. It's such a trend, the next time we get a story about windows I'm going to post 'In before BFC trashes windows' in the comments. He's not wrong, but you notice we're not talking about Thunderbolt and Intel at all. that's all I was pointing out.

If you really examine what I was complaining about, at the heart, its not so much Windows 10 itself but the propaganda that you see on websites like this...pushing it so hard...stating opinions as facts...."Truly useful features such as live tiles..." ???????? If a technology website can have one of their staff members spout propaganda about Windows 10 why shouldn't I be allowed to offer my opinions as well? Oh, btw, hate is a strong word. I wouldn't say I hate Windows 10, in fact, I like it better than Windows 8 because Microsoft seems to actually care about the people who are going to be using their crapware want and not just what Microsoft wants. They realized that what the consumer creating their paycheck wants....actually matters...crazy concept I know, right? LOL.

So, all I was pointing out, is that the article tries to PUSH Windows 10 adoption onto the masses by mixing opinions with facts. All my bitching(along with millions of others just like me) has gotten us things like "Windows Insider" software for daily feedback to the Windows 10 development team. You can thank me for that anytime your ready.

I'm the devils advocate, baby. If Windows 10 is a success it's only because of people like me not ashamed to say what's good and bad about a new piece of software.
 
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cliffordcooley

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No one else cares except your love ones. Go tell them about how the latest Windows doesn't get you. See how far that conversation goes.
Let me quote you so you can read your own words. If that is truly how you feel, you shouldn't be here.
 

Squid Surprise

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"That's where not only are you wrong, but you crossed a line and lost my interest in continuing the conversation. I may not have background in the field, but that doesn't mean I don't know what is possible. Good day to you, go belittle someone else! I'm not in the mood to return the insult."

Spoken by one who realizes he is in the wrong.... he wasn't insulting you, you just don't have the intelligence or the skill to refute what he's saying... by the way - yes, I'm insulting you :)
 

Nobina

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As for the rest of this "genuinely better OS" (according to the writer and pretty much nobody else) how does removing lots of useful and attractive features improve the UX in any way, shape or form?
Oh, let me guess! You're mad that Microsoft removed the glass effects, drop shadows, glass buttons, 3D icons and the rest of the skeuomorphic nonsense, and you want it back, aren't you?
There is no conceivable way someone could be this irritated with Windows 10 other than that. Now that the start menu is back in there, and you can remove all tiles and never have to deal with them if you're so inclined, Windows 10 is better than Windows 7 is every way. The only reason you could conjure to complain is "I don't like the flat style".
It's a good thing that your personal opinion, or that of a handful of agitated forum users, is not relevant to a product that will be released worldwide to a vast market. Microsoft should not take steps backwards in interface design just to satisfy your tasteless desire for skeuomorphism. You're not getting your glass effects back, just accept it, or choose another operating system if proper interface design with high signal-to-noise ratio bothers you so much.
I don't agree that Windows 10 is better than 7 in every way since IMO start menu from Windows 7 is superior and it's been said that Home version of W10 won't have the option to disable automatic updates, which is bad for pretty much anyone who don't like their internet clogged by updates.
 

Nobina

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You guys continue to argue about Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7. While the rest of us commoners will try Windows 10 just because it's new. We'll learn to use it just as we learned to use its predecessors.
People don't really care as long as they get something new every now and then. Oh, sure someone is going to complain that the latest thingamajig isn't the exact way he/she wanted and Microsoft will make it's billions regardless.

Point is things change. Don't be so fixated. Why argue about opinions? You have yours and everyone else have theirs. No one else cares except your love ones. Go tell them about how the latest Windows doesn't get you. See how far that conversation goes.
Yeah let's abandon everything and never talk about anything ever again. Why bother? Everyone has their opinion and it's diffrent. Things change, world goes on, MS gets billions, users are dumb, sky is blue, let's move on with our lives.
 

wiyosaya

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We know you hate Windows, but I think the big deal is being made because of the timing of all 3 things together. Thunderbolt 3.0 sounds like the biggest advance in peripheral technology since USB, and to have it come out next to a Windows release AND an Intel release means it's the best time to upgrade in a while.
I looked into Thunderbolt a couple of months ago and for me, it was more Thudbolt. Why? Because it appears to be specific to certain Intel hardware, and there are no PCI-E cards out there that I could use to add Thudbolt to any of my systems. So, if I want Thudbolt, I have do a completely new build. At this point, I am not ready to do that, and I imagine that since Thudbolt is bound to specific Intel hardware, that will be a sticking point in its adoption. Any generation of USB was not specific to the hardware, and is likely part of the reason it was so universally adopted. The same cannot be said of Thudbolt I am willing to bet that its adoption will suffer because of that. The technology is exciting, YES, I AGREE, but as it is limited to specific newer hardware, my bet is that its market and adoption will be limited.

As to storing my data in the cloud - not gonna happen in any lifetime. I am not willing to let any cloud mine my data.
 

cliffordcooley

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Spoken by one who realizes he is in the wrong.... he wasn't insulting you, you just don't have the intelligence or the skill to refute what he's saying... by the way - yes, I'm insulting you :)
He and now you are insulting my intelligence. You see I know in a digital world we could have a choice of every Start Menu MS has ever created. MS did not give us a choice of whether we wanted to use the Metro Interface. They are limiting our options, where we will find ourselves having to use them. There is nothing wrong in what I said, if you think it is wrong then you simply didn't understand it.
I looked into Thunderbolt a couple of months ago and for me, it was more Thudbolt. Why? Because it appears to be specific to certain Intel hardware, and there are no PCI-E cards out there that I could use to add Thudbolt to any of my systems.
I'm fairly certain that is the case with any new technology. We have to wait for all tech to come to market.
 
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DelJo63

adjective: compelling
  • evoking interest, attention, or admiration in a powerfully irresistible way.
  • not able to be refuted; inspiring conviction.
  • not able to be resisted; overwhelming
Interesting, admiral - - maybe
Irresistible, irrefutable, overwhelming -- hmm; greatly depends upon the reader and credulity thereof.

You know, the model A is vintage but those that have done so, find it fun to drive.
1960's mussel cars are classics and even MORE fun to drive.
Neither has current technology, bluetooth connectivity to the radio or GPS - - but they still have GREAT utility.

IMO, compelling is have a job to do and needing the right tool to do it with - - age, current technology be hanged.
 
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As a .Net/Windows developer who refused to move to win8 and stayed on win7 I see no reason what so ever to move to win 10. I have a bloody headache every day in work from working on win server 2012 and in my experience it's the worst server OS I've had the mis-fortune to use. It's a nightmare and makes the job much harder and frustrating.
 

Squid Surprise

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You always have the choice not to update... in the short term.... but as we all know, eventually you HAVE to update - MS stops supporting everything eventually... Anyone still want to keep using Windows 98?

No matter how "perfect" you think Windows 7 is, eventually you WILL have to leave it behind... if not for Windows 10, then for 11... or 12... or 13...
 

TorturedChaos

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As long as they get rid of the metro/win store app crap that win8 has. Its a gimped down version of the real software that just causes the average user to get confused as to why not ecery thing works (like java plugins)

As for me I'm going to stay with Ubuntu on my home computer and recommending it to everyone I know who does just the basics on there computer. And I'm going to keep wishing I could run the software I need at my store in Linux, and keep using Win 7 for now.

I am excited about Skylark and DDR4 ram. 16gigs per stick, I can now have 32 gigs in dual channel and maybe satisify they hungry beast that is Photoshop. Waiting for that before my graphic design computer gets an upgrade :)
 
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DelJo63

Anyone still want to keep using Windows 98?
Actually 98/SE - - not frequently, but it serves as a good backup system and file server. That box is an archaic Pentium which dual (err -- triple) boots other Linux systems. If it works and does what you need - - do so.
 

TheBigFatClown

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Clown: Libraries is an obnoxious abomination that reduces performance and takes up space in my interface. The *****ic action of auto scrolling with folder opening has stolen a few dozen hours from my life.

I can't argue with your point. The only thing I can do is restate my point in a different way. I thought Windows 7 was as close to perfection as you could get from a high level perspective. Its certainly not perfect in an absolute sense.

I guess what makes Windows 7 "seem" perfect is the act of comparing it to the abomination known as Windows 8.

If we can just keep pushing Microsoft a bit more using the "squeaky wheel gets the most grease" method to mold the Windows 10 UI to our liking(hardcore desktop users) than hopefully we will have an operating system we can live with soon. Windows 10 is looking up but it still has a ways to go. And most of my time has been spent griping about the UI which distracts me from other issues I might not yet be fully aware of.

Another big drawback was the demise of Windows Media Center. Incredible software, easy to use, always works. A big loss for Windows 10. But Microsoft has stated an alternative is coming for that also. So, we shall see.

Let's all keep squeaking. :)
 

Jad Chaar

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I cant wait for Skylake! It is seriously going to give a much needed breath of fresh air to the PC industry.
 
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As one who has tried every released version of Win 10: I hope MS can iron out many serious problems with installation and basic functionality by the end of July. They are promising too much with Cortina and Edge/Spartan looks nice but just does not work with many basic web site functions. The only (maybe) must have for gamers is DX12, still not released and not clear if it will be available at Win10's release date. MS gave up on what would be a killer feature, universal phone messaging. I wish MS well but I don't think Win10 is ready for wide release and MS does not need another Vista debacle. Apple does not even try to improve their ancient GUI and no one cares. The OS wars are over, the internet won.