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Backdoor Trojan for Windows ported to Mac OS

By Emil
Feb 28, 2011
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  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,670   +879

    There are an equal number of myths to be "debunked" on the Apple side on the discussion also.

    As far as being "platform agnostic", (which I consider admirable BTW), there are many young people and hard core gamers here that really could not, (and will not), embrace Apple for that very reason.

    Which of course, could lead to a lengthy discussion as to whether we're talking about using a computer for "computery" purposes, or rather as a game console.

    My point is this, I use my computers mostly for imaging. Windows machines are as good as a Mac for this purpose. However, I am really tired of listening to great tales of Apple superiority in this capacity, from a bunch of snobs that think they're artists. As I said before, they know all about how great a Mac is, but they have no basis in computer knowledge to make that claim.

    Most of the malware these ******* pick up, is due to either their own stupidity, or in some combination with a crap a** 6 year old copy of Macafee or Norton installed on the machine.

    The fact that 3rd party apps are necessary for malware prevention in Windows machines is, (IMHO) not a drawback. Windows is an open platform, so most apps are 3rd party apps anyway. So, why should security software be any different?

    I always pose this question, "how is it that I surf porn all day, my computer has no problems, and scans perfectly clean, but you can't go to Facebook without contracting a fatal infection"?

    (That's obviously one Windows user to another).

    As far as the lower cost after the sale with Apple you're purporting, I offer this from our forums; http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic157368.html

    The moral of this story is; if you deal with Apple directly for service, you're going to get screwed all over again after the sale.
  2. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    That's a SIX year old machine. Any repair of an out of warranty machine from any vendor will be expensive - especially a 6 year old one. That is if you could even find it supported at all considering most PC vendors blast out new models like changing toilet paper rolls. It's a testament to the lasting attraction of the well-designed mac hardware that users are satisfied with their performance years beyond winPCs - this is also one of the reasons they fetch a premium at resale.

    In this particular forum entry, in the end he found what he needed at a more reasonable price without much trouble. And since Mac moved to the Intel cpu years ago it has become even easier to find cheap parts for Mac than trying to dig up any custom parts for the 10,000,000 differently designed mostly one-off PC machines.

    Mac are continually year after year rated best support in the industry (see Consumer Reports). That means better than the rest though definitely far from perfect.
  3. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 752   +12

    Because custom built computers will have customer reports, right?
  4. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    Your thesis operates under the mistaken assumption that your posts are funny.
  5. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 752   +12

    Wait, the definition of funny doesn't include laughing *at* someone for their actions?

    I thought he was hilarious, thank you for educating me otherwise.
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,670   +879

    Well, that's the beauty of universal plug and play. "10,000,000" Windows machines can all be repaired with few dozen standard pars. Now try buying parts for a Macbook "Air" at Newegg. Whoops, and away it goes, back to China.

    Coincidentally, Apple's sales skyrocketed when they embraced Intel CPUs, and began dual booting with Windows. Of course, Apple takes all the credit. Small matter that they've turned the Mac into a PC ripoff.

    Well of course they are. That's because the people that buy them can't fix them themselves. Keep in mind that a lot of s*** has to break before you can become #1 in service. :rolleyes:
  7. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,836   +667

  8. Wagan8r

    Wagan8r TS Guru Posts: 592   +45

    Wait, remind me again why I have Apple envy? I can't remember. I forgot to take my shimmering magicalness pill this morning.
  9. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,670   +879

    Not only that, but you didn't save enough to get me high.
  10. Chazz

    Chazz TS Enthusiast Posts: 633   +60

    You guys aren't giving Apple credit where it's due. Name ONE other manufacturer that has successfully found AND extracted Unicorn horns and pixie dust to give us such magical game changing systems. Considering their materials, their price is a bargin!
  11. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    You guys are a bunch of silly banana heads!
     
  12. Wagan8r

    Wagan8r TS Guru Posts: 592   +45

    Then you're in good company! Hooray!
  13. CamaroMullet

    CamaroMullet TS Rookie Posts: 115

    I'm in my mid 30's, been building PC's for about 15 years. I've always had multiple pcs, my primary ( the kids don't touch!! ) and 1 or 2 more for htpc and the kids. Every 5 to 6 months I have to do a good reformatting on the kids pc, they don't know **** about computers and download/install all weird kinds of crap.

    Last year I got a REALLY good deal on a newish intel macbook pro. It's the new "kid" computer and I have to admit I haven't had nearly the amount of garbage/issues as I've had with my pcs. My point is, for none to low level tech knowledge, non-gamer types Apple's are perfect for them. If you can build or trouble shoot pc issues or a gamer, sticking with a pc IMO is the only option.
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,670   +879

  15. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,836   +667

  16. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 275

    "Placing a full screen window with a message that only allows you to click reboot"

    lol!

    This is a pretty rotten deal for Apple users. I hope it wakes them up to the reality that their supposedly 'secure' machine isn't all it's cracked up to be.
  17. Macara

    Macara TS Rookie

    As a long time Mac and PC user (have owned 5 Macs from 68k thru PowerPC to Intel) I can honestly say that when it comes down to it this day in age with the Intel switch you're mostly paying a premium for that shiny apple logo'd case.
    Chipset to chipset it's the same PC hardware you'll find in midrange systems, take into consideration that the only actually apple branded 6 components on a MacBook are: webcam, trackpad, keyboard, AC-adapter, battery and casing. I give apple credit where credit due but I feel it's a bit of a stretch to call the hardware superior or to argue that theres some sort of value to buying a Mac over a PC, the markup for the hardware you get is not exactly justifiable by value at all, in my case it comes down to a trackpad that I like for design on the go, if not for that I would spend the same cost on a higher end PC, and in fact thats the way I will likely go next upgrade.

    As far as the OS goes, if you're moderately savvy you can mostly get what you want done on any OS be it OS X, Windows or Linux with varying degrees of compromise, Windows I would agree is the least compromising when it comes to running what you want to run. The "Mac's are better for design" argument doesn't hold water either when anyone into serious design will be using Adobe products which are available on Windows and OS X.

    I tend to side more with the PC crowd when it comes to debate due to the Mac side tending to be less logical and more hype based, quick to insult the opposing side.

    Use what you like, it's all personal preference, use whatever OS and hardware appeals to you is what I say.
  18. krayzie

    krayzie TS Rookie Posts: 62

    hey guys i have a crapbook air and id like to put more ram in it.. oh wait i cant...

    hey guys i have a crapbook air and id like to replace the battery... oh wait i cant i have to send it away

    hey guys i have a crapbook air and id like to <insert piece of hardware you want to replace here> ..... oh wait i cant...
  19. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    The fact so many of you feel the need to make so many half-baked remarks just reinforces the Apple-envy theory.

    Even funnier, no pc manufacturer can even come up with anything as good as the crapbook air for the same price or less. Bye bye Adamo.

    If you know computers well than any platform will work - but don't think your really saving much money. If you are the typical consumer then Mac is king and deservedly so unless you like pain.

    And BTW, professional audio on the Windows is a PITA. Maybe one day Microsoft will actually fix MMCSS but don't hold your breathe.

    Meanwhile I'm going to go salvage in the dump for all those 3 year old pcs that no one could get a penny for. :)~
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,670   +879

    The fact that you feel the need to propagate and perpetuate this discussion makes me think you're simply run of the mill troll. And that, I assure you, is nothing to be envious of, no matter what platform you own, or which platform you're talking out your a** about.

    The only thing you've actually convinced me of, is how inarticulate, plodding, brainwashed and dogmatic the average member of the "Apple Corp" really is.

    It's sad actually, you really do think you're funny. And someday, if mindless repetition becomes a standard for humor, you will be.
  21. Macara

    Macara TS Rookie

    The fact that you keep trolling the comments as a self proclaimed superior mac user just makes the competent mac users look bad, you're either an obvious troll or suffering from a psychosis brought on through insecurity and inadequacy in your personal life, much like the other bleeding heart Apple fanboys. I feel soiled being in the same userbase as you people at times and it leads me to want to discontinue using Apple products entirely for not wanting to be thrown into the fold with the cult-like fanboys.

    It's a computer, it's a tool and it's not even comparing apples to oranges anymore since the Intel switch.

    Start an argument then act as if you're on the higher ground, trolling, immaturity or somewhere between I suppose.
  22. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 275

    I don't think people here are terribly envious of the people who bought Mac's under the pretense that Apple's PC's do not get viruses. Whether or not Apple is superior for A/V or ergonomics is not the issue; the issue is that a considerable number of Apple users bought their PC's with the aim of never having to deal with a problem, and this throws them a huge curveball.

    Apple is going to have a harder time with the 'it just works' mantra as occurrences like this continue to increase in frequency.
  23. krayzie

    krayzie TS Rookie Posts: 62

    to be quite honest, i think everyone is sick of all the wanna be trendy people who use apple as a fashion accessory just like steve jobs has marketed as..

    apple has not done anything new, they just have been smart at how they do it..
  24. R3DP3NGUIN

    R3DP3NGUIN TS Enthusiast Posts: 154

    I think Mac is a complete waste of time and money. why pay thousands when you can get ubuntu for free on any computer, even better you can get the Mac OSX theme for ubuntu if your that keen.
  25. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,048   +75

    After reading these comments, I've considered dozens of PCs I've 'advised' about purchasing/upgrading to my friends/ family over the last year, and out of all these systems only one came up with any sort of issue, if one can call it, and at the end of the day it was issue with a crappy old ACER LCD. Furthermore, from my years while I was still working in IT, 'reported issues' %age on year to year basis never exceeded 1-1.5% range for me, which is beyond acceptable and that include any Virus/Malware issues. So either you don't get out of your 'Apple World' frequently enough or ......

    CC: Don't you think 'Apple Bug' causes serious delusional tendencies in its 'carriers' ?


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