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Comp Specs What You Think?

By XtR-X
Jun 22, 2003
  1. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    Lol. Wow you're 14, just wow.

    Hey I started making websites when I was 12, hehe. Now I'm 16 and I make professional websites for people.

    I've always been making HTML sites but now I'm movin on to PHP powered pages with MySQL on backend. Soon I will accomplish my first PHP site that someone wants. (yeah!)

    ANYWAYS, back to topic. :)

    Oh yeah, can you send me the word docs?
     
  2. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Well, some people say it is lower than that, but I know that I have been able to tell the difference between 30fps and 50fps very easily.
     
  3. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    What about this? What do you guys have to say about this? Am I right?

    Actually, memory should be fine because the FSB on the P4 3.0 is QUAD-PUMPED, 4 times 200mhz so it should be just fine (right?).
     
  4. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Yeah, im "just" 14 :blush: Both of the web sites I make are "professional"...Im even using Flash :p I want to learn PHP, thast my goal...I dont use HTML, I use Frontpage 2003. Anyways:

    Your zis 100% correct about the FSB/RAM speeds, however as far as this Quad-Pumping stuff goes, I have no idea...AMD,AMD,AMD!!! I sent the word docs btw :cool:
     
  5. JSR

    JSR Banned Posts: 730

    you can run your memory out of sync

    but, it's better to be ...........n'sync..........hehe
     
  6. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    Since there's 4 slots for memory, and say each slot contributed at least 200mhz, then that builds up the 800mhz FSB that the processor has (right?)!

    Actually, if you can prove me wrong, I will start using AMD. But please, don't lie about anything, only factual stuff you know. :cool:
     
  7. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I honestly dont know, but it does make since. But it would not work if they had all 4 ram dimms, running on 1 line, to the CPU. But if each dimm, had its own line, running to the cpu, they would add up to 800mhz. However if it only has 1 line, running from the ram, that line at 200mhz, you'll be squeezing all 4 ram pcbs into that 1 line, staying at 200Mhz. Im calling it a 'line', because I dont know the tech. term :p But seriously, that 3Ghz P4 is just a little cheaper then the 3200+ and the 3200 out does the 3ghz by a chuck ;) go look at some benchies!!
     
  8. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574


    Hehe, no man. You can't "add up" FSB speeds like that. Doesnt work that way.
     
  9. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    AMD WINzZzZz...

    and AMD is the WiNNeR!!!!! Wooooooooooooooo, AMD!

    Heres your P4 sir: :hotouch: + puke: = Intel
    Heres that XP sir: :bounce: + :approve: = AMD

    ;) ;)
     
  10. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    ^^^ Couldn't have said it better myself...
     
  11. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    Ok, now it makes alot of sense why I should by AMD.

    But what other factors also contribute? Memory is the problem with the P4... you can't match it up with the FSB. Any other notes you guys have? Even if it's for or against AMD?
     
     
  12. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    On an off subject note, man, I am glad you changed your avatar and signature :)
     
  13. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I do like that sig alot more, and just like it in general. yeah P4s FSB speeds are pretty bogus eh...but isnt that why they have 800Mhz RDRAM? :confused:
     
  14. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    No no, you don't understand.

    First you need to understand what a Front Side Bus is. It is basically a "network" of very small connections between your processor for example that allow your processor to "communicate" with other components in your system. Especially things such as RAM.

    Understand?

    Your FSB speed can not be higher than what it is. If it is an 800mhz FSB thats all that it can be, although like one of you have said it may be "quad-pumped" (but it is quadpumped from 200mhz)

    Ok so say your RAM has a 333mhz FSB. If you have the 800mhz FSB processor (technically it is quadpumped and is only actually a 200mhz FSB), but your 333mhz RAM actually is only a 166mhz in the same way.

    To understand a FSB you have to think of this in terms of communication speeds between each component. It literally is the speed that information is able to get back and forth from each other.

    Sometimes you get into running a bottleneck because your FSB is not fully utilized. For example if you have SDRAM@133mhz and your processor has a 266mhz FSB then your RAM would only be able to talk to your processor at 133mhz when you could go buy 266mhz RAM and get much better performance because your RAM is able to talk to your processor at much higher speeds. Your processor is able to perform at 266 mhz so it isn't going to like having to slow down to talk to your RAM.

    That P4 has a 800mhz FSB. I am not 100% sure about the 800mhz FSB since it is really a 200mhz FSB quad pumped, so for the specifics of that you would need to ask someone else. Soul Harvester would be good at answering that question. He seems to know a lot more about it than I do.
     
  15. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    I'm having problems at newegg.com when I try looking for heatsinks/fans for socket 462, there aren't any results! I don't understand, but then I search for Thermalright SLK-900-U and it is there and supports Athlon XP 2800+ or higher! WTF!

    Also, if I were to get the Thermalright SLK-900-U, how the heck would I get a fan on that and which fan do I purchase and what would you recommend?
     
  16. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,568   +103

    The fan attaches via metal clips that slide into little holes on the sides of the outer fins of the heatsink as can be seen on my crappy template webpage that I had to use since freeservers don't support external image references :(

    I'm currently using the ThermalTake SmartFan II which can be used with a temperature sensor which allows it to adjust speed depending on the temperature of the CPU core (workload dependant) or use the pot to adjust the speed manually. Quite a nice 80mm fan with good CFM for its speeds... Although with the 900-U you could opt for a 92mm fan which means you can have even more CFM for less RPM, which means quieter and cooler ;)
     
  17. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    What about 120mm lol? My friend did this, I think he was using a volcano too, dunno.
     
  18. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    You can't use a 120mm fan on the SLK-900. The largest size that you can use (without some NICE modding) is a 92mm. I am building another system in a few months and I love the SLK-900. I have it in my current system that I built a few months ago with an 80mm fan. In the new system I am going to use a 92mm fan.

    And yes, they attach by fan clips. The SLK-900 can also be used in Pentium systems not just AMD. The box supplies clips for both Pentium and AMD's.

    Take a look at Thermalright's website for more information on the SLK-900.
    http://www.thermalright.com/slk900.html

    For the high speed system you are using the SLK-900 would work great. It is the best performing heatsink available right now.

    Note that one problem you may come upon is if you want to install a fangrill on the fan that is attached to the SLK-900. This can be a pain to do. I managed to get a fan grill installed on my 80mm fan and finally get it clipped onto the heatsink. It took a lot of work though. Also be very careful when installing this heatsink.

    You HAVE to install this heatsink (on AMD) systems by screws into the motherboard. With P4 systems you can use the fan mount on the motherboards, I think. You MUST be very careful when installing this heatsink or you can very easily crack your processor. Do not apply much pressure to the processor when your tightening the screws. Turn with minimal force and when your are unable to turn it anymore with that small amount of force it may be a good idea to stop right then. Also, make sure you DO use the pads on the processor that are included with the heatsink even though your processor already has the circular pads on it, they are not usually the right height for the SLK-900.
    I got by with not doing it but I am a bit more experienced so trust me, it is better to be safe than sorry.

    Oh and make sure you use thermal paste. Artic Silver III would be a good idea.
     
  19. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Acid, about that pads. I just got a SLK900 today, and it came with a pad. Where do I put the pad during installation? Surely not on the core of the cpu, but where else would it go??
     
  20. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    You mean the small circular pads? Your right. They dont go on the core but they fit on top of the processor.

    (crappy example but here goes)

    ---o--|||||--o----

    say the flat area is the processore, the ||||| is the core. The pads go around the core to provide padding for the heatsink. I think mostly so that the pressure applied to the core by the heatsink is sort of "distributed" around the processor, that way your not applying ALL the pressure to the core. You want enough so that the heatsink is firm against the core but you dont want it so tight against it that you risk cracking the processor. The pads take up some of that pressure.

    I think your processor should already have some of these pads on it when you buy it. Though like I said even if there are already some pads on your processor, you will need to use the ones that come with the SLK-900 anyway. (but leave the pads that are already on the processor where they are).


    Or.. do you mean the square black pad that is on the large X peice?
     
  21. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Well im about to leave now (dont ask peeps, acid knows) and I was talking about what you we're talking about :) However I also dont know what to do with that big large black peice on the "X" shaped thingy, but im having a friend help me install it thats installed a 900 before, so I should be set to go.

    Thanks alot acid ;)
     
  22. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    No problem. If hes installed one before then you should be fine. When I did it I just looked up instructions for it online.

    Good luck.
     
  23. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Sorry for getting off topic like this, but maybe Xtr-X will wanna do it, but is it possible to run your computer, without a fan on the SLK900? (ie: it cools so well, a fan isnt mandatory).
     
  24. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    I think a fan might make it just safe and better off. Ok, the heatsink does it's job but there's no air moving around there. The air can tend to get very, very hot around the processor, especially AMD. A fan is optional but should not be taken lightly.
     
  25. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,040

    Um, anyways, I'm looking for a good, fast, air pushing powerfull, QUIET fan to mount onto this big-assed heat sink.

    Any suggestions?
     
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