AMD FX-8150, FX Series Review - Bulldozer makes debut

Agree, don't see anything in the pipeline that gives AMD much of a chance on the desktop. Even worse is the bogus marketing propaganda that led many (myself included) to believe that the FX series was going to help level the playing field. This is a very disappointing outcome.

WTF? u all are stupid ****** !!! what r u guys talking about , why r u comparing old applications and game to the FX8150 ? how about comparing BF3 ????


http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_gameplay_performance_review/2

Bulldozer wins !!!!!! everyones going crazy and jizzes all over their I7s and I5s hahahahhaah "AMD is Dead" "pets my I5" lmfao .. once again

http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_gameplay_performance_review/2

@Leeky & Mizzou

We all now have more time to save up for Ivy which I'm sure will be needed with these BD results =P .

Whatever you decide on will be an upgrade for sure. I say you should see what kind of budget you have to work with and if your current system can hold on for another half a year till Ivy. If you have the budget now and don't want to hold on any longer, Sandy is probably the best route.

Huh?

Quoting myself here since you likely didn't read any comments: "HardOCP did some runs on the BF3 beta this past week and the 8150 came out slightly ahead. However the average results pretty much lined up with the 2500/2600 and I doubt anyone could tell the difference game play wise. Guess we'll see at the end of the month what's best for retail, but I'd say any would work and gamers should focus more on their video cards if they have a decent quadcore."

"WTF? u all are stupid ****** !!! what r u guys talking about , why r u comparing old applications and game to the FX8150 ? how about comparing BF3 ????"

That isn't going to sway many people in thinking the FX8150 is all that. And asking if everyone is stupid? What are you %&#$ing 4 years old?

Their only setup was a single 6970 with with all three cpu. They didn't try using an nvidia card, 570 or 580. It was just a quick look and even they show only a 5% difference. BF3 is still in it's beta so numbers can possibly change upon final release and driver updates and their are other factors to consider.

If they, or anyone is going to bother they should at least do it right.

FX 8150 - 6950, 6970, 570, 580
i5 2500k - 6950, 6970, 570, 580
i7 2600k - 6950, 6970, 570, 580

Different resolutions, SLI, and Crossfire.

Further more, even their own main review shows it competing with the i5 with the i7 still on top. They even go as far as to say,

"Would I put an AMD FX in a system I might be building? I can say, "Yes I would, as long as it is not for a geek." But if you asked me if I will be putting an AMD FX in my next personal system I would probably have to tell you, "No." If I had to build a system for myself tonight, it would have a Intel Core i7-2600K in it. I can't point to the AMD FX-8150 or FX-8120 being a bad choice, but I just do not think either of those is the best choice."

http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_desktop_performance_review/10

John ?....
John Fruehe ?

I have a few questions...

like.....
who makes your graphs?
where is the other 32%
When you say 15% improvement each gen, are you using earth math...or...?

The weird part of all this...

Obrovsky (OBR) has more credibility than anyone at AMD.

2500K's are great, mine arrives tomorrow. but if you arent 12 years old, you have a real problem.

remember what I said about this getting past the entire Corporation of AMD?....Damn!
if they really think that they are on to something here 'forward thinking' why after 5 years , just wait another 6 months...or year?
Think heads will roll on this Chef? or was everyone too complicit for Rory to extract a pound of flesh? or!...was this the reason they forwent the likes of Bergman?

Oddly enough, after digesting the numbers, the 8150/8120 looks like it would work very well for me, but as far as desktops go, I am about as a niche market as you get.

AMD are already in cover-up mode. If you look at their site you'd be hard pressed to judge that a brand new CPU architecture launched yesterday.
Meanwhile the AMD PR machine is hard at work on the message boards and forums. The bulletpoints:
> It's Globalfoundries fault
> It's Dirk Meyer's fault
> It's Windows 7 fault (Hans de Vries seems quite insistant)
> It's software developers fault (for not tailoring software for BD)
> Just wait for Piledriver (Just what 10-15% improvement over BD is supposed to achieve against Ivy Bridge isn't actually very clear)

AMD (Another Marketing Debacle) have laid almost all their portion of blame at Dirk's door - probably fair in some respects as he oversaw the development- what doesn't make sense is that Dirk didn't sign off on releasing BD (Hello Thomas Seifert and Rory Read), and Dirk certainly wasn't a part of the ongoing FUD/PR campaign to keep expectation high with bogus performance estimates (Hello JF-AMD) and to facilitate sales of 990 series chipset motherboards and to deter people from going Sandy Bridge.
So, it's easier to blame the guys who aren't there...in fact if Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator/Plastic Bucket&Spade end up uncompetitive they will still be blamed because the core architecture was designed on their watch. Rory and Co get a free pass with just the occasional executive dismissal as sacrificial offering.
Repeat as required

I'm guessing FX stands for Fully eXaggerated

Maybe some 3D Rendering times would have been advantagous to the 8 core Bulldozer VS a quadcore I7 2600k.

Most certainly. Any heavily threaded render engine (POV Ray, Blender etc.) should benefit Bulldozer...and if 3D rendering is your primary focus then BD could be high on your list for upgrade/purchase. How cost effective it would be is another matter entirely- most render farms need to take power consumption (and to a lesser degree, heat dissipation) into account, so I doubt a cheap initial expenditure on BD would offset productivity/watt over Sandy Bridge/Xeon.

I would expect no less from you.
If you're benching/gaming w/multiple GPU's then the CPU is larely immaterial- you could be rocking a 1100T, 2500K or 2400 for that matter.

The differences aren't all that significant at multi-monitor res either.
If you're good with final numbers hobbled by a more restrictive I/O performance then it's good to see that some people willing to stick with AMD while it completes it's enthusiast desktop CPU death spiral

For now will just sit tight with the 1100T since I can't see the FX-8170 delivering significantly more performance than the FX-8150. Ivy Bridge should be coming out in approximately the same time frame and I'll definitely be taking a look.

The good news is that Bulldozer was finally released today, the bad news is that Bulldozer was finally released today

...really?...I didn't know that:rolleyes:

1) And I want to be clear, i said nothing about gaming post review. ..or in my previous post. And for the reason you listed above.
2) I am "rocking " a 1100T
3) I use an inordinate amount of heavily threaded applications,
4) I built a system (knowing the risk) around a 990/AM3+ chipset, and am partly pot committed.
5) it's an improvement over the X6
*****you don't strike as the kind of guy to use "rockin" "****:haha:

Uh huh. quadfire helps Photoshop performance ? Secret bitcoin miner ? looking for E.T. ?

Hey!, You should have said something- I'd never had guessed

Unless you're planning of using TrueCrypt and a handful of other favourable apps., a 2600K will get you there faster and cooler -As would a FirePro card or two. Just sayin'.

I'm thinking you aren't the only one in that particular boat. Cutting and running (esp. with a pricey mobo) would be rather expensive.

Yup.....barely

I'm not. But don't forget that I have an eidetic memory

Point 4 I see as the main reason for going BD...and that's less a choice than being backed into a course of action by some less than scupulous "leaks", forum posts, "white papers", slide decks and AMD presentations...and that is the crux of matter as far as I'm concerned. BD in of itself is not a complete fail by any means -although it fails in every reasonable metric I would value as an "upgrade"- it's the manipulation and deceit that has boxed a fairly sizeable percentage of enthusiasts into either 1. No upgrade path, or 2. An upgrade path which is barely worthy of the name....unless you of the opinion that AMD only just very suddenly realized that the CPU's weren't where they should be performance wise.
How long exactly have AMD known that the CPU wasn't going to meet performance estimates- six months? a year ? AMD have had BD in house for at least a year, and I've never seen any financial conference call, blog, post or announcement from AMD guiding performance down, if anything they've been talking the performance up - a large chunk of their review slide deck has it beating an Intel hexcore ffs.

Not really, or at least, not totally.
AMD are well aware that brand allegience is close to being hardwired into some people- all they did was cash in their good-will chips with the enthusiast community. AMD will be banking on a percentage of their followers having very short memories and will seed forums with the underdog mentality and 99% will buy into the Piledriver message. I give it two weeks before gossip sites start seeding the net with feelgood stories about Globalfoundries "improved yields" and some snippets on how great Trinity is looking.
The only ones who have burnt their bridges are the forum plants/shills -but it's a relatively easy task to reinvent yourself on the net.

Good luck with the BD upgrade - you can offset me, as I won't be recommending AMD CPU's to anyone for the foreseeable future - I'll leave the green camp to work their Business psychology 101 implementation on others.

I will offset you on this chip only, I see all blue in my shop for a while.
It certainly hasn't been painful from a business standpoint. Unless you need a machine that is carrying out 'mostly 'integer' based operations as it were, you can build great high performing machine with AMD. It is probably closer to the truth that AMD cant...or won't be put out of business. Intel would be getting sued to high heaven over collusion based lawsuits on a weekly basis. It seems AMD's R&D dept knows this, and operating in this manner. It has been the case that I 'buy Intel' and I 'support' AMD when I purchase CPU's. That is the end of that philosophy. Unfortunately, I think I am among very few changing their purchasing ideal. The stories i am reading point to these things flying of the shelves. KitGuru had a story that hailed Bulldozer as a "PR Victory' , so they really don't have to compete it seems.
I started thinking this was maybe going sideways in earnest when the last month or so had more PR about Piledriver/vishera/trinity than for the eminent release. Now I have to curb my gag reflex and get to Micro-center for a cookie tin with a CPU in it.

AMD should make a 32nm of the 4 core Phenom 980 BE it would be twice as fast as this crap.