Zen 4 CPU prices fall dramatically, Ryzen 9 7950X is now down to $554

yRaz

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Looking at the list prices I said before launch these parts were a tad too high, especially if the intel rivals ended up as fast or slightly faster. That has proven to be the case and so the discounts were expected.

However it is the 3D cache versions that I feel a lot of people are waiting for as gamers. All the benchmarks of these new parts reviews have posted showed that the 5800X3D is a major problem. It usually matches or beats these newer parts in games and of course it is far cheaper to build into a new system. AMD are providing their strongest competition in that segment.

I think that performance bodes well for 3D cache versions perhaps early next year. It is likely the 8 core and (hopefully) a 6 core with extra cache will be devastating gaming processors for years to come. Better and cheaper board selection by then, cheaper DDR5, glut of cheap SSDs. Ok the economic situation is not great in many regions and that will continue but I see the market heating up a lot more early 2023.
Supply of the 5800x3d is drying up. And, frankly, if the 5800x3d is anything to go on I can't wait for the 7700x3d. I'm keeping an eye out for ddr5 sales and a b650 motherboard. I don't know how I managed to make it so long with an 1800x. I could just never decide 3800x, 5600x ,5800x3d. Now I'm just going with a full platform upgrade.

I'm still on a b350 motherboard, lol
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 3,772   +6,596
The costs are too damn high. When your mobos cost as much as the CPU and they provide maybe a 20% boost over the 5000 series which can be had for pennies now (you can buy a 5600 and b550 mobo for the price of a 7600x) and you have to use more expensive DDR5 RAM, all in an inflation rattled market, yeah your sales are gonna suck.

B series boards should not be in the mid $200 range. The most expensive B550 boards were $159 ish and those were built well enough to justify the price increase. B650s shoudlnt be much more, $250 is highway robbery.
Supply of the 5800x3d is drying up. And, frankly, if the 5800x3d is anything to go on I can't wait for the 7700x3d. I'm keeping an eye out for ddr5 sales and a b650 motherboard. I don't know how I managed to make it so long with an 1800x. I could just never decide 3800x, 5600x ,5800x3d. Now I'm just going with a full platform upgrade.

I'm still on a b350 motherboard, lol
Unless you do high refresh rate gaming the 5800x3d is unnecessary, any of the 5000 series will be fast enough for the entire generation and much of the next. Taking minimum 1% lows from 90 to 110 doesnt matter if you game at 60 FPS after all.
 

takaozo

Posts: 422   +647
Last time I bought an CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU+MB with my money was in 2005 before this 5600x.
In the meantime I got for free from work some 3 years old Intel cpu's that came in Dell office systems that were decommissioned:
Core 2 duo 6300
Core i7 860
Core i7 4790
Core i7 6700
I skipped AMD for 15 years till I got this year the R5 5600x.
Platform upgrade was always the thing for me, never upgraded the CPU only.
Good thing I was able to source CPU's, HDD's, SSD's and RAM for free.
The Dell MB are crappy as hell for home use since they were BTX or some other form factor, so never used them.
Now about this AM5 thing, maybe when the AM4 will be obsolete. Until then........
 

yRaz

Posts: 4,815   +5,999
The costs are too damn high. When your mobos cost as much as the CPU and they provide maybe a 20% boost over the 5000 series which can be had for pennies now (you can buy a 5600 and b550 mobo for the price of a 7600x) and you have to use more expensive DDR5 RAM, all in an inflation rattled market, yeah your sales are gonna suck.

B series boards should not be in the mid $200 range. The most expensive B550 boards were $159 ish and those were built well enough to justify the price increase. B650s shoudlnt be much more, $250 is highway robbery.
Unless you do high refresh rate gaming the 5800x3d is unnecessary, any of the 5000 series will be fast enough for the entire generation and much of the next. Taking minimum 1% lows from 90 to 110 doesnt matter if you game at 60 FPS after all.
I don't know what your budget and priorities are, but don't tell me what mine should be. Buying a high-end AM4 board with the features I want is the cost of a b650. If I'm going to invest in a new CPU and motherboard ANYWAY, I might as well go with the latest and greatest.

This rig has an 1800x, b350 and 16gigs of ddr4-3600 in it. If I want to add ram and guarantee stability with dual channel memory then I'm also going to have to buy a new memory kit.

I've been bouncing between motherboards, cpus and memory kits for months now trying to figure out what makes the most sense for the most money. 7700x3d will be faster than the 5800x3d. I'm just going to do a platform upgrade and be done with it. If I HAD to save money then I probably would have just dropped a 5600 in and moved on, but I don't. I've spent way too much of my time trying to find a way to save money when I don't need to. I'm going AM5, have a budget and will be looking for deals iver Christmas. I'll probably pay the early adopter tax and maybe even the scalper tax trying to get a 7700x3d regardless of performance numbers.

And after 5 years, I don't actually feel a need to upgrade but the writing is on the wall, this system is starting to show its age. If for $800 I can have a system that after 5 years I don't feel a need to upgrade from then I'll say that I very much got my money's worth out of it
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 3,772   +6,596
I don't know what your budget and priorities are, but don't tell me what mine should be. Buying a high-end AM4 board with the features I want is the cost of a b650. If I'm going to invest in a new CPU and motherboard ANYWAY, I might as well go with the latest and greatest.

This rig has an 1800x, b350 and 16gigs of ddr4-3600 in it. If I want to add ram and guarantee stability with dual channel memory then I'm also going to have to buy a new memory kit.

I've been bouncing between motherboards, cpus and memory kits for months now trying to figure out what makes the most sense for the most money. 7700x3d will be faster than the 5800x3d. I'm just going to do a platform upgrade and be done with it. If I HAD to save money then I probably would have just dropped a 5600 in and moved on, but I don't. I've spent way too much of my time trying to find a way to save money when I don't need to. I'm going AM5, have a budget and will be looking for deals iver Christmas. I'll probably pay the early adopter tax and maybe even the scalper tax trying to get a 7700x3d regardless of performance numbers.

And after 5 years, I don't actually feel a need to upgrade but the writing is on the wall, this system is starting to show its age. If for $800 I can have a system that after 5 years I don't feel a need to upgrade from then I'll say that I very much got my money's worth out of it
Bruh, chill. I was just commenting on the 5800x3d being a big part of the reason upgrades are not being made, not attacking your build. If you wanna brag about spending oodles of cash on your newest build, justify it all you want in the comments, but other people are gonna comment on it, and that's something you need to be comfortable with if you comment on things publicly.
 

Marco Mint

Posts: 15   +35
I saw the 7950X drop another €100 today and couldn't resist, so ordered that with Asus TUF X670E-plus wifi and 32GB of 6000mhz G-skill ram. It will be quite the upgrade from my 4790K, which lasted what must be 8 years? I think I got my moneys worth out of that.
 

yRaz

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Bruh, chill. I was just commenting on the 5800x3d being a big part of the reason upgrades are not being made, not attacking your build. If you wanna brag about spending oodles of cash on your newest build, justify it all you want in the comments, but other people are gonna comment on it, and that's something you need to be comfortable with if you comment on things publicly.
Telling people to invest in a full am4 platform at this point is like buying an HDDVD player after everyone said they were going blu-ray. It's a waste of money unless you absolutely need to save every penny right then.

Wait a year, prices have already started to come down significantly. A b650 has more features on it than an x570 and costs about the same. I get it that ddr5 is "expensive" but I'd argue that the price is just no longer negligible, as it was with ddr4.

Part if the reason I decided to go AM5 is that the prices have been coming down and will continue to come down. The cost of an AM5 system now is what I was willing to spend on AM4 6 months ago.

I'm not spending oodles of money so I can brag about it, better hardware has fallen into my budget. So then I'm stuck with 2 choices, do I stick with my budget or save money and buy what I wanted 6 months ago. I choose to stick with my budget and invest in a newer platform longer term because at the end ifnthe AM5 platforms life I might again be stuck with the same problem I have now. In 5-6 years I might choose to save the money instead of spend my budget or the 8000 or 9000 series could be mindblowing.
 

Marco Mint

Posts: 15   +35
People only think the DDR5 ram is expensive. Check out some low latency DDR4 3600mhz ram and then compare the price to DDR5 6000mhz low latency ram and see that the DDR4 is MORE expensive by €70!
 

Geralt

Posts: 1,307   +2,094
I don't know what your budget and priorities are, but don't tell me what mine should be. Buying a high-end AM4 board with the features I want is the cost of a b650. If I'm going to invest in a new CPU and motherboard ANYWAY, I might as well go with the latest and greatest.

This rig has an 1800x, b350 and 16gigs of ddr4-3600 in it. If I want to add ram and guarantee stability with dual channel memory then I'm also going to have to buy a new memory kit.

I've been bouncing between motherboards, cpus and memory kits for months now trying to figure out what makes the most sense for the most money. 7700x3d will be faster than the 5800x3d. I'm just going to do a platform upgrade and be done with it. If I HAD to save money then I probably would have just dropped a 5600 in and moved on, but I don't. I've spent way too much of my time trying to find a way to save money when I don't need to. I'm going AM5, have a budget and will be looking for deals iver Christmas. I'll probably pay the early adopter tax and maybe even the scalper tax trying to get a 7700x3d regardless of performance numbers.

And after 5 years, I don't actually feel a need to upgrade but the writing is on the wall, this system is starting to show its age. If for $800 I can have a system that after 5 years I don't feel a need to upgrade from then I'll say that I very much got my money's worth out of it
Come on, boy, drop the money you have for a 7950X and a super ROG AM5 mobo, and stop reasoning like a beggar 😂😝
 

Geralt

Posts: 1,307   +2,094
I saw the 7950X drop another €100 today and couldn't resist, so ordered that with Asus TUF X670E-plus wifi and 32GB of 6000mhz G-skill ram. It will be quite the upgrade from my 4790K, which lasted what must be 8 years? I think I got my moneys worth out of that.
At last someone going hardcore!
 

Dr Roboto

Posts: 52   +119
The problem is the AMD motherboards are still about $75-100 more than the Intel options. This CPU price drop was much needed and they are finally competitive. I spent time yesterday looking at an upgrade with black Friday practically here.

Price includes 6% tax in the US.

Intel Core i5-13600K $320
Z690 motherboard $200 (numerous options)
Total $520

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X $250
X670 motherboard $275 (cheapest with many $300)
Total $525
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 1,310   +958
Well the one good thing is because of their chiplet design they still have plenty of margin to cut prices. So while it seems like people are calling fire, for AMD there is still plenty of money to be made on the silicon.

Saw GN YT video with AMD on Chiplets for GPU - multiple chiplet sizes 5nm, 7nm, 14nm - was compelling
 

DukeJukem

Posts: 310   +342
AM5 motherboards are expensive. It is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of potential buyers. I want to replace my old i5-4670k, but its difficult to make a decision, what with prices being all over the place.
as someone who finally retired his 4790k this year for a 12400f build, I'd say pull the trigger. the jump I notice, even on a non k cpu was quite a nice upgrade. with as long as you run your hardware it sounds like the am5 platform will be money well spent for you, even if it is a little pricey.
 

Athlonite

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Prices have dropped here but still over 1K

2022-11-23 14.29.31 pricespy.co.nz dad1c8a35973.jpg
so went from $1399 down to $1098 still big woop that's still to expensive when you also factor in the price of a new mobo and DDR5 ram here
$1098 + $1178.99 + $465.00 = $2,741.99 Gougelandastani Plunkettes (NZ Dollars)
 

godrilla

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Update Microcenter officially updated prices for zen4 but now have $20 off motherboard combo bundle and still free 32 gigs gskill 6ghz ram kits. Fyi
 
The first ryzen is a catch because performance same as intel and half the price = bang for the bucks
but when you get same performance as intel and the price also about the same ..the market will decide

 

godrilla

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The 7700x are flying off the shelves. I was able to get the last one today at local Microcenter with free ram kit. There were a few people on line to get them but they were already sold out. While the z670e strix mini itx was expensive the $20 off motherboard, new cpu pricing and free $200 ram kits made it more palatable. Now I can check what system bottlenecks my z390 strix itx with 9900ks held for the 4090 suprim liquid.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 8,270   +7,622
If you always play the waiting game, you're never going to buy anything.

Wait for the prices to come down a lot....by then something new is just a handful of months away so you wait to see what it offers. Then you like what it offers, but not the price so you wait for the price to come down and by the time it does something else has come along so you wait to see how it performs. Pretty soon you're on your death bed and you've never purchased anything because you're always waiting for the next best deal or next best thing, you never got to enjoy anything because you couldn't decide.
Studies show that those who are able to delay gratification are happier. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...er/201712/the-benefits-delaying-gratification
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 8,270   +7,622
Personally, with up to four build that I am planning on making in the next year, I'm glad to see this. My bet is that the prices will stay low, and perhaps drop even further. With articles like this one and the one about 4080s not selling, https://www.techspot.com/article/2573-gpu-pricing-update/ it confirms that the market for PC components is weak right now, and the only way they are going to get people like me to buy components is to lower prices. I'm willing to wait, and I have no problems doing so. IMO, jumping on first day pricing is not wise. As @QuantumPhysics would say "The free market is always right." ;)
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 8,270   +7,622
Update Microcenter officially updated prices for zen4 but now have $20 off motherboard combo bundle and still free 32 gigs gskill 6ghz ram kits. Fyi
Not all of us living in the US have a Microcenter nearby. For me, Microcenter is B&H most of the time - via mail order.
 

godrilla

Posts: 583   +315
Not all of us living in the US have a Microcenter nearby.
Yes but I have seen BestBuy say they do price matching the only downside is that ram kit from my research is exclusive to Microcenter. Unless they can match a similar priced ram kit. Wow Just checked their website they still have the old pricing on Bestbuy never mind. If I see any good deals that can be shipped I'll keep you posted.

Update Newegg 7700x now selling for $349 plus additional $10 off

Check this out on @Newegg: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X - 8-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 105W Desktop Processor (100-100000591WOF) https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-19-113-768-_-11232022

7600x for $249 plus $10 off
Check this out on @Newegg: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X - 6-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 105W Desktop Processor (100-100000593WOF) https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-19-113-770-_-11232022
 
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Avro Arrow

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I don't get the point of this. The biggest problem with AM5 is the fact that the motherboards are over $100 more expensive than people are generally willing to pay. Reducing the prices of CPUs by $50-75 isn't going to change that.

The drop of $145 would definitely make a difference but the problem there is that it's on the R9-7950X which the vast majority of people aren't interested in. Hardware has always outpaced software but in recent years, the competition that has resulted from AMD, Intel and nVidia all trying to outdo each other has resulted in hardware that is incredibly long-lived.

With my R7-5800X3D, RX 6800 XT and 32GB of DDR4-3200 mounted on my ASRock X570 Pro4 motherboard, it's not completely out of the question that I could be looking at being a perfectly satisfied gamer for another ten years without upgrading. As insane as that statement sounds, there are things that point to it being possible.

#1 The CPU:
The ten year-old FX-8350 can still run most games at playable framerates. Games like Doom Eternal, The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, COD: Warzone and Red Dead Redemption 2 are perfectly playable while games that are known to be CPU-bound or badly optimised like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk 2077 or GTA V don't fare so well (although GTA V is considered playable overall, there are some weird bits).

The FX-8350 was almost universally (and as an owner of one, I say undeservedly) panned by the tech press but can still game in 2022, 10 years after its release. Now, just imagine what a CPU that the tech press hails as a gaming monster like the R7-5800X3D will be able to do 10 years after it's release.

#2 The GPU:
This might be the only thing that doesn't survive that long but who knows? The R9 Fury from 2015 can still game and is only held back by its 4GB VRAM buffer (which was considered small for a high-end card in 2015). Sure, it's HBM and that does make it capable of doing some things that no 4GB card should be able to but overall, it would be a lot more viable today if it had 6 or 8GB of GDDR5.

Nevertheless, I can personally attest to the fact that it can still game today. even having been able to run Godfall on it. Now, I'm not going to say that Godfall is a great game because it's not but it is a graphical masterpiece and very hard on GPUs. A 16GB high-end card will have great longevity, especially being a Radeon card. Here's something amazing that I came across from a small tech channel on YouTube called Hardware Lab:
It's a long video but it's one of the most insightful that I've ever seen (and I've seen A LOT).

The AM4 platform is unquestionably the greatest PC platform ever released. Never before had a platform with such a great combination of economy, performance and (especially) longevity ever existed. It not only brought AMD back from the brink but it also made AMD a mainstream name. The problem that they're now seeing is that AM4 isn't really ready to retire and the cost of AM5 is simply too high to justify upgrading when it isn't really needed.

AMD is the both the benefactor and the victim of its own creation. They're a stronger company because AM4 exists but AM4 is also a very tough act to follow. Their implementation of AM5 has been less than stellar, asking far more than they should, especially from the motherboard chipsets. When you factor in the amazing deals being offered on Zen 3 CPUs, it only makes AM5 even more nonsensical.

The performance of AM4 is nowhere near obsolete, quite the contrary in fact. AM4 CPUs and motherboards with DDR4 still deliver excellent performance. Another problem is that Zen 4 is somehow less efficient than Zen 3. As many reviewers have noted, the most efficient productivity CPU in the world right now is the R9-5950X, an AM4 CPU. It's performance-to-watt ratio is completely off the charts and somehow, AMD couldn't deliver the same efficiency with Zen 4.

Just look at these blender charts showing the performance and then power consumption of these Intel and AMD CPUs.

First, the performance chart where we see the R9-7950X just destroy everything else, showing itself to be the true performance champion, defeating the R9-5950X by 42%:
Blender-p.webp

However, the consumption chart reveals its dirty little secret which is that it took 61% more power to do so:
Power-p.webp

The efficiency of Zen-4 is, to put it mildly, just bad. Even the R5-7600X drew more juice than the R9-5950X. Tell me, in what universe does a SIX-CORE CPU draw more power than the previous generation's SIXTEEN-CORE CPU??? How the hell does that even happen??? The answer of course is that the AM4-based Zen-3 CPUs are simply much more efficient than Zen-4. Sure, you can use Eco-Mode to mitigate this but then the performance delta isn't big enough to warrant an upgrade in the first place.

If Raptor lake wasn't so obviously TERRIBLE in performance-per-watt, I would have called Zen-4 a failed launch. Fortunately for AMD, we can always count on Intel to be even worse than they are and this shows that very well. Unfortunately for AMD, Raptor Lake CPUs are cheaper and have better gaming numbers than Zen-4. Unfortunately for Intel and AMD, their next-gen gaming CPUs mostly get their a$$es handed to them by the R7-5800X3D.

For owners of AM4 platforms (like me), I'm more than happy with what I have and I don't see that changing for many years to come. For the people buying Intel's 13th-gen, I understand if you're not a gamer but if you are a gamer and you're building from scratch, AM5 is a better option than LGA 1700. Sure, Raptor Lake CPUs tend to be better values than Zen-4 but keep in mind that you'll have to buy a new motherboard with your next upgrade NO MATTER WHAT. If you're just doing a budget gaming build and are therefore ok with that, AM4 is a better value than LGA 1700.

In gaming performance, the R5-5600 is similar to the i5-12400F:
1080p.png

However, the cost of a B550/R5-5600 combo is $46 less than an i5-12400F/B650 combo:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600: $129
ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming D: $85
Total: $214

Intel i5-12400F: $180 (I chose BestBuy because at least I could tell it had free shipping)
ASRock B660M-HDV: $80
Total: $260

It may seem like $46 is nothing to write home about but it does pay for 16GB of DDR4:
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 - $43

If you're building a whole new PC, the less you invest in a dead platform, the better.
 

Geralt

Posts: 1,307   +2,094
I don't get the point of this. The biggest problem with AM5 is the fact that the motherboards are over $100 more expensive than people are generally willing to pay. Reducing the prices of CPUs by $50-75 isn't going to change that.

The drop of $145 would definitely make a difference but the problem there is that it's on the R9-7950X which the vast majority of people aren't interested in. Hardware has always outpaced software but in recent years, the competition that has resulted from AMD, Intel and nVidia all trying to outdo each other has resulted in hardware that is incredibly long-lived.

With my R7-5800X3D, RX 6800 XT and 32GB of DDR4-3200 mounted on my ASRock X570 Pro4 motherboard, it's not completely out of the question that I could be looking at being a perfectly satisfied gamer for another ten years without upgrading. As insane as that statement sounds, there are things that point to it being possible.

#1 The CPU:
The ten year-old FX-8350 can still run most games at playable framerates. Games like Doom Eternal, The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, COD: Warzone and Red Dead Redemption 2 are perfectly playable while games that are known to be CPU-bound or badly optimised like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk 2077 or GTA V don't fare so well (although GTA V is considered playable overall, there are some weird bits).

The FX-8350 was almost universally (and as an owner of one, I say undeservedly) panned by the tech press but can still game in 2022, 10 years after its release. Now, just imagine what a CPU that the tech press hails as a gaming monster like the R7-5800X3D will be able to do 10 years after it's release.

#2 The GPU:
This might be the only thing that doesn't survive that long but who knows? The R9 Fury from 2015 can still game and is only held back by its 4GB VRAM buffer (which was considered small for a high-end card in 2015). Sure, it's HBM and that does make it capable of doing some things that no 4GB card should be able to but overall, it would be a lot more viable today if it had 6 or 8GB of GDDR5.

Nevertheless, I can personally attest to the fact that it can still game today. even having been able to run Godfall on it. Now, I'm not going to say that Godfall is a great game because it's not but it is a graphical masterpiece and very hard on GPUs. A 16GB high-end card will have great longevity, especially being a Radeon card. Here's something amazing that I came across from a small tech channel on YouTube called Hardware Lab:
It's a long video but it's one of the most insightful that I've ever seen (and I've seen A LOT).

The AM4 platform is unquestionably the greatest PC platform ever released. Never before had a platform with such a great combination of economy, performance and (especially) longevity ever existed. It not only brought AMD back from the brink but it also made AMD a mainstream name. The problem that they're now seeing is that AM4 isn't really ready to retire and the cost of AM5 is simply too high to justify upgrading when it isn't really needed.

AMD is the both the benefactor and the victim of its own creation. They're a stronger company because AM4 exists but AM4 is also a very tough act to follow. Their implementation of AM5 has been less than stellar, asking far more than they should, especially from the motherboard chipsets. When you factor in the amazing deals being offered on Zen 3 CPUs, it only makes AM5 even more nonsensical.

The performance of AM4 is nowhere near obsolete, quite the contrary in fact. AM4 CPUs and motherboards with DDR4 still deliver excellent performance. Another problem is that Zen 4 is somehow less efficient than Zen 3. As many reviewers have noted, the most efficient productivity CPU in the world right now is the R9-5950X, an AM4 CPU. It's performance-to-watt ratio is completely off the charts and somehow, AMD couldn't deliver the same efficiency with Zen 4.

Just look at these blender charts showing the performance and then power consumption of these Intel and AMD CPUs.

First, the performance chart where we see the R9-7950X just destroy everything else, showing itself to be the true performance champion, defeating the R9-5950X by 42%:
Blender-p.webp

However, the consumption chart reveals its dirty little secret which is that it took 61% more power to do so:
Power-p.webp

The efficiency of Zen-4 is, to put it mildly, just bad. Even the R5-7600X drew more juice than the R9-5950X. Tell me, in what universe does a SIX-CORE CPU draw more power than the previous generation's SIXTEEN-CORE CPU??? How the hell does that even happen??? The answer of course is that the AM4-based Zen-3 CPUs are simply much more efficient than Zen-4. Sure, you can use Eco-Mode to mitigate this but then the performance delta isn't big enough to warrant an upgrade in the first place.

If Raptor lake wasn't so obviously TERRIBLE in performance-per-watt, I would have called Zen-4 a failed launch. Fortunately for AMD, we can always count on Intel to be even worse than they are and this shows that very well. Unfortunately for AMD, Raptor Lake CPUs are cheaper and have better gaming numbers than Zen-4. Unfortunately for Intel and AMD, their next-gen gaming CPUs mostly get their a$$es handed to them by the R7-5800X3D.

For owners of AM4 platforms (like me), I'm more than happy with what I have and I don't see that changing for many years to come. For the people buying Intel's 13th-gen, I understand if you're not a gamer but if you are a gamer and you're building from scratch, AM5 is a better option than LGA 1700. Sure, Raptor Lake CPUs tend to be better values than Zen-4 but keep in mind that you'll have to buy a new motherboard with your next upgrade NO MATTER WHAT. If you're just doing a budget gaming build and are therefore ok with that, AM4 is a better value than LGA 1700.

In gaming performance, the R5-5600 is similar to the i5-12400F:
1080p.png

However, the cost of a B550/R5-5600 combo is $46 less than an i5-12400F/B650 combo:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600: $129
ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming D: $85
Total: $214

Intel i5-12400F: $180 (I chose BestBuy because at least I could tell it had free shipping)
ASRock B660M-HDV: $80
Total: $260

It may seem like $46 is nothing to write home about but it does pay for 16GB of DDR4:
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 - $43

If you're building a whole new PC, the less you invest in a dead platform, the better.
Another TechSpot inside TechSpot maybe ;)
 

neeyik

Posts: 2,261   +2,729
Staff member
The efficiency of Zen-4 is, to put it mildly, just bad. Even the R5-7600X drew more juice than the R9-5950X. Tell me, in what universe does a SIX-CORE CPU draw more power than the previous generation's SIXTEEN-CORE CPU??? How the hell does that even happen??? The answer of course is that the AM4-based Zen-3 CPUs are simply much more efficient than Zen-4. Sure, you can use Eco-Mode to mitigate this but then the performance delta isn't big enough to warrant an upgrade in the first place.
It helps to view the Blender figures as a total energy consumption to complete the test:
13600K_energy_consumption.png
The 7600X system required 195 kJ of energy to do the test, whereas the 5950X system needed 105 kJ. At face value, this suggests that the 7600X system has half the efficiency of the 5950X system, but it's 6C/12T CPU versus a 16C/32T one. So the latter can use three times more threads to complete the test - so it does it quicker, thus using less energy in total.

Another thing to bear in mind is that different motherboard manufacturers set different power limits, but Zen 4 CPUs do have higher power limits than Zen 3 ones - the TDP/PL1 of the 7600X is 105W, whereas the 5600X was just 65W. In the case of the 5950X, it may also be the case that when all cores are fully loaded, the BIOS may be limiting the power.