YouTube demonetizes anti-vaccination channels

[wiyosaya]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html
This link is for the MMR vaccine on the US CDC web site.

Severe events occur very rarely:

• Deafness
• Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
• Brain damage

 

[Reachable]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html
This link is for the MMR vaccine on the US CDC web site.

Yes, it does happen. That kind of devastating regressive autism had never been recorded before in the history of medical literature. Somebody is going to have to pay for the care of these kids for the rest of their lives, and the logical and just party to do so would be the pharmaceutical companies who manufactured the vaccines. That would result in their bankruptcy and demise, but there are always others who can take their place.

I know that pharma has won at least one lawsuit concerning this. They have the means (and the sway, apparently.) And the fight against vaccination critics has been ramped up to the point that it has ensnared the public to their side in a zany crusade.

 

[Lew Zealand]

ALL medical videos should be demonitized. We're dealing with a subject here that is extremely critical. These aren't kitten videos, UFO theory, or anything else. When you're trying to get clicks your motives can degrade very quickly. It's quite a bit different than writing and publishing a book that a buyer is able to examine before purchase.

This is a win for Big Pharma, which actively and constantly does whatever it can to denigrate and repress anything that competes with it, whether good or bad. With all due respect, Mr. Article Writer, if you characterize all alternative and holistic medicine as pseudoscience then you are ignorant of it.

Those are the very definition of pseudoscience. Their descriptions use sciencey-sounding words to attempt to impress but no proper science has shown that alternative and holistic medicine treats anything, much less cures it.

These places show preliminary tests done by proponents which are not double blinded and placebo controlled and show a supposed effect. Using a technique called P-hacking. BTW, regular scientists do P-hacking, too and it equally wrong when they do it. When actual double blinded and placebo controlled tests are done by third party individuals on alternative and holistic medicine, no effect above the level of placebo is shown.

They then say that look, there was an effect! Doesn't matter than it was identical to placebo, which has it's own effect. You could use pretty much anything if you want a placebo effect, that's simply not interesting, but it's what alternative medicine clings to.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Yes, it does happen. That kind of devastating regressive autism had never been recorded before in the history of medical literature.

So you didn't read anything there, did you? It doesn't mention autism at all but that's OK, you can call anything you want "autism". Free country, right?

 

[wiyosaya]

So you didn't read anything there, did you? It doesn't mention autism at all but that's OK, you can call anything you want "autism". Free country, right?

Honestly, I think that "autism" might very well fall under the broad category of "brain damage."

 

[iamcts]

Youtube is not preventing antivaxxers from spewing their nonsense. They are preventing them from making money from their spewed nonsense. They are still free to make videos and post them, but they will not contain adds, hence the term "demonetized."

There is no freedom of speech with a private company. The left was all cheers when Alex Jones was banned completely, not just demonetized. Now, however, it seems that some on the left want the antivaxxers (mostly leftists, al la Jim Carrey) to keep raking in the dough from spreading stupidity.

There is a difference between spreading stupidity and humor and spreading dangerous information that can be fatal.

That was the worst attempt at turning this into a political issue that I have ever seen.

 

[Reachable]

Those are the very definition of pseudoscience. Their descriptions use sciencey-sounding words to attempt to impress but no proper science has shown that alternative and holistic medicine treats anything, much less cures it.

These places show preliminary tests done by proponents which are not double blinded and placebo controlled and show a supposed effect. Using a technique called P-hacking. BTW, regular scientists do P-hacking, too and it equally wrong when they do it. When actual double blinded and placebo controlled tests are done by third party individuals on alternative and holistic medicine, no effect above the level of placebo is shown.

They then say that look, there was an effect! Doesn't matter than it was identical to placebo, which has it's own effect. You could use pretty much anything if you want a placebo effect, that's simply not interesting, but it's what alternative medicine clings to.

I can't stop you from expressing your opinion, but I can point out that, albeit in a rather unhinged fashion, you are demonstrating exactly one of the ploys that Pharma and its allies use.

The ploy only works on people who have never tried, and are completely unfamiliar with, alternative medicine. But that's good enough -- the objective is to prevent more 'defections'.

What you're saying is patently false. The body of stringent studies on non-pharmaceutical medicine is immense. Most of it has taken place outside of the U.S. (the most drug-dominated country), in Europe, India, China, and elsewhere. Until recently I suppose someone who was inclined to be dismissive could write off the India and China studies as being done by primitives, but it's not the case now, and it wasn't the case then.

Again, this is a critically important subject. We live in a world full of disinformation and propaganda, but when it comes to the spread of false information concerning health and safety, it needs to be countered immediately.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The body of stringent studies on non-pharmaceutical medicine is immense. Most of it has taken place outside of the U.S. (the most drug-dominated country), in Europe, India, China, and elsewhere. Until recently I suppose someone who was inclined to be dismissive could write off the India and China studies as being done by primitives, but it's not the case now, and it wasn't the case then.

It has nothing to do with who is doing the studies and it has nothing to do with what is being studied. Science isn't a dogma or set of information, it's a process which works exactly the same on anything being studied, whether it's some pharma company drug or a traditional Chinese herbal remedy.

It has to do with how the well double blinded and placebo controlled test is done, how many people are included in it, and whether it can be replicated by someone else using the same procedure. For pharma companies trying to develop a drug, this is almost always done properly and well in excess of 95% of potential drugs are rejected because they fail these straightforward tests. This is why many drugs are so expensive, all those failures are expensive.

And when they fudge the data, we get crap like Fen-Phen. You will notice that faking or ignoring science led to that problem and doing the real science identified the problem. That's the point, the scientific process is self-correcting. You just need to do the tests to prove it.

The exact same process is done on TCM, acupuncture, herbal remedies, homeopathy, etc. and they fail these scientific tests. It's really a very simple thing: is the effect repeatable/dependable and does it have an actual measured effect greater than placebo? Also if it's putative drug (ie: herbals) does it have a dose-response curve? Ie: if you give a greater dose, does it have a greater measured effect?

If there's no effect to measure, then what's the point? The alternative remedies which fail these tests are what get marginalized by mainstream medicine. Because they don't work. So all we get is special pleading that maybe the next time or the time after that it'll really work.