There’s arguably no video game level that’s more iconic than World 1-1 of Super Mario Bros. From diehard gamers to grandparents, the stage has been played by millions around the globe. As you may have guessed, its creation – and ultimate status in pop culture – wasn’t exactly a happy coincidence.

Eurogamer recently had the opportunity to catch up with Nintendo’s Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka and sit in on a discussion about how the iconic level came about. There’s also some bonus footage below that shows the two creators playing Super Mario Maker. Enjoy!

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