Windows updates are at it again, reportedly hanging and slowing down systems

mcborge

TS Guru
You speak perfectly right things, mate. But when Gonegirl's PC doesn't have a BIOS, I'm totally agreed with her: she won't be able to install Windows 10 on it, actually she wouldn't make such a PC bootable at all.

We could make the point on existence of such a thing that called backward compatibility. Or we could point on system requirements of a certain Windows version, certain applications etc. But who knows what can happen in the world of computers that lack "the registry" thing?

Although in that reality where I live, people do install Windows on everything, and the newer OS is, the more are chances to update seamlessly. And vise versa: the older the OS is, the bigger trouble you discover trying install it on your shiny PC (e.g. Win7 on CFL or Ryzen).
I just don't like to think of people giving up on perfectly serviceable hardware. You would be suprised at the age of machine windows 10 will run on. I have it installed on an old packard bell easynote that's running an Athlon II P340 with mobility Radeon HD4250 graphics. the graphics chip isn't even supported by AMD any more but windows 10 found a driver for it and it works fine for browsing and watching youtube vids. I can still run some older games on it like GLquake.
 

Darth Shiv

TS Evangelist
It becomes legal to blame MS for everything, and I won't defend them, but..

Only certain AV-software installed machines have been affected. It is well explained in KB articles, specific to Windows version. It is also noted, that Windows Update now prevents installation of the update when it detects uncompatible AV. Moreover, certain AV-developers began to release their own patches to address the issue.

In the environment where AV-software and OS are so well tied together, god knows who's responsible and for what.

Ask yourself, why only 4 of dozens AV is affected?
And hey, why only 90 comments left on reddit about this huge problem?
The simple fact is Microsoft pushed an API breaking change to machines in the wild without knowing if it would **** said machines. They have completely turfed their test team and are BETA testing on CUSTOMERS.

If they don't want the backlash, they have the metrics to know EXACTLY who is using said APIs but they just throw this rubbish out to customers and brick or BSOD or hang machines. Fantastic. /s
 

bluetooth fairy

TS Booster
I just don't like to think of people giving up on perfectly serviceable hardware. You would be suprised at the age of machine windows 10 will run on. I have it installed on an old packard bell easynote that's running an Athlon II P340 with mobility Radeon HD4250 graphics. the graphics chip isn't even supported by AMD any more but windows 10 found a driver for it and it works fine for browsing and watching youtube vids. I can still run some older games on it like GLquake.
Exactly. Like I'm fine using same K10 on my desktop. The only diff is 3 times more cores, ah, and descrete graphics.
 

mcborge

TS Guru
Exactly. Like I'm fine using same K10 on my desktop. The only diff is 3 times more cores, ah, and descrete graphics.
I run a Ryzen 2700 on my main rig but it's always handy having an old laptop around if things go wrong and I need a windows iso or to help me troubleshoot issues. Luckily I haven't needed to do that so far this time as my gaming build is only a couple of months old.
 

max0x7ba

TS Enthusiast
It becomes legal to blame MS for everything, and I won't defend them, but..

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Ask yourself, why only 4 of dozens AV is affected?
And hey, why only 90 comments left on reddit about this huge problem?
Exactly.

I am not even sure why people would use a 3rd-party anti-virus when Windows 10 comes with a free one.

I have been using the built-in Windows Defender and had 0 problems with Windows 10 updates.
 
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lipe123

TS Evangelist
Yikes! All the "experts" in the comments, holy ****.

Honestly someone hit it right on the head by pointing out that there was like 90 "me too" on the reddit thread from a potential of millions of users. This is not *just* microsoft's fault.

Got to love the guy that admits he had a bitcoin miner on his machine with his antivirus present, maybe time for a new antivirus that actually works with malware scanning included?
 
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texasrattler

TS Evangelist
Long life Windows 7. Less dpc latency, better mouse behaviour, better ram and cpu threads management.
Can't compare life as Win 7 had a long life well before 10.
the rest ive seen and used both systems for years. I have seen no discernable difference in all the stuff you have said. Mouse has worked fine on both. Ram the same, bigger difference would be ddr3 vs drr4 imo and cpu, again no difference that I saw.
Maybe with certain software or how YOU use your computer you see these things but overall I wouldn't say Windows 7 was any better at those.
 

bluetooth fairy

TS Booster
Because 90% of Windows users rely on Window's Defender.
It was sarcasm to stress the willing of TS to throw more sh*t on moving fan.

The problem was barely Microsoft related, but people here have immediately catched it. Moreover the TS mixes Windows 10 truly massive update problem with that certain AV slowdowns, more specific to Windows 7 and 8.1 (as claimed in KBs and on certain AV support pages).

But I like there are those who can see why my point is acceptable.
 

taylor1277

TS Enthusiast
Well, I would really like to thank Techspot for printing this article out and most of all letting us comment on this matter, because yes here goes Microsoft again. And not only is it messing with systems and OS, but it is also disabling devices. Here is where my problem arises, and I thought this might be the problem because I remember downloading Windows updates, and if I don't do it my system becomes vulnerable now, my OS. I knew it, I just knew it. Here is where my problem lies. I was trying to fix someone's printer, abruptly just stopped working and if you read about this online you will see it is happening all over the internet, in forums too. Can't get the software to work since about March/April 2019. This is a printer that should still work, sure it is old, but they are still selling them on places like Amazon. And it was a very high-end HP printer. I even went through HP and tried to get help. Excuse, oh you might need to get a new printer and please when you do please buy another HP, we will thank you for it. See this is where and I am sure there are other companies riding on this with Microsoft, they love Microsoft for doing what they do, you scratch my let's say back and I will scratch yours, I would say scratch something else, but I will be civilized. When printers at HP, the nephew of Microsoft don't work because of this reason HP tells you to just trash your printer. Why should we be throwing away printers, when there really isn't any change in them anyway. When was the last time you seen font characters change and needed a new printer. I can see making newer printers for photographers, but not for text printing a page. Another million people are born every day, why do we all need to buy a new camera, printer, scanner or something like that every few years. Because of greed. Pure greed, imagine of your the automotive world disabled your car by downloading software.
 

lazer

TS Addict
I have my original win7 on my laptop with NO updates and I plan to keep it that way. It works, so why update it?
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
Exactly.

I am not even sure why people would use a 3rd-party anti-virus when Windows 10 comes with a free one
Because maybe some people don't want to suckle at the breast of M$ for everything in their lives.

Because maybe some people resent M$ forcing them into a situation whereby M$ is trying to close their system to independent publishers.

Because maybe some people deeply resent M$ breaking Windows 7 & 8 systems at their pleasure to force more of them into Windows 10.

I mean after all who wouldn't want Windows as a "service"?

Why wouldn't somebody want M$ leeching enough personal data out of their system to slow down their internet?

Why wouldn't somebody want M$ allowing them the "largess" of "postponing" their updates, instead of allowing people good old fashioned "free will", to do as they choose?

Now toddle along to the M$ store, they're expecting you. :rolleyes:
 

max0x7ba

TS Enthusiast
Because maybe some people don't want to suckle at the breast of M$ for everything in their lives.
Well, I guess that is the price they have to pay for installing unnecessary 3rd-party software on their systems. Especially as critical and intrusive software as anti-virus is.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
Well, I guess that is the price they have to pay for installing unnecessary 3rd-party software on their systems. Especially as critical and intrusive software as anti-virus is.
And yet, updates on Windows 7 occurred frequently on Windows 7 without incident or interference with 3rd party software, even AV product, when M$ wasn't trying to get rid of it.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that at least two of the AV programs affected, were two of the most widely used.

Apparently M$ can get their updates to work with the AV garbage on the market which no one uses, but can't get them to work with those people do. But granted, perhaps there aren't enough used of the least known to affect the overall outcome.

During Windows 7's reign, "Windows Defender" was pretty much a dirty, useless, joke. Now all of a sudden they've got it working? That seems strangely convenient and suspicious in and of itself.


You'll find out when you get hit with ransomware or your identity gets stolen.
Sitting around biting our nails about ransom ware are we? Gmail gets rid of most of the crap before you even see it. If you're dumb enough to think you've actually "won a thousand dollars" in a contest you've never entered, I figure that's on you.

I still won't allow any of my utilities or credit card companies to withhold paper statements Problem solved. For all intents and purposes, my financial life is off line.
 

144hzGamer

TS Addict
Can't compare life as Win 7 had a long life well before 10.
the rest ive seen and used both systems for years. I have seen no discernable difference in all the stuff you have said. Mouse has worked fine on both. Ram the same, bigger difference would be ddr3 vs drr4 imo and cpu, again no difference that I saw.
Maybe with certain software or how YOU use your computer you see these things but overall I wouldn't say Windows 7 was any better at those.
Prolly you are not a competitive gamer or mice enthusiast, otherwise you would know.

Also fir music production the dpc latency is awful on windows 10 even using the best interfaces. Win7 is as fast as mac os
 

Markoni35

TS Maniac
- Sir, Klingons are charging their phasers. What do we do?
- Prepare photon torpedoes, Number One!
- Yes, sir...
Sorry captain, we can't prepare the torpedoes right now. Windows is downloading the cumulative update.
- Well, stop the update and fire the damn torpedoes!!
- We can't. It's installing the updates now. It says: "Please don't turn off your computer".
- What??? Stop the damn update and launch the torpedoes! The Klingons are firing at us!!
- Yes sir, we're receving reports of heavy damage... our shields are at 42%......
- Fire the torpedoes!! Now!!!!!
- Just a second sir... it's restarting... should be up in a minute...
- In a minute we'll be roasted meat!
- Okay, Windows is up... we can fire the.... oh, wait.... still installing updates..... yeah... "Please don't turn off your computer"...
- If we can't shoot then jump to hyperspeed!! Warp 9 RIGHT NOW!!!!
- We can't sir, Windows is restarting for the second time...
- Is anything on this ship working without Windows?!?!
- Yes sir, the latrine on the deck 13 is a classical one...
- That was a rhetorical question Commander Data!!
- Yes sir!
- Okay, has the damn thing restarted??
- Yes sir, restart complete.
- Excellent! Fire the photon torpedoes at Klingons!
- Just a second sir, Windows is installing drivers for the torpedo launcher.
- OMG, someone just shoot me...
- Klingons are doing their best, sir.